Water Leak, Wet rear floor pan...T-Top, Drain tube?? Help Please!!

[eckoman_pdx]

EDIT: Photobucket screwed up again...trying one more time

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by PHOENIX

would be cool to have this thread updated, or atleast the pictures restored.

Originally Posted by ShackC

I agree with pheonix.

Alright guys, I re-did my account and they all seem to show up now. I've checked from 3 different computers here, cleared cookies and re-checked again. The pictures show up on all them them now, so we should be good

If they keep giving issues, let me know and I'll link to them on imageshack. I have them backed up there just in case.

As for updates, here is one which pretains to t-top alginment procedures. There are 2 types of eccentric guides, as I eluded to in an earlier post. There are the "female" ones I pictured, and the "male" ones which are more known (and a bigger PITA to install).

If you need more adjustment after installing the much easier to install and adjust female ones, the male ones can be had. I can try and get a part number for those if you'd like. The male ones replace the centered lock rods with off centered ones, and you may be able to combined the female and male eccentric guides for a "super eccentric" sort of thing.

The BGB outlines the "T-Top Adjustment" using the male guides, so if you need more after the female ones, it's worth a shot. They do cost more and are more of a pain to install, however.

Also, it's a good idea to re-apply the shin estu grease on the seals periodically.

Anyways, I'll try and get the part numbers for that and post up the correct BGB page in the next few days

Originally Posted by szatyi

In my car (mk2) the front drain hoses are burnt, and the previous owner removed them. I have changed the tubes, but I can't find the place where they should go out from inside. It seems so, that the two sides are different, on the driver side I found a hole that goes out in front of the fusebox and can be seen from outside if you remove the plastic part of the fender. On the passenger side this hole doesn't exist.

Can anybody help me out with a picture or a drawing? Eckoman maybe?

With szatyi's question, I know this was asked awhile ago, but I'll address it anyways. I'm can't remember the exact location of where it exists on the passenger side, but I've found it before while poking around a stripped car. Also, is your car RHD or LHD, since you said driver's side and "fuse box", and the frunk fuse box is on the passenger side here.

Originally Posted by xtonydx

I have had the same problem in my 93T. I pulled both the headliner and the trim pieces covering the rear quarter windows. Low and behold it looks as if my 2 was wrecked (rolled maybe) at some point in its former life. It was put back together and you wouldn't know if from the outside, but from the inside, you can see it wasn't done very well. I found a bunch of styrofoam jammed up in the holes in the metal piece that covers the driver's side rear quarter. Pulled all of the foam out and sure enough, the drain tube was folded over a couple of times and stuffed up in there. I pulled it out and a bunch of nasty sludgy water came pouring out. I re-routed it back to the correct hole in the side vent box, but I have a question:

Where should the tube be routed once it comes out of the drain hole in the T-Top? Does it stay up behind the metal piece around the window? At some point it would have to come out of the metal in order to drop into the side vent. Does it come out of the large hole in the metal piece about half way down, or does it stay above the metal piece and pop out the last hole down? Pictures would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Tony D

xtonydx, there's a hole near the upper backside of the quarter window the hoses exit from. I know that's not much help. I can't take pictures right now, but I'll try and get some at some point since it would be helpful to people.

There is a metal plate which blocks access to the black plastic box the tube drains into. The tube drains into this box and the water exits to the outside through the triangle vents. The hose pops out above the metal plate and drops down behind the metal plate. It goes into the black plastic box beind the netal plate. In the picture below (also in post #14), you can see the 2 brackets with 2 bolt holes each in the picture (upper and lower). The plate bolts to these, and blocks acess to the black plastic box.The holes drops down behind the plate and into the box. It runs along the lines of the quarter panel, and pops out of the near the top and drops down behind the metal plate.

Here's the picture from post 14, thought it doesn't show a view of the area you are taking about. I'll try and get a picture of where it exists the frame near the window at some point.

Originally Posted by 91MR2Turbo

I know you've probably already answered this but my MR2 has leaks as well. It'll leak in through the lights in the ceiling of the car. and just a min ago i took the car for a car wash and it started leaking a bit by/through the speaker on the driver door.

I'd check to see if the window rolling tight enough again the outer belt molding. There is an adjustment in the BGB which outlines how to adjust the window, if that needs to be done. As for the ceiling of the car, I've heard of this a few times, but haven't looked into it much. It has to be getting into the roof area somehow, I've always thought it has to do with the t-tops or their seals, but I could be wrong. If your belt molding in good shape? If it's cracked, or doesn't go tight against the window, water could get in there.

If it's leaking through the speaker in the drivers door, water is getting in there obviously. The door wire loom could have a hole with it letting water in (or it has a lot of water trapped in it which comes out on occasion. They do pack a lot of water sometimes).

You can always do what a lot of body shops do to check for leaks. Remove the interior panel and the plastic covering the inside of the door, close the door, and contort down with a flashlight to look inside. Have a friend hold a hose above the door, and try and see when the water is entering from (they do this a lot with trunks).

As for the roof, what shape are the t-top seals in, and how tightly does the t-top fit against the car? It may need adjustment to fit tighter. You could try the female eccentric guides and/or the male eccentric guides I mentioned above (the BGB mentions these in the "t-top adjustment" process).

Also, do you know if the drain tubes are attached and working? To check the rear, take the interior panels out, and remove the drain tube from the back exit piece it goes into. Check 2 identical cups. Pour some water into the opening of the rear tubes at the t-top, and check that it all drains out into the cup. If the levels are un-equal, something wrong.

The fronts are harder to check. You can't use the cup method, you basically have to dump water into the hole and look under the car to make sure it's all coming out. If the tube isn't ran correct here, water may be able to get trapped in the top area.

I can try and see what I can figure out when I have my dome light and headliner out to re-wrap the headliner in novasuede. That should allow me a good view into the hole above the dome light. However, I wasn't going to tackle that project until spring time.

Also, I just re-upped the pictures, so please check them and if none of them help, post up and I'll see what I can do

[PHOENIX]

Just tackled the eccentric guide mod today and checked my drain tube. This thread was seriously the only reason I got it done in 3 hours rather than 3 days. Awesome thread guys, thanks to all who contributed.

Found lots of things wrong to include a previous owner installing or messing with the drain tubes and were not seated in the rear vent triangle can on both sides, they were just laying in the subframe leaking into my interior.....$%#*$)#@%*@#$%)$.....yeah. Also found that a previous owner tried to install eccentric guides before me. They succeeded however only installed one and it was turned to where it wasn't making any difference....%(@*^)#)%%$@)....whew.....yeah.

Hopefully this will fix my leak problems!

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by PHOENIX

Just tackled the eccentric guide mod today and checked my drain tube. This thread was seriously the only reason I got it done in 3 hours rather than 3 days. Awesome thread guys, thanks to all who contributed.

Found lots of things wrong to include a previous owner installing or messing with the drain tubes and were not seated in the rear vent triangle can on both sides, they were just laying in the subframe leaking into my interior.....$%#*$)#@%*@#$%)$.....yeah. Also found that a previous owner tried to install eccentric guides before me. They succeeded however only installed one and it was turned to where it wasn't making any difference....%(@*^)#)%%$@)....whew.....yeah.

Hopefully this will fix my leak problems!

I'm glad I could be of help, and glad this thread continues to help people

I'm amazed by the stories I've read of where previous owners have had drain tubes draining to. At least I know I didn't have the only MR2 where you got in there, looked at it and thought "what the heck??"

At any rate, I've very glad the you got them put back in the right spot, and that you got the eccentric guides installed (and installed properly at that).

You can also try the Honda Shin-Etsu grease on the t-top seals. It's like the Vaseline trick, as I said on previous page, but it doesn't rot the seals since it's made to re-condition seals. I have a tube of it, if you want to try it next time you're up here. Just reapply it a few times a year. It's under $15, if you decide you want buy a tube from the Honda dealership (which is close rather close by)

[PHOENIX]

Sweet man, I appreciate. I can still see a small gap in my passenger side top on the rear I think it is. Its maybe 2mm but better than the 4-5mm space I had than before. I am going to test it out tomorrow by going for a drive in the rain and hopefully it will be fixed. Next will be the other eccentric guides on the side.

[BlueBlur]

I've been seeing a little leak around my rear driver's side window, and this thread has shown me what to look for. Mine's a sunroof model, BTW. Still has drains to check out, I'm assuming. Thanks, Eckoman.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by BlueBlur

I've been seeing a little leak around my rear driver's side window, and this thread has shown me what to look for. Mine's a sunroof model, BTW. Still has drains to check out, I'm assuming. Thanks, Eckoman.

You are welcome, I am always glad to help!!!

Also, you are correct. Car's with sunroofs do indeed have drain tubes still. Good luck checking it out!!

[BlueBlur]

Finally got around to checking it out and both rear side windows had crumbled seal material. Fixed that as well as put the drain tubes into the vents where they're supposed to be. Whoever painted this car removed the interior completely and didn't re-install it correctly. Problem solved! No more leaks. Anybody expiriencing leaks in this area should remove and reseal the rear quarter windows for good measure while checking their drain tubes out.

[goopi]

Quick question, it says rear on the description. Are the front female guides the same part number too?

Item Number MSRP Core Price Price
6328417030 $2.74 $0.00 $2.14
Roof - Roof - Guide - Rear (type b)
Rear (type b) - W/t-top roof 1991 - 1995

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by goopi

Quick question, it says rear on the description. Are the front female guides the same part number too?

Item Number MSRP Core Price Price
6328417030 $2.74 $0.00 $2.14
Roof - Roof - Guide - Rear (type b)
Rear (type b) - W/t-top roof 1991 - 1995

All 4 eccentric type b female guides are the same. The part number you posted is the correct guides for front and rear. You'll want 4 of those, as there are two guides front and two guides rear on the car.

From there, just install them in the proper position, so the pull the window down tighter or move it in the direction you need (remember, they are off center to allow adjustment).

[goopi]

Thank you, I will let you know how it goes when I receive them.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by goopi

Thank you, I will let you know how it goes when I receive them.

You are very welcome! I hope it works out. Sorry for the late response. I've been busy lately with the start of the term and family issues.

[ArchangelMedic]

I own a 91 na with t-tops and both passenger and driver sides have been leaking like mad in the rain. I'll have to look into the drain tube issue. That and get a hold of that restoring compound for the seals.

[goopi]

Finally arrived! Just snap off the old female guides and snap on the new ones?

[goopi]

hahahhahaha omg I was just about to snap off the old ones and I find that my right side rear one doesn't have a female guide at all!! I think the previous owner managed to take it off when taking the interior plastic apart...

Edit: leaks fixed, Wow these guides helped a lot and they were super cheap!

I get a ton of water dripping still but that is only because my drain tubes are clogged. Basically its like a waterfall back there but only if you point the hose at it horizontally. Rain will never come from an angle like this, so its not too bad. I will replace my drain tubes later when I have time, I can finally drive my car in rain now!

Thanks!

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by goopi

hahahhahaha omg I was just about to snap off the old ones and I find that my right side rear one doesn't have a female guide at all!! I think the previous owner managed to take it off when taking the interior plastic apart...

Edit: leaks fixed, Wow these guides helped a lot and they were super cheap!

I get a ton of water dripping still but that is only because my drain tubes are clogged. Basically its like a waterfall back there but only if you point the hose at it horizontally. Rain will never come from an angle like this, so its not too bad. I will replace my drain tubes later when I have time, I can finally drive my car in rain now!

Thanks!

Glad to hear they worked for you. Those female eccentric guides work really great to fix leaks, and are super cheap.

When it comes time to get the drain tubes, give Aaron @ Lithia a call .

[TAZ]

Originally Posted by Davis

Well I learned something new, never knew there was a draintube in the first place!

^^
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[**MR2**]

It doesn't rain much here in Vegas but I'm hoping that when it does I'm in the clear on the drain tubes as well!!

[te51levin]

Originally Posted by **MR2**

It doesn't rain much here in Vegas but I'm hoping that when it does I'm in the clear on the drain tubes as well!!

Why don't you test it before it rains? All it takes is a garden hose or a pitcher of water, and it beats finding out too late that the drains are clogged.

[MSAGRO]

Originally Posted by eckoman_pdx

Glad to hear they worked for you. Those female eccentric guides work really great to fix leaks, and are super cheap.

When it comes time to get the drain tubes, give Aaron @ Lithia a call .

eckoman, you selling your car? There is an ad in Portland craigslist that looks just like yours

1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo