clutches

donnyavery · 10-28-2009, 09:14 PM

i was reading that the mk3 mr2 used a 21 spline 215mm clutch disk i was wondering if i could clear the bell housing enough to fit it in a mk1 c50 or 52 does any one have any input or have done this?

scottohno · 11-13-2009, 02:10 AM

im not sure the spline count, but i THINK the 4agze clutch is about that size, however you really dont wanna try to re-engineer the car. theres plenty of people in japan to do that for us

espguitarist33 · 11-13-2009, 03:25 AM

well if the engines are about the same power and the clutches are the same spline and size..i'm pretty sure their the same clutch. I bought my clutch for my slivertop it was a cellica/gze/honda(i think) clutch from exedy, just go by the size, the manufacturers take about 10 engines into ocnsideration if they are the same size clutches and make a product that can withstand the engine range

scottohno · 11-13-2009, 04:17 AM

but if they switched from organic to ceramic it may end up eating up his flywheel. also it may be too thick to disengage. the pressure plate only moves like 1/16" or something like that. you may have problems with it engaging/disengaging if this is true. they should be about the same, but they may not be.

donnyavery · 11-13-2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by scottohno

but if they switched from organic to ceramic it may end up eating up his flywheel. also it may be too thick to disengage. the pressure plate only moves like 1/16" or something like that. you may have problems with it engaging/disengaging if this is true. they should be about the same, but they may not be.

the fly wheel getting eatin is the least of my problems but the the stage 3 act clutch lasted 3 feet (first start at the track) and i payed 350$ for it and it waped out the flywheel anyway

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scottohno im not sure the spline count, but i THINK the 4agze clutch is about that size, however you really dont wanna try to re-engineer the car. theres plenty of people in japan to do that for us

as for re-engineering its two late for that http://www.mr2.com/forums/forced-ind...get-build.html but i was just looking for a cheaper solution i cant afford to keep smoking 350$ clutches+400$ flywheels and with a another kid on the way i got to race very cheap this year or not at all (not at all is not a option)

espguitarist33 · 11-13-2009, 05:43 PM

go a stage 2, i have i think it was act a street disk and the top pressure plate and I love it (in my high horsepower eclipse) I use an exedy stage 1 organic in my mr2, i havnt looked into their 2 and 3 stagers.

donnyavery · 11-13-2009, 08:53 PM

i had a stage act three 6 puck clutch with a Fidanza fly wheel i bean looking into illegal garage clutch but it pretty pricey maybe ill look into exedy thanks for the info

espguitarist33 · 11-13-2009, 11:33 PM

yea dude exedy has some a few "puck" style disks, not my cup of tea. also i THINK they have some kind of dual mass conversion kit, but i cant rember if it was an mr2 i was looking at.

toyotaspeed90 · 11-16-2009, 04:13 PM

you might want to consider putting in an E51.... they also utilize much larger surfaces and splines... I believe you could probably use a 3sgte clutch setup in one. I had a 3 puck TRD Japan racing clutch with TRD Japan pressure plate.... very heavy plate and it was basically an on-off switch.

donnyavery · 11-16-2009, 06:24 PM

i have an e-51 but i cant get axles (or cheap enough) for it fully built (lsd) never even been in my car so i posted it up for sale here like two days ago

scottohno · 11-18-2009, 02:27 AM

hmm. im a fan of exedy too. i see your dilemma. i dont think the 3rd gen would hold any better than a stage 1 aw11 clutch. what kinda power are you pushin out of that thing anyway? and what happened to the clutch that it failed so soon?

donnyavery · 11-18-2009, 05:27 PM

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hmm. im a fan of exedy too. i see your dilemma. i dont think the 3rd gen would hold any better than a stage 1 aw11 clutch. what kinda power are you pushin out of that thing anyway? and what happened to the clutch that it failed so soon?

hp i dont know, at that time the car was on 13psi of boost and 100 wet shot of nitrous
the tree turned green and i dump the clutch the car jumped 3 ft and hit the rev limiter when i took it a part i fone the act clutch shattered all that was left was the center of the disk (the part on the plined ring)

scottohno · 11-18-2009, 10:10 PM

hmmm. sounds like you need a better clutch, or less power... remember, somethings gotta give, and its always the weakest link. is it a street driver or strictly a track car? track car id say get an undampened clutch disc. street... you have less options.

donnyavery · 11-21-2009, 10:24 PM

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hmmm. sounds like you need a better clutch

well i just ordered a stage 3 6 puck act (yes again) but using a stock flywheel and presser plate and well see

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or less power... remember, somethings gotta give,

just got a new turbo less power but more tuque (not really going to help my problem) and if the clutch fries this time ill be giving the car to the crusher

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is it a street driver or strictly a track car? track car id say get an undampened clutch disc. street... you have less options.

it a Saturday street car and my Friday night drag car

toyotaspeed90 · 11-23-2009, 08:28 PM

stock pressure plate isn't going to help... you need something with good clamping force on the pressure plate side.....

donnyavery · 11-24-2009, 06:30 PM

i know but i just dont have the 333$ for the matching act presser plate but the act clutch and stock flywheel and presser plate has to be better then the ebay knock kit (the clutch did show up to day)
http://www.mr2.com/forums/attachment...1&d=1259105398

scottohno · 11-24-2009, 11:33 PM

stock pressure plate will help his cause, but destroy his time. he can mess with it with the stock PP and flywheel in it for awhile... itll give less clamp force so at least it wont blow up...

toyotaspeed90 · 11-25-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by scottohno

stock pressure plate will help his cause, but destroy his time. he can mess with it with the stock PP and flywheel in it for awhile... itll give less clamp force so at least it wont blow up...

no... instead it will just spin the clutch like crazy, causing 1 of 2 problems... (depending on clutch disc material)...

1) is the clutch will fry itself very quickly

2) the flywheel and pressure plate will get eaten down, and/or overheat cuasing cracks

donnyavery · 11-25-2009, 05:41 PM

the guy from act told me it should be better then stock (like 20% not the 40% they clame) but not as good as a full matched act set

scottohno · 11-27-2009, 12:00 PM

bottom line is you will have slippage, if it slips, let off the gas a little and it shouldnt get eaten up too fast.

10-28-2009, 09:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
donnyavery body tech Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: berwick pa 18603 Posts: 663 Thanks: 23 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	clutches i was reading that the mk3 mr2 used a 21 spline 215mm clutch disk i was wondering if i could clear the bell housing enough to fit it in a mk1 c50 or 52 does any one have any input or have done this?

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donnyavery body tech Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: berwick pa 18603 Posts: 663 Thanks: 23 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	i know but i just dont have the 333$ for the matching act presser plate but the act clutch and stock flywheel and presser plate has to be better then the ebay knock kit (the clutch did show up to day) http://www.mr2.com/forums/attachment...1&d=1259105398 Attached Thumbnails

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11-13-2009, 02:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
scottohno control your hose Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fox Lake, IL Posts: 5,100 Thanks: 43 Thanked 93 Times in 83 Posts iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	im not sure the spline count, but i THINK the 4agze clutch is about that size, however you really dont wanna try to re-engineer the car. theres plenty of people in japan to do that for us

11-13-2009, 03:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
espguitarist33 Cage Fighter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: west chester PA Posts: 528 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	well if the engines are about the same power and the clutches are the same spline and size..i'm pretty sure their the same clutch. I bought my clutch for my slivertop it was a cellica/gze/honda(i think) clutch from exedy, just go by the size, the manufacturers take about 10 engines into ocnsideration if they are the same size clutches and make a product that can withstand the engine range

11-13-2009, 04:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
scottohno control your hose Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fox Lake, IL Posts: 5,100 Thanks: 43 Thanked 93 Times in 83 Posts iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	but if they switched from organic to ceramic it may end up eating up his flywheel. also it may be too thick to disengage. the pressure plate only moves like 1/16" or something like that. you may have problems with it engaging/disengaging if this is true. they should be about the same, but they may not be.

11-13-2009, 05:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
espguitarist33 Cage Fighter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: west chester PA Posts: 528 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	go a stage 2, i have i think it was act a street disk and the top pressure plate and I love it (in my high horsepower eclipse) I use an exedy stage 1 organic in my mr2, i havnt looked into their 2 and 3 stagers.

11-13-2009, 08:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
donnyavery body tech Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: berwick pa 18603 Posts: 663 Thanks: 23 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	i had a stage act three 6 puck clutch with a Fidanza fly wheel i bean looking into illegal garage clutch but it pretty pricey maybe ill look into exedy thanks for the info

11-13-2009, 11:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
espguitarist33 Cage Fighter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: west chester PA Posts: 528 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	yea dude exedy has some a few "puck" style disks, not my cup of tea. also i THINK they have some kind of dual mass conversion kit, but i cant rember if it was an mr2 i was looking at.

11-16-2009, 04:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
toyotaspeed90 No Skills Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 2,407 Thanks: 0 Thanked 149 Times in 144 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	you might want to consider putting in an E51.... they also utilize much larger surfaces and splines... I believe you could probably use a 3sgte clutch setup in one. I had a 3 puck TRD Japan racing clutch with TRD Japan pressure plate.... very heavy plate and it was basically an on-off switch.

11-16-2009, 06:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
donnyavery body tech Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: berwick pa 18603 Posts: 663 Thanks: 23 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	i have an e-51 but i cant get axles (or cheap enough) for it fully built (lsd) never even been in my car so i posted it up for sale here like two days ago

11-18-2009, 02:27 AM	#11 (permalink)
scottohno control your hose Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fox Lake, IL Posts: 5,100 Thanks: 43 Thanked 93 Times in 83 Posts iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	hmm. im a fan of exedy too. i see your dilemma. i dont think the 3rd gen would hold any better than a stage 1 aw11 clutch. what kinda power are you pushin out of that thing anyway? and what happened to the clutch that it failed so soon?

11-18-2009, 10:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
scottohno control your hose Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fox Lake, IL Posts: 5,100 Thanks: 43 Thanked 93 Times in 83 Posts iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	hmmm. sounds like you need a better clutch, or less power... remember, somethings gotta give, and its always the weakest link. is it a street driver or strictly a track car? track car id say get an undampened clutch disc. street... you have less options.

11-23-2009, 08:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
toyotaspeed90 No Skills Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 2,407 Thanks: 0 Thanked 149 Times in 144 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	stock pressure plate isn't going to help... you need something with good clamping force on the pressure plate side.....

11-24-2009, 11:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
scottohno control your hose Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fox Lake, IL Posts: 5,100 Thanks: 43 Thanked 93 Times in 83 Posts iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	stock pressure plate will help his cause, but destroy his time. he can mess with it with the stock PP and flywheel in it for awhile... itll give less clamp force so at least it wont blow up...

11-25-2009, 05:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
donnyavery body tech Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: berwick pa 18603 Posts: 663 Thanks: 23 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	the guy from act told me it should be better then stock (like 20% not the 40% they clame) but not as good as a full matched act set

11-27-2009, 12:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
scottohno control your hose Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fox Lake, IL Posts: 5,100 Thanks: 43 Thanked 93 Times in 83 Posts iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	bottom line is you will have slippage, if it slips, let off the gas a little and it shouldnt get eaten up too fast.