different "tops" ???

jameys18 · 09-10-2009, 12:57 PM

I've been looking and looking and i can't find anything that tells how to distinguish the different head color tops.... my engine has silver valve colors with red letting saying 16 valve supercharged.... is that a silver top or a red top?

what do you go by the writing color? the intire valve cover color? which is the best? did some only come out in japan? etc etc....

lsgheero · 09-10-2009, 01:16 PM

If yours is supercharged then it would be a red top, however the best way to tell is the count the ribs in the block as the covers can be painted/etc....

IIRC the redtop is a 7 rib block and the blue top is only a 3 rib.

jameys18 · 09-10-2009, 01:27 PM

4a 2548638 is the code on the engine im looking at getting.. what is that? i cant count ribs from the pics

traintech86 · 09-10-2009, 01:36 PM

i have no clue what code that is. if its super charged then you're looking for a 4A-GZE also somewhere around here is a chart... can't find the thread but lets see if i got the pic...

hope it helps and GL with your project!

mr3 · 09-10-2009, 01:42 PM

The bluetop was in 85-86. In 87, the redtop came out. Some of the engines had blue lettering but were still redtop engines. The only way to tell for real is the "ribs" on the engine. The silvertop and blacktop engines were only released in Japan but can be shipped to us in the states but require a few things.

toyotaspeed90 · 09-10-2009, 02:40 PM

it's actually much more complicated in real life than that.... there's a thread on mr2oc about the exact same thing....

but by now, ignore the valve cover colors as they are over 20 years old and possibly painted, swapped, etc....

jameys18 · 09-11-2009, 12:01 AM

well here's the website for the engine i just bought... these pics are of the actual engine... can you guys tell what it is because i cant.

JDM Toyota Corola | MR2 4A GZE '86-90 - 4A Series - Toyota - JDM Engines - JDM Online

traintech86 · 09-11-2009, 12:04 AM

looks like the right engine to me but i never seen the SC engine so not sure

random_tox · 09-11-2009, 01:24 AM

Yeah that's a 4AGZE Supercharged, unfortunately not included in the image of different covers Traintech posted. Yours appears to have the paint removed from the valve covers, or maybe the JDM was a finished raw. On the Supercharged MR2 they letters are black and red (like a red-top) but include "Supercharger" as you can partially see in your images. Pretty sure 4AGZE shares the NA red-top's 7-rib block but I think that's the only compatibility. Not much interchangable from the 4AGZE and any other 4AGE.

More obvious distinctions are the supercharger on the intake side and intercooler on top of the engine. The intercooler is more square in the MR2. Yours appears to be the more rectangular one from a Corolla.

It appears that you are the proud owner of a complete supercharged engine. Be happy. Where are you sticking it?

traintech86 · 09-11-2009, 12:37 PM

but it should fit right? couldn't you swap the cooled from the stock one if it works? or just cut out some more hood >>

random_tox · 09-11-2009, 12:53 PM

You'll have to look around for fit issues putting a the front mount engine into the AW11, but I don't think you'll have any serious problems. It's a common, well documented swap. What are you replacing?

jameys18 · 09-11-2009, 01:08 PM

the 4agze thats in mine. its up for sale if anyone wants to come get it btw... greenwood south carolina. say 600 bucks complete?

traintech86 · 09-11-2009, 01:10 PM

how many miles on it?

random_tox · 09-11-2009, 01:30 PM

If it's in bad enough shape that you are swapping instead of fixing, it may be worth more to you as parts than to sell to some poor schmuck for a few hundred bucks. It will probably be very useful resolving those fit issues, and spare parts (supercharger !) are not a bad thing. I'd keep it.

traintech86 · 09-11-2009, 02:20 PM

i think he is right, you should fix the parts on the old engine to swap incase something breaks.

jameys18 · 09-11-2009, 05:20 PM

if i keep it i'll prob set it back to possibly pair with a 7afe corolla block one day. to make the 1.8 liter

toyotaspeed90 · 09-11-2009, 11:57 PM

looks like a very late ae92 or ae101 4agze.... looks like an e58 and may have LSD.

coilpack, no afm, gray oil dipstick, top mount....

the engine itself will bolt right in no problem (if you use the MR2 mount)... if you want to use that trans then you will need to play with mount.... long ago I put up on mr2oc.com what I was able to put together to make work (using n/a parts and the brackets that came on the E series I had) in an 87 mr2.... I have since swapped the E51 out for a C52.

toyotaspeed90 · 09-11-2009, 11:58 PM

**edit**

all FWD 4agze valve covers came unpainted. Further, photos of the engine show the later s/c as well.

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jameys18 No Skills Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	different "tops" ??? I've been looking and looking and i can't find anything that tells how to distinguish the different head color tops.... my engine has silver valve colors with red letting saying 16 valve supercharged.... is that a silver top or a red top? what do you go by the writing color? the intire valve cover color? which is the best? did some only come out in japan? etc etc....

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random_tox Did you call me 'dude'? Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ewtah Posts: 69 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	If it's in bad enough shape that you are swapping instead of fixing, it may be worth more to you as parts than to sell to some poor schmuck for a few hundred bucks. It will probably be very useful resolving those fit issues, and spare parts (supercharger !) are not a bad thing. I'd keep it. Last edited by random_tox; 09-11-2009 at 01:45 PM.. Reason: i like to

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09-10-2009, 01:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
lsgheero RAR! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 747 Thanks: 9 Thanked 31 Times in 31 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	If yours is supercharged then it would be a red top, however the best way to tell is the count the ribs in the block as the covers can be painted/etc.... IIRC the redtop is a 7 rib block and the blue top is only a 3 rib.

09-10-2009, 01:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
jameys18 No Skills Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	4a 2548638 is the code on the engine im looking at getting.. what is that? i cant count ribs from the pics

09-10-2009, 01:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
traintech86 Cage Fighter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Yokosuka, Kanagawa Japan Posts: 1,799 Thanks: 27 Thanked 47 Times in 43 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	i have no clue what code that is. if its super charged then you're looking for a 4A-GZE also somewhere around here is a chart... can't find the thread but lets see if i got the pic... hope it helps and GL with your project!

09-10-2009, 01:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
mr3 unskilled Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Plymouth Mtg, Pa Posts: 2,406 Thanks: 24 Thanked 98 Times in 93 Posts iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	The bluetop was in 85-86. In 87, the redtop came out. Some of the engines had blue lettering but were still redtop engines. The only way to tell for real is the "ribs" on the engine. The silvertop and blacktop engines were only released in Japan but can be shipped to us in the states but require a few things.

09-10-2009, 02:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
toyotaspeed90 No Skills Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 2,401 Thanks: 0 Thanked 148 Times in 143 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	it's actually much more complicated in real life than that.... there's a thread on mr2oc about the exact same thing.... but by now, ignore the valve cover colors as they are over 20 years old and possibly painted, swapped, etc....

09-11-2009, 12:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
jameys18 No Skills Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	well here's the website for the engine i just bought... these pics are of the actual engine... can you guys tell what it is because i cant. JDM Toyota Corola \| MR2 4A GZE '86-90 - 4A Series - Toyota - JDM Engines - JDM Online

09-11-2009, 12:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
traintech86 Cage Fighter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Yokosuka, Kanagawa Japan Posts: 1,799 Thanks: 27 Thanked 47 Times in 43 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	looks like the right engine to me but i never seen the SC engine so not sure

09-11-2009, 01:24 AM	#9 (permalink)
random_tox Did you call me 'dude'? Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ewtah Posts: 69 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Yeah that's a 4AGZE Supercharged, unfortunately not included in the image of different covers Traintech posted. Yours appears to have the paint removed from the valve covers, or maybe the JDM was a finished raw. On the Supercharged MR2 they letters are black and red (like a red-top) but include "Supercharger" as you can partially see in your images. Pretty sure 4AGZE shares the NA red-top's 7-rib block but I think that's the only compatibility. Not much interchangable from the 4AGZE and any other 4AGE. More obvious distinctions are the supercharger on the intake side and intercooler on top of the engine. The intercooler is more square in the MR2. Yours appears to be the more rectangular one from a Corolla. It appears that you are the proud owner of a complete supercharged engine. Be happy. Where are you sticking it?

09-11-2009, 12:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
traintech86 Cage Fighter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Yokosuka, Kanagawa Japan Posts: 1,799 Thanks: 27 Thanked 47 Times in 43 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	but it should fit right? couldn't you swap the cooled from the stock one if it works? or just cut out some more hood >>

09-11-2009, 12:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
random_tox Did you call me 'dude'? Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ewtah Posts: 69 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	You'll have to look around for fit issues putting a the front mount engine into the AW11, but I don't think you'll have any serious problems. It's a common, well documented swap. What are you replacing?

09-11-2009, 01:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
jameys18 No Skills Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	the 4agze thats in mine. its up for sale if anyone wants to come get it btw... greenwood south carolina. say 600 bucks complete?

09-11-2009, 01:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
traintech86 Cage Fighter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Yokosuka, Kanagawa Japan Posts: 1,799 Thanks: 27 Thanked 47 Times in 43 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	how many miles on it?

09-11-2009, 02:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
traintech86 Cage Fighter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Yokosuka, Kanagawa Japan Posts: 1,799 Thanks: 27 Thanked 47 Times in 43 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	i think he is right, you should fix the parts on the old engine to swap incase something breaks.

09-11-2009, 05:20 PM	#16 (permalink)
jameys18 No Skills Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	if i keep it i'll prob set it back to possibly pair with a 7afe corolla block one day. to make the 1.8 liter

09-11-2009, 11:57 PM	#17 (permalink)
toyotaspeed90 No Skills Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 2,401 Thanks: 0 Thanked 148 Times in 143 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	looks like a very late ae92 or ae101 4agze.... looks like an e58 and may have LSD. coilpack, no afm, gray oil dipstick, top mount.... the engine itself will bolt right in no problem (if you use the MR2 mount)... if you want to use that trans then you will need to play with mount.... long ago I put up on mr2oc.com what I was able to put together to make work (using n/a parts and the brackets that came on the E series I had) in an 87 mr2.... I have since swapped the E51 out for a C52.

09-11-2009, 11:58 PM	#18 (permalink)
toyotaspeed90 No Skills Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 2,401 Thanks: 0 Thanked 148 Times in 143 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	edit all FWD 4agze valve covers came unpainted. Further, photos of the engine show the later s/c as well.