2KD-FTV

Medusa · 10-23-2009, 05:30 PM

It's a 2.5L Toyota diesel engine that was offered in overseas Hilux's (older Tacoma's, before they were called Tacoma's) It's got over 200 ft-lbs. of torque from 1200 to 3200 RPM or something like that.

Basically, will this engine fit in the engine bay of a MKII? I'm not concerned about what transmissions would bolt up, or suspension, or anything like that. I just want to know if this engine will even fit, period. And if it doesn't, what modifications would need to be made to make it fit?

rotorguy2 · 10-23-2009, 06:09 PM

why the hell do want to put a diesel in a mr2 and don't say mpg.

lucky_charms · 10-23-2009, 06:15 PM

he probably wants it to 1 have a tourqe nd 2 to be different in a world dominated by the same swaps

Medusa · 10-23-2009, 06:43 PM

Because of three reasons primarily.

1)Ridiculous torque. Stock 2KD is over 200 ft.lbs. I'm sure with tuning (no matter what swap I do, I'll run MegaSquirt) I could bump that up to well over 300.

2)Yes, a very very different swap. I kind of like the idea of owning the ONLY diesel mr2. And biodiesel/vegetable oil/other diesel-ish fuel conversions would be easy to do. Depending on how it works out with just normal diesel.

3)Yes, MPG. For the same power out of a diesel engine and a gasoline engine, the diesel will have way better MPG.

It's a win-win-win situation. Power, MPG, unique.

And I love the way a turbo diesel sounds.

Imagine some little honda pulling up next to me at a stop light and revving up to race me, and what does he hear in return? VROOOM VROOOOM and huge belches of black smoke.

Levi_ · 10-23-2009, 07:58 PM

If you have the skills to fabricate all 4 motor mounts, custom transmission adapter, extremely custom wiring, etc.

Then you should have the skills to research and find out the dimensions of the motor and the dimensions of a MKII engine bay.

best of luck!

lucky_charms · 10-23-2009, 08:01 PM

yeah good luck and if u decide to do this swap then post lots of pics so we could see how it would come together

Medusa · 10-23-2009, 08:51 PM

Well I've never seen a 2KD motor with anything to scale it with.

And besides, it was offered in the same vehicle as the 3VZ-E, with the same transmission, so shouldn't the tranny/engine mounts line up? And shouldn't it bolt up to my S54 tranny? Since the 3VZ-E bolts up in our cars, besides one motor mount, shouldn't the 2KD fit in a similar fashion?

And I've already got some basic welding skills and some moderate machining skills.

And the wiring isn't a problem, like I said I'll be running a MegaSquirt so I'm already prepared for very custom wiring.

Levi_ · 10-23-2009, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

Well I've never seen a 2KD motor with anything to scale it with.

SAE papers? Toyota spec sheets? I don't mean actually finding a pic and measuring it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

And besides, it was offered in the same vehicle as the 3VZ-E, with the same transmission, so shouldn't the tranny/engine mounts line up? And shouldn't it bolt up to my S54 tranny? Since the 3VZ-E bolts up in our cars, besides one motor mount, shouldn't the 2KD fit in a similar fashion?

The 3VZ-E has never been put into a mr2

I really don't think this is a good idea, having actually driven diesal cars alot (Lived in Europe for awhile), they are NOT fun,

Looking at the specs of the 2KD-FTV
102 hp (non intercooled)
191.7 ft·lbf (non intercooled)

OR

120 hp(intercooled)
239.85 ft·lbf (intercooled)

Redline of this engine is 4400 RPM

The one good thing is that there is a good chance that this motor will bolt up to a S-54 transmission. But for all the work your putting in a slower motor than your 5s-fe, and thats having to do all the extra work of wiring/custom passenger side mount,etc.

Medusa · 10-24-2009, 03:35 AM

Like I said, I'd be using a standalone (MegaSquirt) so the power would be a lot higher. And I'm already prepared for all the custom wiring. No matter what engine I swap, I'll be doing a lot of wiring anyways.

I also lived in Europe (Germany for three years) and I've ridden in quite a few different diesel cars. I like the idea of having gobs of ridiculous torque, and way better MPG than a gasoline motor.

And the 3VZ-E uses the same block as the 3VZ-FE, right? So the motor mounts will all line up, that's all I'm concerned about. The difference between the heads is irrelevant for this discussion.

I haven't found any spec sheets or anything with measurements of the engine. That's why I asked for help from the forum, my questions tend to get answered very well here. That's one reason I love it here so much, and the fact that most people who populate this forum are pretty chill.

goopi · 10-24-2009, 04:35 AM

Doesn't the 3sgte have around the same amount of torque?

GoBoGo · 10-24-2009, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

Like I said, I'd be using a standalone (MegaSquirt) so the power would be a lot higher. And I'm already prepared for all the custom wiring. No matter what engine I swap, I'll be doing a lot of wiring anyways.

I also lived in Europe (Germany for three years) and I've ridden in quite a few different diesel cars. I like the idea of having gobs of ridiculous torque, and way better MPG than a gasoline motor.

And the 3VZ-E uses the same block as the 3VZ-FE, right? So the motor mounts will all line up, that's all I'm concerned about. The difference between the heads is irrelevant for this discussion.

I haven't found any spec sheets or anything with measurements of the engine. That's why I asked for help from the forum, my questions tend to get answered very well here. That's one reason I love it here so much, and the fact that most people who populate this forum are pretty chill.

I would agree with all the board members on this one but if you really want to be unique and love diesel engines then don't be discouraged by the board members just be prepared for all the expenses of custom work every board member is most likely trying to help you out when they respond to you negatively there just putting time, effort, and mostly money into mind we all wish you luck on this and would love to see pictures if you decide to go this route.

Medusa · 10-24-2009, 02:28 PM

^I'm not taking negative feedback as insult or anything of that sort. I'm basically bouncing my ideas off the board members because no matter how much I think about it, somebody else will always bring up a certain point that I didn't think of.

I love to hear constructive criticism, and I am in no way taking offense to anybody.

Now, to be realistic, I'll probably stick with a v6 swap, but if I get a real chance at it, I would definitely attempt the diesel swap.

traintech86 · 10-25-2009, 04:17 PM

i kinda like the idea, get a tow hitch from the other thread haha. i am not gonna lie, i bought a horn thats sposed to sound like a bigger truck. makes my lil mk1 feel bigger then it is. while i am sure the diesel would be slower, none the less the bamf factor is through the roof. and turbo diesels? if you're gonna do this, keep us informed. i'd love to hear this.

btw is this the engine that top gear tried to destroy with water, fire, a tree, a building, a production office, wrecking ball,and a brick wall? reliability factor would be a plus xD

Medusa · 10-25-2009, 04:20 PM

Well the top gear episode you're referring to was testing a Toyota Hilux, it very well may have had this engine since it was a European version of the truck.

And I think a lot of people on this board are a little unfamiliar with the performance of a well tuned, modern turbo diesel. Has anybody rode in or drove a new Jetta TDI or Golf TDI? They are pretty freaking quick. And yes, the BAMF factor would be through the roof. I'd have to leave my t-tops off all the time...

traintech86 · 10-25-2009, 04:54 PM

well just sayin, if you did this, i would def drive out from cali just to see this behemouth! do it man!

Jason.MZW20 · 10-25-2009, 07:13 PM

You'd probably have more luck with the transverse version of the 2.2L 2AD-FHV, as used in the Verso, and in longitudinal form, the IS220d. Power is decent: 175hp/295lb-ft, and it's a common rail, direct injected design.

The super compact 6 speed EA series transaxle is used in the Verso, but you'll need some custom shift parts to make it work.

mr3 · 10-25-2009, 07:33 PM

How high does that engine rev out too? I'm saying this because if you use the stock transmission and this thing only revs to about 5-6k (I dont know diesels) then you will be going wide open throttle down the highway. It may be good if you dont plan on going on any long trips. It's your car, be unique if you want or go with something that has been proven to work. There are plenty of swaps that seem like they are everywhere but in reality, there are only a few.

Medusa · 10-25-2009, 11:27 PM

Yeah, stock redline is 4400 RPM for the 2KD, I was already thinking about gear ratios.

Amd about the 2AD - That would work too, I just used the 2KD as an example basically. I didn't know about the EA series tranny, I would definitely look into that. The only reason I had mentioned using the stock N/A tranny is so I wouldn't have to deal with wierd half-axle problems.

traintech86 · 10-26-2009, 06:31 PM

something about this idea just gets me all hot and bothered!

Medusa · 10-26-2009, 07:12 PM

The idea of having all that torque is what excites me.

10-23-2009, 05:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 681 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	2KD-FTV It's a 2.5L Toyota diesel engine that was offered in overseas Hilux's (older Tacoma's, before they were called Tacoma's) It's got over 200 ft-lbs. of torque from 1200 to 3200 RPM or something like that. Basically, will this engine fit in the engine bay of a MKII? I'm not concerned about what transmissions would bolt up, or suspension, or anything like that. I just want to know if this engine will even fit, period. And if it doesn't, what modifications would need to be made to make it fit?

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10-23-2009, 06:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
rotorguy2 Some Skills Join Date: May 2009 Location: dover DE from b-more MD Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	why the hell do want to put a diesel in a mr2 and don't say mpg.

10-23-2009, 06:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
lucky_charms custom Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: moving back to tpa fl thank god Posts: 298 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	he probably wants it to 1 have a tourqe nd 2 to be different in a world dominated by the same swaps

10-23-2009, 06:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 681 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Because of three reasons primarily. 1)Ridiculous torque. Stock 2KD is over 200 ft.lbs. I'm sure with tuning (no matter what swap I do, I'll run MegaSquirt) I could bump that up to well over 300. 2)Yes, a very very different swap. I kind of like the idea of owning the ONLY diesel mr2. And biodiesel/vegetable oil/other diesel-ish fuel conversions would be easy to do. Depending on how it works out with just normal diesel. 3)Yes, MPG. For the same power out of a diesel engine and a gasoline engine, the diesel will have way better MPG. It's a win-win-win situation. Power, MPG, unique. And I love the way a turbo diesel sounds. Imagine some little honda pulling up next to me at a stop light and revving up to race me, and what does he hear in return? VROOOM VROOOOM and huge belches of black smoke.

10-23-2009, 07:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
Levi_ Some Skills Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	If you have the skills to fabricate all 4 motor mounts, custom transmission adapter, extremely custom wiring, etc. Then you should have the skills to research and find out the dimensions of the motor and the dimensions of a MKII engine bay. best of luck!

10-23-2009, 08:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
lucky_charms custom Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: moving back to tpa fl thank god Posts: 298 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	yeah good luck and if u decide to do this swap then post lots of pics so we could see how it would come together

10-23-2009, 08:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 681 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Well I've never seen a 2KD motor with anything to scale it with. And besides, it was offered in the same vehicle as the 3VZ-E, with the same transmission, so shouldn't the tranny/engine mounts line up? And shouldn't it bolt up to my S54 tranny? Since the 3VZ-E bolts up in our cars, besides one motor mount, shouldn't the 2KD fit in a similar fashion? And I've already got some basic welding skills and some moderate machining skills. And the wiring isn't a problem, like I said I'll be running a MegaSquirt so I'm already prepared for very custom wiring.

10-24-2009, 03:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 681 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Like I said, I'd be using a standalone (MegaSquirt) so the power would be a lot higher. And I'm already prepared for all the custom wiring. No matter what engine I swap, I'll be doing a lot of wiring anyways. I also lived in Europe (Germany for three years) and I've ridden in quite a few different diesel cars. I like the idea of having gobs of ridiculous torque, and way better MPG than a gasoline motor. And the 3VZ-E uses the same block as the 3VZ-FE, right? So the motor mounts will all line up, that's all I'm concerned about. The difference between the heads is irrelevant for this discussion. I haven't found any spec sheets or anything with measurements of the engine. That's why I asked for help from the forum, my questions tend to get answered very well here. That's one reason I love it here so much, and the fact that most people who populate this forum are pretty chill.

10-24-2009, 04:35 AM	#10 (permalink)
goopi Some Skills Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Surrey, B.C Posts: 83 Thanks: 9 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Doesn't the 3sgte have around the same amount of torque?

10-24-2009, 02:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 681 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	^I'm not taking negative feedback as insult or anything of that sort. I'm basically bouncing my ideas off the board members because no matter how much I think about it, somebody else will always bring up a certain point that I didn't think of. I love to hear constructive criticism, and I am in no way taking offense to anybody. Now, to be realistic, I'll probably stick with a v6 swap, but if I get a real chance at it, I would definitely attempt the diesel swap.

10-25-2009, 04:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
traintech86 Traintech86 on all im's Join Date: May 2009 Location: Norfolk VA Posts: 1,083 Thanks: 24 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	i kinda like the idea, get a tow hitch from the other thread haha. i am not gonna lie, i bought a horn thats sposed to sound like a bigger truck. makes my lil mk1 feel bigger then it is. while i am sure the diesel would be slower, none the less the bamf factor is through the roof. and turbo diesels? if you're gonna do this, keep us informed. i'd love to hear this. btw is this the engine that top gear tried to destroy with water, fire, a tree, a building, a production office, wrecking ball,and a brick wall? reliability factor would be a plus xD

10-25-2009, 04:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 681 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Well the top gear episode you're referring to was testing a Toyota Hilux, it very well may have had this engine since it was a European version of the truck. And I think a lot of people on this board are a little unfamiliar with the performance of a well tuned, modern turbo diesel. Has anybody rode in or drove a new Jetta TDI or Golf TDI? They are pretty freaking quick. And yes, the BAMF factor would be through the roof. I'd have to leave my t-tops off all the time...

10-25-2009, 04:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
traintech86 Traintech86 on all im's Join Date: May 2009 Location: Norfolk VA Posts: 1,083 Thanks: 24 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	well just sayin, if you did this, i would def drive out from cali just to see this behemouth! do it man!

10-25-2009, 07:13 PM	#16 (permalink)
Jason.MZW20 Torque Me!!! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Victorville, CA Posts: 948 Thanks: 12 Thanked 76 Times in 67 Posts Blog Entries: 6 iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	You'd probably have more luck with the transverse version of the 2.2L 2AD-FHV, as used in the Verso, and in longitudinal form, the IS220d. Power is decent: 175hp/295lb-ft, and it's a common rail, direct injected design. The super compact 6 speed EA series transaxle is used in the Verso, but you'll need some custom shift parts to make it work.

10-25-2009, 07:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
mr3 Cage Fighter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Plymouth Mtg, Pa Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 19 Thanked 35 Times in 33 Posts iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	How high does that engine rev out too? I'm saying this because if you use the stock transmission and this thing only revs to about 5-6k (I dont know diesels) then you will be going wide open throttle down the highway. It may be good if you dont plan on going on any long trips. It's your car, be unique if you want or go with something that has been proven to work. There are plenty of swaps that seem like they are everywhere but in reality, there are only a few.

10-25-2009, 11:27 PM	#18 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 681 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Yeah, stock redline is 4400 RPM for the 2KD, I was already thinking about gear ratios. Amd about the 2AD - That would work too, I just used the 2KD as an example basically. I didn't know about the EA series tranny, I would definitely look into that. The only reason I had mentioned using the stock N/A tranny is so I wouldn't have to deal with wierd half-axle problems.

10-26-2009, 06:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
traintech86 Traintech86 on all im's Join Date: May 2009 Location: Norfolk VA Posts: 1,083 Thanks: 24 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	something about this idea just gets me all hot and bothered!

10-26-2009, 07:12 PM	#20 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 681 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	The idea of having all that torque is what excites me.