Coilovers

Medusa · 11-04-2009, 08:33 PM

I've already searched the forum and I can't really find the information I'm looking for.

What coilover brand/set/etc. is going to be the best for a track car? I know many coilovers are adjustable, but spring rates themselves aren't. I'm looking for whatever coilovers are on the stiffer end of the spring rate spectrum for our cars.

I know EMSpowered has the KW coilovers, but from what I read they aren't the best for a track only car. Does anybody know the spring rates for Megan Racing, Cusco, Tein, Buddy Club, etc. coilovers?

kbrew8991 · 11-04-2009, 08:54 PM

of what you listed, KW is the best... tough to beat without making something yourself out of Koni components really.

Medusa · 11-04-2009, 08:59 PM

For track use?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbrew8991

K-Sports are probably fine for driving around.. maybe.

for track or competition use KW is the bottom of the line that I'd consider

kbrew8991 · 11-04-2009, 09:03 PM

yeah - definitely has the best damper quality. If the spring rates they come with are too low / wrong its not hard to find different ones - half the advantage to going to coilover for track use is commonly interchangeable springs

if you can find more info out there on what kind of spring rate range they'll work with I'd appreciate seeing it... thats one of the few things that has me hung up on getting them.

kbrew8991 · 11-04-2009, 09:09 PM

I'll put it another way - the only off-the-shelf coilover setup I've seen on any successful time attack MR2 was KW

Medusa · 11-04-2009, 09:22 PM

KW seems to be really tight on letting out info about their coilovers! I can't find any spring rates for the MR2 set. The Cadillac set is too soft apparently, and the BMW set is too soft for track use too. So this makes me believe that the MR2 set will be too soft also.

How expensive is it to get new springs for a coilover?

kbrew8991 · 11-04-2009, 09:25 PM

see if you can find out what size spring it is (2.25", 2.5", or __ mm)

I've seen them at $50ish a pair iirc

springs are the easy piece to fix, damper quality is very tough...

Medusa · 11-04-2009, 09:26 PM

The BMW thing I mentioned was some Berk-sponsored BMW racecar. They didn't re-valve the KW shocks, they only got new springs for it.

And hell, $50 a pair is nothing. I'd be paying over a grand for the KW's, another $100 is nothing compared to that.

kbrew8991 · 11-04-2009, 09:49 PM

Berk seemed to have the most knowledge from their SW20 car... wonder what they still remember

baktasht · 11-04-2009, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

I've already searched the forum and I can't really find the information I'm looking for.

What coilover brand/set/etc. is going to be the best for a track car? I know many coilovers are adjustable, but spring rates themselves aren't. I'm looking for whatever coilovers are on the stiffer end of the spring rate spectrum for our cars.

I know EMSpowered has the KW coilovers, but from what I read they aren't the best for a track only car. Does anybody know the spring rates for Megan Racing, Cusco, Tein, Buddy Club, etc. coilovers?

We actually carry KSport coilovers. Not KW. Stay away from Tein & Megan Racing.

Medusa · 11-13-2009, 07:22 PM

Oops, sorry Baktasht.

And again, what I've heard is that Tein and Megan Racing are both not too great. But this is advice coming from applications on other cars. So it can be hard to tell.

IDon'tKnow · 11-13-2009, 07:57 PM

I would say go with K-Sport, they are purpose built race parts..... Also, your spring rate question isn't particularly important because wherever you buy them you will need to have them special ordered and K-Sport will put whichever spring you like on them. I've never ordered them, but I had them priced a couple times and the guy told me he could order them in just about any spring rate I needed.

On most of their models the lower mount is adjustable so you don't lose suspension travel when you lower the car.

A buddy of my had them on a RHD EF9 and when you raised the car up into the air the suspension didn't allow the wheel to sag, which I thought was interesting.

baktasht · 11-13-2009, 08:19 PM

^^^^ Yup, we can order them with various spring rates. They are actually great coilovers, people don't give them enough credit. They also have several lines of coilovers specialized for various types of racing, not just the Kontrol Pro that everyone usually gets.

Medusa · 11-17-2009, 01:38 AM

Oh really? Baktasht, you have been PM'd.

devind56 · 11-17-2009, 01:45 AM

i know im probably gonna hear some **** for this... but i am a tester for D2 and im sure no one in here has even heard or seen anything on them for the 2 but so far so SICK lol... havent got alot of track time on them cuz im still breaking but ride is sick did some luanch testing...

Medusa · 11-17-2009, 01:53 AM

Would you care to elaborate? How do they feel in comparison to stock suspension and other coilovers? Predictability, dampening force, stiffness, etc?

devind56 · 11-17-2009, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

Would you care to elaborate? How do they feel in comparison to stock suspension and other coilovers? Predictability, dampening force, stiffness, etc?

lol... compared to a stock setup or pretty stock meaning bunch of bull**** with springs and cheap shocks or even stock... its not even a comparision.... but taking into consideration im also not draging a 350hp or less car more in the low 10 9 range... and they r sick... the rear end almost turn full out out the whole is perfect soft enough and and dampened to take the luanch with out pulling the front up really bad and getting out of controll... i have not been able to go all out yet but i will let u know.... but like i said they are an very serious company just dealing with suspension and brakes mostly focusing on coilovers.... its not some bull**** wanna be tuner street only half ass set up at all

Medusa · 11-17-2009, 02:01 AM

Oh, you're drag racing your MR2?

I'm looking more into autocross/ possible road course racing.

devind56 · 11-17-2009, 02:02 AM

easiest way to compare it is... stock like a cheap ass 100$ coilover adjustable kit... to a professional complete race set up.... but im also along with all the goodies... but even on a stock suspension set up would be like a different car... as soon as i can start htting it harder... ill put up all the 60' dont worry

devind56 · 11-17-2009, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

Oh, you're drag racing your MR2?

I'm looking more into autocross/ possible road course racing.

they actually specialize in that feild... they are just getting into the drag racing... check them out... when u see the site and how professional and knowledgable they are you will see they are not some bull**** company... they are very serious and have very serious cars

11-04-2009, 08:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 627 Thanks: 9 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Coilovers I've already searched the forum and I can't really find the information I'm looking for. What coilover brand/set/etc. is going to be the best for a track car? I know many coilovers are adjustable, but spring rates themselves aren't. I'm looking for whatever coilovers are on the stiffer end of the spring rate spectrum for our cars. I know EMSpowered has the KW coilovers, but from what I read they aren't the best for a track only car. Does anybody know the spring rates for Megan Racing, Cusco, Tein, Buddy Club, etc. coilovers?

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11-04-2009, 08:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
kbrew8991 gimme some turns Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,415 Thanks: 60 Thanked 73 Times in 63 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	of what you listed, KW is the best... tough to beat without making something yourself out of Koni components really.

11-04-2009, 09:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
kbrew8991 gimme some turns Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,415 Thanks: 60 Thanked 73 Times in 63 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	yeah - definitely has the best damper quality. If the spring rates they come with are too low / wrong its not hard to find different ones - half the advantage to going to coilover for track use is commonly interchangeable springs if you can find more info out there on what kind of spring rate range they'll work with I'd appreciate seeing it... thats one of the few things that has me hung up on getting them.

11-04-2009, 09:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
kbrew8991 gimme some turns Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,415 Thanks: 60 Thanked 73 Times in 63 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	I'll put it another way - the only off-the-shelf coilover setup I've seen on any successful time attack MR2 was KW

11-04-2009, 09:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 627 Thanks: 9 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	KW seems to be really tight on letting out info about their coilovers! I can't find any spring rates for the MR2 set. The Cadillac set is too soft apparently, and the BMW set is too soft for track use too. So this makes me believe that the MR2 set will be too soft also. How expensive is it to get new springs for a coilover?

11-04-2009, 09:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
kbrew8991 gimme some turns Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,415 Thanks: 60 Thanked 73 Times in 63 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	see if you can find out what size spring it is (2.25", 2.5", or __ mm) I've seen them at $50ish a pair iirc springs are the easy piece to fix, damper quality is very tough...

11-04-2009, 09:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 627 Thanks: 9 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	The BMW thing I mentioned was some Berk-sponsored BMW racecar. They didn't re-valve the KW shocks, they only got new springs for it. And hell, $50 a pair is nothing. I'd be paying over a grand for the KW's, another $100 is nothing compared to that.

11-04-2009, 09:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
kbrew8991 gimme some turns Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,415 Thanks: 60 Thanked 73 Times in 63 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Berk seemed to have the most knowledge from their SW20 car... wonder what they still remember

11-13-2009, 07:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 627 Thanks: 9 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Oops, sorry Baktasht. And again, what I've heard is that Tein and Megan Racing are both not too great. But this is advice coming from applications on other cars. So it can be hard to tell.

11-13-2009, 07:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
IDon'tKnow but I can find out. Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 132 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	I would say go with K-Sport, they are purpose built race parts..... Also, your spring rate question isn't particularly important because wherever you buy them you will need to have them special ordered and K-Sport will put whichever spring you like on them. I've never ordered them, but I had them priced a couple times and the guy told me he could order them in just about any spring rate I needed. On most of their models the lower mount is adjustable so you don't lose suspension travel when you lower the car. A buddy of my had them on a RHD EF9 and when you raised the car up into the air the suspension didn't allow the wheel to sag, which I thought was interesting.

11-13-2009, 08:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
baktasht EMSPowered.com Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,665 Thanks: 19 Thanked 133 Times in 118 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (41/98% )	^^^^ Yup, we can order them with various spring rates. They are actually great coilovers, people don't give them enough credit. They also have several lines of coilovers specialized for various types of racing, not just the Kontrol Pro that everyone usually gets.

11-17-2009, 01:38 AM	#14 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 627 Thanks: 9 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Oh really? Baktasht, you have been PM'd.

11-17-2009, 01:45 AM	#15 (permalink)
devind56 kind of a big deal Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: central and south florida Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	i know im probably gonna hear some **** for this... but i am a tester for D2 and im sure no one in here has even heard or seen anything on them for the 2 but so far so SICK lol... havent got alot of track time on them cuz im still breaking but ride is sick did some luanch testing...

11-17-2009, 01:53 AM	#16 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 627 Thanks: 9 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Would you care to elaborate? How do they feel in comparison to stock suspension and other coilovers? Predictability, dampening force, stiffness, etc?

11-17-2009, 02:01 AM	#18 (permalink)
Medusa Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 627 Thanks: 9 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Oh, you're drag racing your MR2? I'm looking more into autocross/ possible road course racing.

11-17-2009, 02:02 AM	#19 (permalink)
devind56 kind of a big deal Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: central and south florida Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	easiest way to compare it is... stock like a cheap ass 100$ coilover adjustable kit... to a professional complete race set up.... but im also along with all the goodies... but even on a stock suspension set up would be like a different car... as soon as i can start htting it harder... ill put up all the 60' dont worry