2ZZGE w/6spd in a MK2 MR2

[guamie]

OK folks I have a 91T and a 91 NA and looking to track prep one of them. I am just asking has anyone put the 2ZZGE w/6spd into a 91/MR2/SW20 chasis? Any hints, tips or help would be appreciated.

[TomsMR2]

no one has because the beams is cheaper, easier, makes more power, and is larger.

[guamie]

Does the BEAMS have a 6 speed? or am I dreaming?...its ok I can take it

[Mark_Dorman]

nope...no 6 speed for the beams. But the six speed gearing isn't made for the beams. I thought the 2zz would be awesome if you could get your MR2 down to around 2000 lbs. For a daily driver...the 2zz would be the balls. But for a highly lightened track car it would be awesome. Most of the people who rip on the 2zz have never driven a Lotus...

[Soo__Fuego]

Originally Posted by Mark_Dorman

Most of the people who rip on the 2zz have never driven a Lotus...

or a quick gts for that matter

[mr220v]

In a mk2, you'd always take a 3sge over a 2zz. Even a gen3 3sge (which can be had for $500) makes the same peak hp, and is stronger off the line. The 2zzge will require motor mount customization, whereas an S series motor will drop in on the 5sfe mounts. A gen3 would be easier, cheaper, and gets you about the same result. For that matter, the beams 3s would be cheaper and easier with a better result. No 6speed for either of them though.

For a mk1, the 2zz is about the best thing you can fit without major motor mount customization, though once again, S series > ZZ or A series.

[conor]

Originally Posted by Mark_Dorman

nope...no 6 speed for the beams. But the six speed gearing isn't made for the beams. I thought the 2zz would be awesome if you could get your MR2 down to around 2000 lbs. For a daily driver...the 2zz would be the balls. But for a highly lightened track car it would be awesome. Most of the people who rip on the 2zz have never driven a Lotus...

The Elise weighs, ohh... about 600-800lbs less than your run of the mill Mk.2 MR2.

I've been in an Elise, I've been in a Corolla XRS.. I wouldn't want that wheezy 4-banger anywhere near a Mk.2 MR2

It would be a neat "look what I can do!" swap, but that's about it. In addition to the torque-less power band, it would have to spend its life working extra hard to move the heavier MR2 around.. and its fuel economy performance (already degraded compared to a 1ZZFE) would suffer even worse.

I briefly toyed with the idea of putting one into one of my Mk.1s, but since a 1MZFE fits in there without hacking anything up (and weighs the same as a 4AGE, ) besides engine mounts... meh!

[guamie]

ok gents thanks for all the info. but a crazy friend of mine who owns a 96 Eclipse GST said why not try an SR20DET from the Sentra or the K20 from the RSX...?...I dunno what do you guys think about those options? Both have 2.0T w/6spd...

[Luni]

Cause we have a 4 cylinder turbo engine thats as good or better than theirs and it FITS properly.

Why try reinventing the wheel when the current one is the perfect size, shape, and offset?

[Servin]

Also the first to second shift is horrendous and will almost always put you out of lift.

Im not opposed to a SR or a K20. But the thing is that it wouldn't cost effective to do. I actually prefer the SR over GTE but again it would cost too much to gain so little. As far as the K20 goes it might be a option down the road as they get older and cheaper. Its a better motor than a BEAMS simply because its newer and has bigger aftermarket. Its good motor for those that want high NA power or a supercharger. But many people would be against it as its Honduh motor and the initial gains would mediocre at best.

So stick with you got and make the best out of it.

[conor]

Originally Posted by guamie

ok gents thanks for all the info. but a crazy friend of mine who owns a 96 Eclipse GST said why not try an SR20DET from the Sentra or the K20 from the RSX...?...I dunno what do you guys think about those options? Both have 2.0T w/6spd...

More "look what I can do!" swaps with no real benefit.

[Mark_Dorman]

You notice I said the 2zz would be fun if you could get the car down to ~2000 lbs. Other than that...yeah it wouldn't have the grunt to move the MKII.

[3sgtepower]

Originally Posted by guamie

ok gents thanks for all the info. but a crazy friend of mine who owns a 96 Eclipse GST said why not try an SR20DET from the Sentra or the K20 from the RSX...?...I dunno what do you guys think about those options? Both have 2.0T w/6spd...

I dont see why you insist so much on having a 6th gear. Ok maybe you might get some minor fuel savings by having an overdrive gear for highway cruising, but thats it, theres little performance benefit from having 6 gears instead of 5.

If your so deadset on having longer gearing for fuel efficiency benefits, you can rebuild your e153 5speed MR2 Turbo transmission and take the final drive gear from either a Toyota Solara or Celica Alltrac and put that in its place giving you a final drive of 3.89 instead of 4.25. Or you can get larger rims.

I dont think your recognizing the fact that the 3sgte is actually a better performer than all the motors you mentioned. SR20's come with weak aluminum blocks, how is that better than the 3sgte's strong iron block that Al Power made 540whp with on stock bottom end?

Same goes with the K20, another weak aluminum block, the only way a K20 can come close to the same power levels as a 3sgte is by sleeving the block with iron as well as modifying almost every other component on the motor.

I think your desire for a motor with a 6speed is misplaced. The 5speed on the Mr2 has easily handled over 500whp and the gearing on it can take the car up to 176mph with just adding some 17inch rims to the rear. Thats not even touching the rev limiter.

[metheores]

I think he just wants a 6spd :/

[guamie]

No gents I'm not dead set on a 6 speed was just curious on options. There are so many MR2's out there that either have the tried and true 3SGTE/BEAMS/V6 was just looking to do something else no one has done... i.e. V8 or until they make more carbon fiber parts for the MKII and put her on a diet... down to say 2200 lbs

[Jevans1137]

Originally Posted by guamie

No gents I'm not dead set on a 6 speed was just curious on options. There are so many MR2's out there that either have the tried and true 3SGTE/BEAMS/V6 was just looking to do something else no one has done... i.e. V8 or until they make more carbon fiber parts for the MKII and put her on a diet... down to say 2200 lbs

the 1uz-fe has ben done,

if you have the time and money and thats what you want do it,
i wont be the only one that would be envious, i like the idea of doing
a swap that is not the norm, you are talking big money and lots of
fabrication, you can try your hand at making your own carbon fiber,
it can't be that much harder than fiberglass,

i am kicking around the thought of a 1vz-fe with a stock ct-26
if the fuel management can be done cheaply.

[ghostrida3]

me personally i woudl stick w/ the 3sgte or v6 swaps they will give you the most bang for your buck vs the ridicoulous amounts of cash for the swaps you want wich wont even net you better power. toyota makes a motor that bolts into the two for almost whatever you want. u want na power-beams. turbo- 3sgte. sick turbo just upgrade the turbo on the 3sgte. sick na- v6 swap. sick engine period- v6 w/ the trd supercharger. w/ these combos you can get almost any powerband, touque range, or max power you want.

if you got the money to spend doin a k swap or sr20 to be "unique" save it and just get a gtr. those are pretty "unique"

[Jevans1137]

Originally Posted by ghostrida3

me personally i woudl stick w/ the 3sgte or v6 swaps they will give you the most bang for your buck vs the ridicoulous amounts of cash for the swaps you want wich wont even net you better power. toyota makes a motor that bolts into the two for almost whatever you want. u want na power-beams. turbo- 3sgte. sick turbo just upgrade the turbo on the 3sgte. sick na- v6 swap. sick engine period- v6 w/ the trd supercharger. w/ these combos you can get almost any powerband, touque range, or max power you want.

if you got the money to spend doin a k swap or sr20 to be "unique" save it and just get a gtr. those are pretty "unique"

Your right, I'd rather have a nice na or mild turbo parked next to an R34
but it nice to have that crazy dream just in case you win the lotto or
something.

I wonder if anyone is making a body kit that is similar to the SARD MC8,
I want those head lights, maybe I'm the one that should invest in the
equipment to do glass or carbon fiber, I love how large the wheel openings
are it looks like you can put some serious tire underneath it, I am going
to try to find out more about it,

And how hard would it be to swap one of those new direct injected V6's
will they still bolt up to the older stick's, and can a V6 swap be ref'd in CA.

[Mark_Dorman]

haha...read some of the 2gr threads in the v6 forum...you'll see all the problems with that.