3VZFE vs 5VZFE... Debate!!! - Page 2

conor · 08-08-2007, 11:42 AM

^^^ haha, see.. 5VZs are great if you're going balls-out

- 3VZ/1MZ for a straightforward, simple, inexpensive swap. They bolt up the easiest because they were designed for a FWD car. Everything clears/fits with minimal fuss.
- 5VZ for big-power builds. Doesn't fit as well because it was designed for use in a F-R pickup truck.

Weasy2k · 08-08-2007, 06:57 PM

Dont get me wrong...a ems and cams will get the 5vz to rev as high as the 3vz and put out more power...some other quick mods will get you more power then all the v6's n/a ....

DrWonderEyes · 08-09-2007, 09:34 AM

what about the 2GR-FE

johnny g · 08-09-2007, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrWonderEyes

what about the 2GR-FE

That's a nice lump, but it's a newer generation really than what we're discussing here isn't it? :P

Weasy2k · 08-09-2007, 10:53 AM

the gr is too much at the moment to really compare it all.

monsters5vz · 08-10-2007, 11:10 PM

I vote for 5vz all the way, 3vz has head problems that was fixed in the 5vz and for those that think the 5vz cant rev up to 8000 rpm you just need to regrind the cam profie, springs retainers rods pistons etc, There are guys in arizona racing them in the desert making over 600hp.

Spektrewing386 · 08-11-2007, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monsters5vz

3vz has head problems that was fixed in the 5vz

what head problems?

trdny · 08-11-2007, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monsters5vz

I vote for 5vz all the way, 3vz has head problems that was fixed in the 5vz and for those that think the 5vz cant rev up to 8000 rpm you just need to regrind the cam profie, springs retainers rods pistons etc, There are guys in arizona racing them in the desert making over 600hp.

You got any links to these guys? Would be interested to see there setups and learn more.

Weasy2k · 08-11-2007, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monsters5vz

I vote for 5vz all the way, 3vz has head problems that was fixed in the 5vz and for those that think the 5vz cant rev up to 8000 rpm you just need to regrind the cam profie, springs retainers rods pistons etc, There are guys in arizona racing them in the desert making over 600hp.

I agree on the power and rev'ability but the 3vz-FE did not have the nasty head problems that the 3vz-E did...and the 3vz-E only had head problems because of cam/header design....stupid stupid toyota...

hmong337 · 08-11-2007, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasy2k

I agree on the power and rev'ability but the 3vz-FE did not have the nasty head problems that the 3vz-E did...and the 3vz-E only had head problems because of cam/header design....stupid stupid toyota...

off topic but i'm curious and have to ask... weasy2k, under your screen name i see "3.4L 10K RPM In the works". You serious?! Have you started undertaking this project? If so, that's

Spektrewing386 · 08-11-2007, 10:41 PM

thats been there for like a year

Weasy2k · 08-12-2007, 03:08 AM

A year in planning...this winter it will come into effect. Gotta put money into my DD Tacoma first...1uz-fe swap into that bad boy.

Toysrme · 08-12-2007, 07:39 PM

if you have the money for raising it's rpm the 5vz-fe.
if not the 3vz-fe. turbo + stock everything 3vz-fe + $80 chinese 12:1fmu = 350bhp
swap to 400cc+ injectors and easily 400bhp+ still no management.

cheap, dirty & not highly optimized but it works.

Dance_Business · 08-13-2007, 02:12 AM

Who has 400 hp and no EMS?
My 5VZ runs great. I had some minor issues that most of you could have diagnosed and fixed in a day or so; I just did not have the skills. I'm learning as I go. I have more pieces to the puzzle waiting and the more I read this thread the more I want to finish mine. I look forward to posting here when I get it done. I do not think, as naive as I am, that there are many V6 swaps that really run out there. I see 70 names at the bottom here, but how many of them drive to work in theirs? Who else autocrosses in a V6?
Someone let me know. I vote 5VZ, again. Not putting anyone's efforts down; I just want to know what happens after the car is built, not what it could do from the engine stand.

Gimpster · 08-13-2007, 02:57 PM

I'm not turbo (right now), so maybe my post doesn't count, but I drive my 1MZ swap into work everyday. Reliable as if it rolled off the Toyota line. I'm not much of an autoX'er and I don't have the money to open track like I used to.

I would love to see an accurate count of running/driving V6 MR2's world-wide too, it has to be < 100-200?, but who knows.

This winter I plan on turbocharging the car, but I also need to finish up my V8 BMW project too. The MR2 runs so darn good and is so fun as it is NA, I might just leave it that way.

I did put a new toy in the trunk though!! Just waiting on some smaller pills to show up. Will be running a 75 shot on it initially.

Weasy2k · 08-13-2007, 03:50 PM

Awesome! Work! We should get the admins here to make a V6 registry :P

hmong337 · 08-13-2007, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasy2k

Awesome! Work! We should get the admins here to make a V6 registry :P

+1 on that idea

Dance_Business · 08-13-2007, 09:18 PM

Well post it up! Come on Admins, how about the World V6 Registry?

D-spec · 08-14-2007, 01:09 AM

I can almost certify there are less than triple digit V6 swaps at the moment. Paul Woods is the god of this swap and is only around 30-40 himself. Coupled with the 20 or so I know of on here (counting actual swaps and motors purchased, not I was thinking...blah blah) A registry would be great though. Needs a good layout

Name Of Member:
Forum Name:
Original MR2 Spec: (year, n/a, turbo, usdm, jdm, manual, auto, mileage)
Engine Choice: (model number, displacement, miles, etc)
Power Mod: (Supercharger, turbo, Nitrous, N/A, pact with satan, etc)
Swap Date:
Swap Performed By: (could be useful if you need to sell one later on if you have a good name like Johnny or Paul that built it)
Miles Driven: (could be updated yearly???)
Maybe a slot for two pics, one of the car, one of the engine bay???

Just some ideas to clunk around.

Weasy2k · 08-14-2007, 01:24 AM

Lookin good guys ill start a new thread in regards to this...

View Poll Results: 3VZFE or 5VZFE
3VZFE	67	54.47%
5VZFE	56	45.53%
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08-08-2007, 06:57 PM	#22 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,895 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 66 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	Dont get me wrong...a ems and cams will get the 5vz to rev as high as the 3vz and put out more power...some other quick mods will get you more power then all the v6's n/a .... __________________ -Johnny @ Sea2Sky Tuning - www.sea2skytuning.com http://www.mr2.com/forums/sea2sky-tu...-out-sale.html

08-12-2007, 07:39 PM	#33 (permalink)
Toysrme Cage Fighter Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 681 Thanks: 4 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts iTrader Rating: (-1/0% )	if you have the money for raising it's rpm the 5vz-fe. if not the 3vz-fe. turbo + stock everything 3vz-fe + $80 chinese 12:1fmu = 350bhp swap to 400cc+ injectors and easily 400bhp+ still no management. cheap, dirty & not highly optimized but it works. Last edited by Toysrme; 08-12-2007 at 07:46 PM.

08-13-2007, 02:12 AM	#34 (permalink)
Dance_Business Mad Dance Skills Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 20 minutes to Graceland Posts: 1,011 Thanks: 78 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Who has 400 hp and no EMS? My 5VZ runs great. I had some minor issues that most of you could have diagnosed and fixed in a day or so; I just did not have the skills. I'm learning as I go. I have more pieces to the puzzle waiting and the more I read this thread the more I want to finish mine. I look forward to posting here when I get it done. I do not think, as naive as I am, that there are many V6 swaps that really run out there. I see 70 names at the bottom here, but how many of them drive to work in theirs? Who else autocrosses in a V6? Someone let me know. I vote 5VZ, again. Not putting anyone's efforts down; I just want to know what happens after the car is built, not what it could do from the engine stand. Last edited by Dance_Business; 08-13-2007 at 02:13 AM. Reason: typo and addition

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08-08-2007, 11:42 AM	#21 (permalink)
conor Lord Anti-Rice Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Roseville, CA Posts: 942 Thanks: 20 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	^^^ haha, see.. 5VZs are great if you're going balls-out - 3VZ/1MZ for a straightforward, simple, inexpensive swap. They bolt up the easiest because they were designed for a FWD car. Everything clears/fits with minimal fuss. - 5VZ for big-power builds. Doesn't fit as well because it was designed for use in a F-R pickup truck.

08-09-2007, 09:34 AM	#23 (permalink)
DrWonderEyes MR2 + 350hp = Fun Join Date: May 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 450 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	what about the 2GR-FE

08-09-2007, 10:53 AM	#25 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,895 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 66 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	the gr is too much at the moment to really compare it all.

08-10-2007, 11:10 PM	#26 (permalink)
monsters5vz No Skills Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I vote for 5vz all the way, 3vz has head problems that was fixed in the 5vz and for those that think the 5vz cant rev up to 8000 rpm you just need to regrind the cam profie, springs retainers rods pistons etc, There are guys in arizona racing them in the desert making over 600hp.

08-11-2007, 10:41 PM	#31 (permalink)
Spektrewing386 Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 684 Thanks: 10 Thanked 26 Times in 24 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	thats been there for like a year

08-12-2007, 03:08 AM	#32 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,895 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 66 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	A year in planning...this winter it will come into effect. Gotta put money into my DD Tacoma first...1uz-fe swap into that bad boy.

08-13-2007, 02:57 PM	#35 (permalink)
Gimpster Cage Fighter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 674 Thanks: 5 Thanked 46 Times in 44 Posts Blog Entries: 2 iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I'm not turbo (right now), so maybe my post doesn't count, but I drive my 1MZ swap into work everyday. Reliable as if it rolled off the Toyota line. I'm not much of an autoX'er and I don't have the money to open track like I used to. I would love to see an accurate count of running/driving V6 MR2's world-wide too, it has to be < 100-200?, but who knows. This winter I plan on turbocharging the car, but I also need to finish up my V8 BMW project too. The MR2 runs so darn good and is so fun as it is NA, I might just leave it that way. I did put a new toy in the trunk though!! Just waiting on some smaller pills to show up. Will be running a 75 shot on it initially.

08-13-2007, 03:50 PM	#36 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,895 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 66 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	Awesome! Work! We should get the admins here to make a V6 registry :P

08-13-2007, 09:18 PM	#38 (permalink)
Dance_Business Mad Dance Skills Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 20 minutes to Graceland Posts: 1,011 Thanks: 78 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Well post it up! Come on Admins, how about the World V6 Registry?

08-14-2007, 01:09 AM	#39 (permalink)
D-spec 3VZGTE..NEMESIS IS COMING Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 426 Thanks: 18 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	I can almost certify there are less than triple digit V6 swaps at the moment. Paul Woods is the god of this swap and is only around 30-40 himself. Coupled with the 20 or so I know of on here (counting actual swaps and motors purchased, not I was thinking...blah blah) A registry would be great though. Needs a good layout Name Of Member: Forum Name: Original MR2 Spec: (year, n/a, turbo, usdm, jdm, manual, auto, mileage) Engine Choice: (model number, displacement, miles, etc) Power Mod: (Supercharger, turbo, Nitrous, N/A, pact with satan, etc) Swap Date: Swap Performed By: (could be useful if you need to sell one later on if you have a good name like Johnny or Paul that built it) Miles Driven: (could be updated yearly???) Maybe a slot for two pics, one of the car, one of the engine bay??? Just some ideas to clunk around.

08-14-2007, 01:24 AM	#40 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,895 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 66 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	Lookin good guys ill start a new thread in regards to this...