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Marz101 · 11-20-2009, 06:09 PM

ah thanks for the advice guys, Im 16 and i live in Washington haha, but i dont want the car to be "cool" or to just drift. Nd even if i were to, i'd want to get a real good feel for the car before i do anything stupid, though your probbably thinking im full crap when i say this but im actually a pretty cautious driver for my age although, i only got like 80 or so of hours in driving so im a pretty new driver i would say.

For me its either a Ford Ranger or MK1 i dont have much money but i have found some good deals for MR2's on craigslist and ive found a couple that are in pretty good shape and i would much prefer a MR2 over the Ford Ranger. Where i live at least it doesnt snow much and when it does it doesnt snow very much or last very long its usually just cold and rainy so its not much of a problem for me. But my friend got a manual Integra and it didnt take him long to master driving it, i kinda figured it'd be the same for me as long as i was careful and knew my stuff about the car. I still really would like to get one, despite the feedback ive gotten so far, I don't know what i should do though.

mattdouken · 11-20-2009, 07:21 PM

What with you just posted, I definitely suggest you don't...your friend mastering a integra is not a feat of any talent, let alone theres no way you can prove or suggest he mastered the car. Also thats him and not you, and its a front engine FWD car....so it does nothing to support you case towards your father for you getting a Mr2. And you with 80 hrs of driving exerience is a big no-no towards owning a Mr2. Here a list of what you should ATLEAST have experienced in a vechicle..

1.Have you ever experienced hydro plaining and corrected it.
2.Experienced snap oversteer and corrected it.
3.Experienced and corrected a spin out.

Also I know you have no experience in driving a mid engine car.
I'm not trying to discourage you on the car you have your heart set on..I'm trying to direct you to a safer choice. Think to yourself about when you get into a accident(wich you will) do you want to be in a car thats made mostly of glass and weighs less than most cars that are on the road. And as for crash testing, well I dont have any numbers but i do know the front end of the car does come off very easily.

Sorry for being on the negative side, But get the truck and get more experience then go to a Mr2..just trying to save you from injury.

Medusa · 11-20-2009, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

Expect frame rust and everything about the car to be tired.

REALLY?...........

I looked at about 7 or 8 MK1 MR2's before getting my 1993. All of them had noticeable frame rust. Some of them were just surface rusted, one was completely eaten through, and the other were somewhere in between. Occasionally you can find a MK1 which had been excellently preserved and is rust-free, but those are uncommon. That's not to say all MK1's are rust boxes either. It's just the nature of a 20-25 year old car.

And especially with OP being in Washington, frame rust is something he'll want to definitely want to be sure to check, and he should be doubly careful about it if he's east of the mountains.

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Originally Posted by espguitarist33

its intresting that i'm seeing all this. last year this was my snow car. It drove better in the snow then both my mystique and eclipse

This is thanks to the mid-engine layout. There is a greater percentage of weight over the rear wheels, which is an advantage over FR cars. FF cars are good for inexperienced or less-skilled drivers in almost all conditions. If you can master the MR handling quirks then it will handle better than most cars in most conditions.

328FTW · 11-21-2009, 06:49 AM

To be honest I don't see the problem in getting an MR2 as a first car if you are a good driver (read responsible). If you are going to drive like a moron then you are going to crash anyway people die in integras, volvos and ford explorers because of stupidity (of both themselves and others) not the car. He could buy a Mercedes and still park it sideways into a tree showing off hell a 1300cc starlet can get you into trouble if you drive it like you are superman.

And fwd rwd it hardly makes a difference as a true newbie because the first reaction in a slide is the brake which regardless will land you in trouble sure power at the rear can cause a slide more easily and it could snap back but at some point no matter what you drive I believe you should learn to drive it at least fairly well anyway be that in a carpark or at a driving course or some other controlled environment where you learn to react to the car by instinct, by the time you think it's too late no matter how much you think you know. And a newbie that knows his limits in a rwd I see as far less likely to bite it than someone that thinks they are hot sh** in a fwd that can't drive at all.

On the flipside the mr2 is a deathtrap in some ways being it has no mass behind it and no airbags or modern safety features, in a big crash you are almost relying on luck and the fact the front folds like an accordion hit a tree sideways showing off and you are probably toast. Other cars mentioned are not perfect either but a pickup at least has mass in a car on car collision. Also maintenance is a big thing on an old car but pick up a clean one with good previous owners and treat it right and you will get plenty of reliable fun out of it. It all comes down to OP if he crashes or picks a bad car it wasn't for lack or warning on potential issues both in handling and repair, just use your head and you should be fine though in the end someone could run a red light and total it anyway so there is a bit of chance in the draw.

Anyway good luck with choosing a car you will hear plenty of opinions from many people you will just have to settle on what you think you can handle and take care of based on what you can gather.

328FTW · 11-21-2009, 06:49 AM

Double post fail

Marz101 · 11-21-2009, 01:08 PM

So thx everyone for the information, I wanted to know a little bit more about the MR2, and I'm starting to think that maybe I'm not ready for one yet.

But if i were to get one would you reccommend me getting the 2nd generation instead, would that make any difference? Cuz i could get a job and easily make payments on it, but like would it be any safer? becuz it weighs almost a ton and a half rather then the first generation which is barely a ton.

Oteck · 11-21-2009, 03:22 PM

pffft snap over steer is driver error and an excuse you tell to your insurance :P

also like others mentioned I also don't recommend you get an mr2 for a first car, it's drives/behaves differently and it needs to be treated w/ respects

mikemike · 11-21-2009, 03:52 PM

ask your dad for a 90-94 Volvo. Preferably a 200,700, or 900 series. Since you live in Washington... Its a snow oriented vehicle w/ rear wheel drive and a automatic rear locker. Not fast by any means but a blast to drive and you have the safety ratings on your side. Parts are a dime a dozen. They are a FR car so the drivetrain is big and simple.

I am the kid who has paid for every car I have owned. Not to say that I wouldn't have loved it if my parents bought me a car. I purchased my first car for $600 off of a girl from school who got a DUI. It's my '64 Chevy Corvair... Tell your dad you want one of these and see how he reacts lol. I have had gfs parents in HS have me drive their personal vehicles to take their daughters out because of the Vair.

If you are capable of picking up auto mechanics, or already have some skills... Buy a mr2 yourself and blow your parents away by doing damn near all of the work yourself.

mikemike · 11-21-2009, 03:55 PM

Here is Betsy. The rims were off of my buddy's H22 Accord, I put em on to piss him off and had to take a pic.

mattdouken · 11-21-2009, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marz101

So thx everyone for the information, I wanted to know a little bit more about the MR2, and I'm starting to think that maybe I'm not ready for one yet.

But if i were to get one would you reccommend me getting the 2nd generation instead, would that make any difference? Cuz i could get a job and easily make payments on it, but like would it be any safer? becuz it weighs almost a ton and a half rather then the first generation which is barely a ton.

Nope, second gens are more prone to "snap" and they require almost as much maintenance as a 1st gen. Yes theres more weight, But theres more glass...lol

Medusa · 11-21-2009, 08:58 PM

^ But, on the flip side, they are slightly more surviveable in a car-on-car collision. And there seems to be somewhat more aftermarket support for MKII's.

But really, the difference between a MKI and a MKII for safety is marginal. MKII just has 500 extra pounds and a driver airbag.

Marz101 · 11-22-2009, 01:23 PM

ok well if i get one, im not looking to do anything crazy with it, all i'd be using it for is for daily drives, like to work or to go to the store or something like that. I also have 2 friends who are really good with cars who said that they'd help me out with fixing it up and upgrading the car and i could get money to buy extra needed parts so maintaince isn't a big problem.

mattdouken · 11-22-2009, 04:11 PM

One word of advice, if you do get one and you start to upgrade it.

Learn to do it yourself and read the board about what does and does not work with the mr2. Because if your friends are gunna help you...this isnt a honda..Ebay parts are a big no no and half a$$ work will destroy your mr2.

Medusa · 11-22-2009, 11:57 PM

^ I agree, very much so in fact.

I would never trust a trained mechanic in a shop to work on my car, let alone untrained friends. Part of this stems from the fact that I am stubborn as hell, part of this stems from the fact that I am in school right now to become a mechanic, and part of this stems from knowing that most kids who say they are good with cars actually suck. Or if they are, it's with rice-bucket honda's (which I wouldn't consider as being "good with cars") or with trucks/muscle cars (because these are so easy to work on that anybody can be good with them).

Either way, they aren't good with MR2's.

mattdouken · 11-23-2009, 12:52 AM

Medusa you do tend do agree with me alot...to bad I dont know anyone personally that shares that.

Medusa · 11-23-2009, 01:11 AM

Haha well I agree with anything that is true, or I believe is right, or shares the same aesthetics with me, etc. Maybe we just have similar tastes.

mattdouken · 11-23-2009, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

Haha well I agree with anything that is true, or I believe is right, or shares the same aesthetics with me, etc. Maybe we just have similar tastes.

We both do have white, t-top, 5spd, N/A, 2nd gen's wishing they were turbo...

Medusa · 11-23-2009, 01:27 AM

Correction: I wish mine was a V6, preferably a 2GR but probably going to be a 1MZ.

I had an idea for a little while about putting a 4-cylinder turbodiesel in the MR2, but it just seems impractical considering I can have the same about of torque and more horsepower with the V6. And the V6 is almost certainly easier than a turbodiesel.

mattdouken · 11-23-2009, 01:58 AM

sorry, Ithought about the V6 swap. but I want 275whp and the turbo is the cheaper way to go to get it. Good luck with the swap though.

328FTW · 11-23-2009, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

Correction: I wish mine was a V6, preferably a 2GR but probably going to be a 1MZ.

Not to threadjack but I like the 3vz more because it does not have some of the mz issues and with a bit of headwork and exhaust work you can make them haul.............I may be biased since I have the thought of a twin turbo stuck in my mind I picked up 2 turbos for $40 soooo

Here have a read of this it has some good info it misses some of the good points of the mz but still has some good info.
MR2 Technical Knowledgebase - Why the 3vz-fe is the best Toyota v6

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11-20-2009, 06:09 PM	#21 (permalink)
Marz101 No Skills Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	ah thanks for the advice guys, Im 16 and i live in Washington haha, but i dont want the car to be "cool" or to just drift. Nd even if i were to, i'd want to get a real good feel for the car before i do anything stupid, though your probbably thinking im full crap when i say this but im actually a pretty cautious driver for my age although, i only got like 80 or so of hours in driving so im a pretty new driver i would say. For me its either a Ford Ranger or MK1 i dont have much money but i have found some good deals for MR2's on craigslist and ive found a couple that are in pretty good shape and i would much prefer a MR2 over the Ford Ranger. Where i live at least it doesnt snow much and when it does it doesnt snow very much or last very long its usually just cold and rainy so its not much of a problem for me. But my friend got a manual Integra and it didnt take him long to master driving it, i kinda figured it'd be the same for me as long as i was careful and knew my stuff about the car. I still really would like to get one, despite the feedback ive gotten so far, I don't know what i should do though.

11-20-2009, 07:21 PM	#22 (permalink)
mattdouken Driver Of The Seven Sea's Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Greensboro,NC Posts: 701 Thanks: 53 Thanked 29 Times in 18 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	What with you just posted, I definitely suggest you don't...your friend mastering a integra is not a feat of any talent, let alone theres no way you can prove or suggest he mastered the car. Also thats him and not you, and its a front engine FWD car....so it does nothing to support you case towards your father for you getting a Mr2. And you with 80 hrs of driving exerience is a big no-no towards owning a Mr2. Here a list of what you should ATLEAST have experienced in a vechicle.. 1.Have you ever experienced hydro plaining and corrected it. 2.Experienced snap oversteer and corrected it. 3.Experienced and corrected a spin out. Also I know you have no experience in driving a mid engine car. I'm not trying to discourage you on the car you have your heart set on..I'm trying to direct you to a safer choice. Think to yourself about when you get into a accident(wich you will) do you want to be in a car thats made mostly of glass and weighs less than most cars that are on the road. And as for crash testing, well I dont have any numbers but i do know the front end of the car does come off very easily. Sorry for being on the negative side, But get the truck and get more experience then go to a Mr2..just trying to save you from injury.

11-21-2009, 06:49 AM	#24 (permalink)
328FTW Crazy Nasty Honey Badger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,235 Thanks: 24 Thanked 266 Times in 239 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	To be honest I don't see the problem in getting an MR2 as a first car if you are a good driver (read responsible). If you are going to drive like a moron then you are going to crash anyway people die in integras, volvos and ford explorers because of stupidity (of both themselves and others) not the car. He could buy a Mercedes and still park it sideways into a tree showing off hell a 1300cc starlet can get you into trouble if you drive it like you are superman. And fwd rwd it hardly makes a difference as a true newbie because the first reaction in a slide is the brake which regardless will land you in trouble sure power at the rear can cause a slide more easily and it could snap back but at some point no matter what you drive I believe you should learn to drive it at least fairly well anyway be that in a carpark or at a driving course or some other controlled environment where you learn to react to the car by instinct, by the time you think it's too late no matter how much you think you know. And a newbie that knows his limits in a rwd I see as far less likely to bite it than someone that thinks they are hot sh** in a fwd that can't drive at all. On the flipside the mr2 is a deathtrap in some ways being it has no mass behind it and no airbags or modern safety features, in a big crash you are almost relying on luck and the fact the front folds like an accordion hit a tree sideways showing off and you are probably toast. Other cars mentioned are not perfect either but a pickup at least has mass in a car on car collision. Also maintenance is a big thing on an old car but pick up a clean one with good previous owners and treat it right and you will get plenty of reliable fun out of it. It all comes down to OP if he crashes or picks a bad car it wasn't for lack or warning on potential issues both in handling and repair, just use your head and you should be fine though in the end someone could run a red light and total it anyway so there is a bit of chance in the draw. Anyway good luck with choosing a car you will hear plenty of opinions from many people you will just have to settle on what you think you can handle and take care of based on what you can gather.

11-21-2009, 06:49 AM	#25 (permalink)
328FTW Crazy Nasty Honey Badger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,235 Thanks: 24 Thanked 266 Times in 239 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Double post fail

11-21-2009, 01:08 PM	#26 (permalink)
Marz101 No Skills Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	So thx everyone for the information, I wanted to know a little bit more about the MR2, and I'm starting to think that maybe I'm not ready for one yet. But if i were to get one would you reccommend me getting the 2nd generation instead, would that make any difference? Cuz i could get a job and easily make payments on it, but like would it be any safer? becuz it weighs almost a ton and a half rather then the first generation which is barely a ton.

11-21-2009, 03:52 PM	#28 (permalink)
mikemike Snap! ...oversteer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Carmichael, CA Posts: 35 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	ask your dad for a 90-94 Volvo. Preferably a 200,700, or 900 series. Since you live in Washington... Its a snow oriented vehicle w/ rear wheel drive and a automatic rear locker. Not fast by any means but a blast to drive and you have the safety ratings on your side. Parts are a dime a dozen. They are a FR car so the drivetrain is big and simple. I am the kid who has paid for every car I have owned. Not to say that I wouldn't have loved it if my parents bought me a car. I purchased my first car for $600 off of a girl from school who got a DUI. It's my '64 Chevy Corvair... Tell your dad you want one of these and see how he reacts lol. I have had gfs parents in HS have me drive their personal vehicles to take their daughters out because of the Vair. If you are capable of picking up auto mechanics, or already have some skills... Buy a mr2 yourself and blow your parents away by doing damn near all of the work yourself.

11-21-2009, 03:55 PM	#29 (permalink)
mikemike Snap! ...oversteer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Carmichael, CA Posts: 35 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Here is Betsy. The rims were off of my buddy's H22 Accord, I put em on to piss him off and had to take a pic.

11-21-2009, 08:58 PM	#31 (permalink)
Medusa HAY GUISE! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 752 Thanks: 9 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	^ But, on the flip side, they are slightly more surviveable in a car-on-car collision. And there seems to be somewhat more aftermarket support for MKII's. But really, the difference between a MKI and a MKII for safety is marginal. MKII just has 500 extra pounds and a driver airbag.

11-22-2009, 01:23 PM	#32 (permalink)
Marz101 No Skills Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	ok well if i get one, im not looking to do anything crazy with it, all i'd be using it for is for daily drives, like to work or to go to the store or something like that. I also have 2 friends who are really good with cars who said that they'd help me out with fixing it up and upgrading the car and i could get money to buy extra needed parts so maintaince isn't a big problem.

11-22-2009, 04:11 PM	#33 (permalink)
mattdouken Driver Of The Seven Sea's Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Greensboro,NC Posts: 701 Thanks: 53 Thanked 29 Times in 18 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	One word of advice, if you do get one and you start to upgrade it. Learn to do it yourself and read the board about what does and does not work with the mr2. Because if your friends are gunna help you...this isnt a honda..Ebay parts are a big no no and half a$$ work will destroy your mr2.

11-22-2009, 11:57 PM	#34 (permalink)
Medusa HAY GUISE! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 752 Thanks: 9 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	^ I agree, very much so in fact. I would never trust a trained mechanic in a shop to work on my car, let alone untrained friends. Part of this stems from the fact that I am stubborn as hell, part of this stems from the fact that I am in school right now to become a mechanic, and part of this stems from knowing that most kids who say they are good with cars actually suck. Or if they are, it's with rice-bucket honda's (which I wouldn't consider as being "good with cars") or with trucks/muscle cars (because these are so easy to work on that anybody can be good with them). Either way, they aren't good with MR2's.

11-23-2009, 12:52 AM	#35 (permalink)
mattdouken Driver Of The Seven Sea's Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Greensboro,NC Posts: 701 Thanks: 53 Thanked 29 Times in 18 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	Medusa you do tend do agree with me alot...to bad I dont know anyone personally that shares that.

11-23-2009, 01:11 AM	#36 (permalink)
Medusa HAY GUISE! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 752 Thanks: 9 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Haha well I agree with anything that is true, or I believe is right, or shares the same aesthetics with me, etc. Maybe we just have similar tastes.

11-23-2009, 01:27 AM	#38 (permalink)
Medusa HAY GUISE! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 752 Thanks: 9 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Correction: I wish mine was a V6, preferably a 2GR but probably going to be a 1MZ. I had an idea for a little while about putting a 4-cylinder turbodiesel in the MR2, but it just seems impractical considering I can have the same about of torque and more horsepower with the V6. And the V6 is almost certainly easier than a turbodiesel.

11-23-2009, 01:58 AM	#39 (permalink)
mattdouken Driver Of The Seven Sea's Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Greensboro,NC Posts: 701 Thanks: 53 Thanked 29 Times in 18 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	sorry, Ithought about the V6 swap. but I want 275whp and the turbo is the cheaper way to go to get it. Good luck with the swap though.