4age just won't run... vid inside

aaron7 · 09-27-2009, 06:43 PM

89 AW11
86 16v
89 harness, ecu, injectors, TPS, etc

OK, we tested everything. Not sure if we tested it all right though lol

There is spark on every plug.
All 4 injectors (and the cold start) are spraying.
Timing is correct (rotor pointing to #1 at TDC)

Here's a vid of all it does (the poof at the end was the #4 injector... the o-ring leaked. Replaced, no leak, but no change in starting):
mr2 :: Movie.flv video by aaron7 - Photobucket

After the vid we pulled the plugs and they were soaked... we left them out to let the engine air out overnight.

mr3 · 09-27-2009, 06:55 PM

Do you have spark?

aaron7 · 09-27-2009, 06:56 PM

yah, said that in the post. All 4 plugs spark.

And if you watch the vid you can see the motor does kinda run.

espguitarist33 · 09-27-2009, 07:00 PM

btw your not supposed to run your starter for more then 15 seconds at a time..and no more then like a minute of on off without a break

aaron7 · 09-27-2009, 07:02 PM

yah well, when you've been working on the thing for 5 hours straight and it won't start... you start to care less. I have a pile of starters anyways lol

espguitarist33 · 09-27-2009, 07:04 PM

just makin sure you know

check for plugged exhaust plugged intake maybe (?) could be running too rich and flooding...leaving wet injectors....ps best way to clean i found is to hit with a blow torch...takes 3 seoncds to dry out

mr3 · 09-27-2009, 07:09 PM

I'm in the same boat with my 20v. I have plenty of spark but it keeps flooding. Hopefully someone chimes in with something that helps you and I can use that to get my car running.

espguitarist33 · 09-27-2009, 07:13 PM

come to think of it...i had my 2001 eclipse with a no start too rich problem

idk if this is aplicable..but it could open some doors?
it has 8 injectors...2 are extra and feed in right after the throttle body...they wire got pinched in the throttlebody and the car wudnt start except in clear flood mode (throttle to the floor and crank) and then died...well i touched them and they were ungodly hot (thankfuly didnt set anyti9ng on fire) and when I unstuck it they were nolonger stuck open and it ran properly

te51levin · 09-27-2009, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaron7

Timing is correct (rotor pointing to #1 at TDC)

But have you actually put a timing light on it while someone cranks it over?

Tried unplugging the cold start injector?

Made sure the AFM is plugged in?

Tried righting the AFM? It's upside down. May not make a difference, but if you haven't proven it will run upside down, it wouldn't hurt.

Made sure you have zero vacuum leaks, and no air leaks between TB and AFM?

Made sure the injector resistor pack is compatible with everything else?

Unplugged all the injectors and tried to run it on propane or starting fluid?

aaron7 · 09-27-2009, 07:57 PM

Haven't used a timing light yet. Thought it had to run before you could do that?

Unplugged the cold start, yes.

AFM is plugged in. Haven't tried flipping it because I didn't think it would keep it from running; just from running well/right.

We've checked and double checked; no vacuum leaks.

Far as I know the injector resistor was just for 85/86. I don't have one on this.

It does fire off starting fluid; yes. Well, brake cleaner... didn't have starting fluid handy.

te51levin · 09-28-2009, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaron7

Haven't used a timing light yet. Thought it had to run before you could do that?

Nope, just has to make spark. You can do it during cranking. You'll want to verify it after you get it running, but at least it'll help you cofnirm that you are in the right neighborhood.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaron7

Far as I know the injector resistor was just for 85/86. I don't have one on this.

Apparently it's '85-'87 that used it.

Benesesso · 09-28-2009, 07:23 PM

Timing sounds WAY retarded.

aaron7 · 09-28-2009, 10:48 PM

Weeeeeeeeeeeel... though we checked it like 3 times... the plug wires were off! Two were reversed.

Motor starts and runs now! Starts hard though... I don't think the cold start is spraying. Gonna hit the junkyard for one.

09-27-2009, 06:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
aaron7 omg jdm Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MA, USA Posts: 121 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	4age just won't run... vid inside 89 AW11 86 16v 89 harness, ecu, injectors, TPS, etc OK, we tested everything. Not sure if we tested it all right though lol There is spark on every plug. All 4 injectors (and the cold start) are spraying. Timing is correct (rotor pointing to #1 at TDC) Here's a vid of all it does (the poof at the end was the #4 injector... the o-ring leaked. Replaced, no leak, but no change in starting): mr2 :: Movie.flv video by aaron7 - Photobucket After the vid we pulled the plugs and they were soaked... we left them out to let the engine air out overnight. Last edited by aaron7; 09-27-2009 at 06:56 PM..

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Benesesso No Skills Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Litchfield Pk, AZ Posts: 37 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Timing sounds WAY retarded. Last edited by Benesesso; 09-28-2009 at 10:18 PM..

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09-27-2009, 06:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
mr3 unskilled Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Plymouth Mtg, Pa Posts: 2,408 Thanks: 24 Thanked 98 Times in 93 Posts iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	Do you have spark?

09-27-2009, 06:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
aaron7 omg jdm Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MA, USA Posts: 121 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	yah, said that in the post. All 4 plugs spark. And if you watch the vid you can see the motor does kinda run.

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espguitarist33 Cage Fighter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: west chester PA Posts: 528 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	btw your not supposed to run your starter for more then 15 seconds at a time..and no more then like a minute of on off without a break

09-27-2009, 07:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
aaron7 omg jdm Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MA, USA Posts: 121 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	yah well, when you've been working on the thing for 5 hours straight and it won't start... you start to care less. I have a pile of starters anyways lol

09-27-2009, 07:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
espguitarist33 Cage Fighter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: west chester PA Posts: 528 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	just makin sure you know check for plugged exhaust plugged intake maybe (?) could be running too rich and flooding...leaving wet injectors....ps best way to clean i found is to hit with a blow torch...takes 3 seoncds to dry out

09-27-2009, 07:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
mr3 unskilled Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Plymouth Mtg, Pa Posts: 2,408 Thanks: 24 Thanked 98 Times in 93 Posts iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	I'm in the same boat with my 20v. I have plenty of spark but it keeps flooding. Hopefully someone chimes in with something that helps you and I can use that to get my car running.

09-27-2009, 07:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
espguitarist33 Cage Fighter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: west chester PA Posts: 528 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	come to think of it...i had my 2001 eclipse with a no start too rich problem idk if this is aplicable..but it could open some doors? it has 8 injectors...2 are extra and feed in right after the throttle body...they wire got pinched in the throttlebody and the car wudnt start except in clear flood mode (throttle to the floor and crank) and then died...well i touched them and they were ungodly hot (thankfuly didnt set anyti9ng on fire) and when I unstuck it they were nolonger stuck open and it ran properly

09-27-2009, 07:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
aaron7 omg jdm Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MA, USA Posts: 121 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Haven't used a timing light yet. Thought it had to run before you could do that? Unplugged the cold start, yes. AFM is plugged in. Haven't tried flipping it because I didn't think it would keep it from running; just from running well/right. We've checked and double checked; no vacuum leaks. Far as I know the injector resistor was just for 85/86. I don't have one on this. It does fire off starting fluid; yes. Well, brake cleaner... didn't have starting fluid handy.

09-28-2009, 10:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
aaron7 omg jdm Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MA, USA Posts: 121 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Weeeeeeeeeeeel... though we checked it like 3 times... the plug wires were off! Two were reversed. Motor starts and runs now! Starts hard though... I don't think the cold start is spraying. Gonna hit the junkyard for one.