How to swap a 2zzge into a Spyder

Sirc · 03-04-2005, 03:59 AM

This is a rough run down on what you'll need to be able to do the 2zzge swap into the Spyder. This is basically what's listed over at Spyderchat.com but I'm just putting it into more understandable words.

First you'll probably want to look at:
http://www.mr2-gr.com/uploads/2ZZwiring.xls

That's a wiring diagram. It'll be very helpful.

Okay what you'll need:

-Cooling System: It's going to be the same one as the 1zzfe. So no worries here, although a bigger radiator wouldn't hurt.

-Wiring: Wiring is SO very simple. It's the same wiring harness that is in the 1zzfe already, just nab three cables from the 2zzge wiring harness (if you got it), and with the stock 1zzfe harness, just add the three wires. Get the one for the VVTL-I oil pressure sensor, and the 2 for the VVTL-I control module. If you don't have them, just go buy some wires and do it yourself. If you have the 2zz ones, you'll have to extend them. There are differences between the '00 and the '02 engine harnesses. The 02 has two pins for the knock sensor and the '00 engines have 1 pin. Get an '00 engine to save you some unecessary grief. The pins on the '02 are different than the pins on the '00. From what I've read it's pin 27 instead of pin 28. This is fixed (if you have the '02 engines) by following the knock sensor pin from both harness plugs and see where they lead. Figure it out and pin it in. There is a plastic cover piece that you have to use over he harness to make it stay still. Two of the three wires are located at the top of the head above the bell housing of the tranny. These two wires is actually the Oil Control Valve, this engages lift basically. The sensor just next to it on the exhaust side will be the oil pressure sensor.

Finish doing everything with the harness before dropping the engine in. The sensor behind the intake manifold will be a whore to get to if you don't have any small asians around to get their hands back there.

-Fuel Pump: Same from the 1zzfe.

-Oil Dipstick tube: You need to use the tube from 1zzfe and fiddle around with it until you make it fit onto the 2zzge. Make sure you do this BEFORE the engine goes in. Use the bracket or don't. It doesn't matter really, but I'd prefer to use the bracket when I do it.

-ECU: Either the 2zzge or a Apex'i Power FC. If you are strapped for cash, get the '00 or '01 ECU because they have a highere Redline.

-Transmission: Please for the love of God and all that is holy... get the 6 speed tranny from the Celica. Have Lilrocket from Spyderchat do your gear selector shaft and it's a simple swap.

-Clutch: Stock one from the 2zzge or If I were you, I'd get an aftermarket one just for giggles.

-Throttle body: This is kind of weird. You'll have to swap the TPS, but with the throttle acutator you have to mess around with the cable and bolt it to the firewall with one of the 1zzfe brackets to make it stay. Fiddle with it until it works. It'll pull from the bottom instead of the top like the 1zzfe.

-Pulleys and Serpentine Belt: Get one one size smaller than the 1zzfe or 1845mm. Along with this, the belt tensioner is the same, so use either one. The AC pulley you need from the 1zzfe. Remove the 2zzge power steering pulley and put in the 1zzfe idler pulley.

-Fuel rail: Swap the fuel rail from the 1zzfe but use the 2zzge injectors. This is very important when it comes to clearance.

-Alternator: The alternators are the same for either one, so use whichever is newest.

-Hoses: All of the 1zzfe hoses fit. Just cap off the ones that aren't needed anymore. From Spyderchat it's these ones:
*The nipple on the pipe near the knock sensor.
*The nipple on the cylinder head near the TB return pipe.
*The nipple closest to the firewall on the TB.
*The big nipple near the big pipe on the side of the engine.
*You can bypass the TB by closing the two TB nipples with a U shaped hose and loop it to the pipe on the block.

-Engine mounts:
Gearbox Mount - 1ZZ
Intake Mount - 1ZZ
Manifold Mount - 1ZZ
Pulley Mount - 2ZZ

The 2zzge bridge mount needs to be drilled out to accept the bolt, it also needs to be slotted to the rear a little bit to make it line up correctly. You'll have to add some sort of spacing underneath to keep the pulley side of the engine from dropping too low. The right engine mount needs to be the 2zzge one or you can fab and mutilate the 1zzfe one to make it work. From what I've read, it's easiest to get the left mount in first, unbolt the right mount then bolt it to the bridge and then mess around with the right mount to get it to sit back in. You'll have to add spacers to the pulley mount because it's a little low. Drill out the hole so it'll accept the 17mm bolt and slot it a little so that the engine sits forward instead of crooked. Put 10mm spacers on the left tranny mount and the engine will sit perfectly in the car.

-Exhaust manifold: This is a toughie. You'll have to realign the thing to make it work. That's the only advice I can really give. Cut at the flange and spot weld it a few centimeters higher, take it to a bench and reweld the thing, dremel it to get rid of any velocity blocks and voila.

-Spark plugs: There is a plastic cover on the 2zzge that goes over the spark plugs, make sure you use it. The 1zzfe doesn't fit.

Things to replace:

While the engine is out, if it's got some miles on it, or if you're a perfectionist, try to replace everything that you would normally replace. Timing chain, belts, rubber hoses, vacuum lines, botox injections, etc.

Something that you SHOULD replace however is this:
http://www.teamcelica.com/tech/installs/liftbolts/

Liftbolts are precious. Get them replaced.

Thanks you guys and good night.

-Chris

NoSirItsAToyota · 03-04-2005, 04:06 AM

Once again you show us that you do in fact have more knowledge than a grapefruit.

Stickied!

Sirc · 03-04-2005, 04:13 AM

That grapefruit and I are butting heads... so far I'm 3 and 0. I wanna see what Mr. Grapefruit can do!

bmerton · 07-05-2005, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoSirItsAToyota

Once again you show us that you do in fact have more knowledge than a grapefruit.

Stickied!

True. Grapefruits cannot cut and paste.

The even shorter version to how to put a 2ZZ and 6 Speed in your Spyder:
Collect about $4,000. Call David (LittleRocket) in Houston. Drop car off. Give David money. Pick car up.

EL PAALO · 07-30-2005, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmerton

True. Grapefruits cannot cut and paste.

The even shorter version to how to put a 2ZZ and 6 Speed in your Spyder:
Collect about $4,000. Call David (LittleRocket) in Houston. Drop car off. Give David money. Pick car up.

That's a nice option.

Does he live anywhere near a Toyota dealership?

Brad Bedell · 09-08-2005, 10:02 AM

I need to add that LittlerocketMKIII and myself have developed a complete "plug & play" kit for the 2zz swap into the spyder. It comes with a stainless steel header, new bridge mount, wiring harness adapter and dipstick tube. Just about anyone who can sling a wrench can do this swap.

You'll have to get with him regarding ordering parts as I do not wish to handle the retail front-end. If interested, Email/PM me and I'll toss you his contact info.

-Brad

Spyderwoman · 06-25-2006, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirc

-Transmission: Please for the love of God and all that is holy... get the 6 speed tranny from the Celica. Have Lilrocket from Spyderchat do your gear selector shaft and it's a simple swap.

How about the 6-speed gearbox in the > 2002 model?

Sirc · 06-25-2006, 07:03 PM

Those are all the Sequential Manual, and you can't really swap a 2zzge into one without a huge amount of cutting, welding and so forth.

canadam · 06-26-2006, 12:11 AM

Actually Chris, in other parts of the world, the Spyder came with a 6 speed manual gear box.

As for your question Spyderwoman, the swap would be direct, assuming you already have a manual transmission car and you're using a transmission from a Spyder. If you'd like to use a 6 speed transaxle from a Corolla/Celica/Matrix/Vibe, you need to machine the shift tab to make it work, as the piece is designed for a front engined vehicle- not mid. These parts might slightly vary in gear ratio, though. Your best bet is to buy a 6 speed transaxle from a crashed Spyder

Sirc · 06-26-2006, 04:14 AM

Sorry, I'm an ethno-centric *******.

P.S. How DARE you addresss me by my first name.

Raptor13x · 06-26-2006, 04:17 AM

Shut up, Chris.

Sirc · 06-26-2006, 04:31 AM

OK Adam and Lil' Jimmy.

SpeedballTrix · 06-26-2006, 08:42 AM

What are the chances of getting an Exige gearbox into a Spyder =P
With some suspension upgrades you'll have yourself a Toyota Exige

Spyderwoman · 06-26-2006, 09:51 AM

Thanks Canadam, I do have the manual 6-speed gearbox, standard in the > 2002 model ZZW30 in this part of the world. So that would make it even easier for me if I want to do the swap.

But your remark makes me think there may be other differences between the US models and mine.

Anyway, at the moment I don't really think about this swap. I wonder if it would be the right choice to make, since a lot of my mileage is done in traffic jams and cruising on the highway to work. I believe Toyota put this engine in because it is good at both sporty and normal driving styles.

I would love some more (bottom) power though for the fun driving tracks.

Sirc · 06-26-2006, 02:10 PM

Well the 2zzge, I think is the perfect motor for that car for everyday driving. You'll still net around 30 mpg or about 10 kilometers per liter and it'll be a blast to drive.

I'm not too sure about the out-of-state transmissions. I'd still suggest getting the Celica 6-speed transmissions as I'm not 100% on the gear ratios and that is what'll bite you in the butt in the end. If the 6-speed euro transmission bolts up to the 2zzge and has good gear ratios, you should be fine.

canadam · 06-26-2006, 09:00 PM

Personally, I think the 2ZZ-GE is a horrible engine to suggest to a person who is looking for more low end power, and spends a lot of time jammed in traffic.

My advice ?

...some have cut the firewall to make the TRD supercharger from a Corolla/Matrix fit. Another consideration is the TTE turbo kit, but you won't see the power increase much in traffic. The good thing about these options is that they won't void your warranty.

homieg9999 · 12-17-2006, 04:56 PM

How much does the 2zz-ge weigh? How does the extra weight effect the handling of the nimble spyder? Obviously you get some extra on-throttle oversteer, but what about turn in, throttle lift oversteer, etc. with that extra hiney-weight.

Lou

Sirc · 12-19-2006, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by homieg9999

How much does the 2zz-ge weigh? How does the extra weight effect the handling of the nimble spyder? Obviously you get some extra on-throttle oversteer, but what about turn in, throttle lift oversteer, etc. with that extra hiney-weight.

Lou

The weight difference can be disregarded, it won't affect it that much for you to even notice.

03-04-2005, 03:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
Sirc Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,967 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	How to swap a 2zzge into a Spyder This is a rough run down on what you'll need to be able to do the 2zzge swap into the Spyder. This is basically what's listed over at Spyderchat.com but I'm just putting it into more understandable words. First you'll probably want to look at: http://www.mr2-gr.com/uploads/2ZZwiring.xls That's a wiring diagram. It'll be very helpful. Okay what you'll need: -Cooling System: It's going to be the same one as the 1zzfe. So no worries here, although a bigger radiator wouldn't hurt. -Wiring: Wiring is SO very simple. It's the same wiring harness that is in the 1zzfe already, just nab three cables from the 2zzge wiring harness (if you got it), and with the stock 1zzfe harness, just add the three wires. Get the one for the VVTL-I oil pressure sensor, and the 2 for the VVTL-I control module. If you don't have them, just go buy some wires and do it yourself. If you have the 2zz ones, you'll have to extend them. There are differences between the '00 and the '02 engine harnesses. The 02 has two pins for the knock sensor and the '00 engines have 1 pin. Get an '00 engine to save you some unecessary grief. The pins on the '02 are different than the pins on the '00. From what I've read it's pin 27 instead of pin 28. This is fixed (if you have the '02 engines) by following the knock sensor pin from both harness plugs and see where they lead. Figure it out and pin it in. There is a plastic cover piece that you have to use over he harness to make it stay still. Two of the three wires are located at the top of the head above the bell housing of the tranny. These two wires is actually the Oil Control Valve, this engages lift basically. The sensor just next to it on the exhaust side will be the oil pressure sensor. Finish doing everything with the harness before dropping the engine in. The sensor behind the intake manifold will be a whore to get to if you don't have any small asians around to get their hands back there. -Fuel Pump: Same from the 1zzfe. -Oil Dipstick tube: You need to use the tube from 1zzfe and fiddle around with it until you make it fit onto the 2zzge. Make sure you do this BEFORE the engine goes in. Use the bracket or don't. It doesn't matter really, but I'd prefer to use the bracket when I do it. -ECU: Either the 2zzge or a Apex'i Power FC. If you are strapped for cash, get the '00 or '01 ECU because they have a highere Redline. -Transmission: Please for the love of God and all that is holy... get the 6 speed tranny from the Celica. Have Lilrocket from Spyderchat do your gear selector shaft and it's a simple swap. -Clutch: Stock one from the 2zzge or If I were you, I'd get an aftermarket one just for giggles. -Throttle body: This is kind of weird. You'll have to swap the TPS, but with the throttle acutator you have to mess around with the cable and bolt it to the firewall with one of the 1zzfe brackets to make it stay. Fiddle with it until it works. It'll pull from the bottom instead of the top like the 1zzfe. -Pulleys and Serpentine Belt: Get one one size smaller than the 1zzfe or 1845mm. Along with this, the belt tensioner is the same, so use either one. The AC pulley you need from the 1zzfe. Remove the 2zzge power steering pulley and put in the 1zzfe idler pulley. -Fuel rail: Swap the fuel rail from the 1zzfe but use the 2zzge injectors. This is very important when it comes to clearance. -Alternator: The alternators are the same for either one, so use whichever is newest. -Hoses: All of the 1zzfe hoses fit. Just cap off the ones that aren't needed anymore. From Spyderchat it's these ones: The nipple on the pipe near the knock sensor. The nipple on the cylinder head near the TB return pipe. The nipple closest to the firewall on the TB. The big nipple near the big pipe on the side of the engine. You can bypass the TB by closing the two TB nipples with a U shaped hose and loop it to the pipe on the block. -Engine mounts: Gearbox Mount - 1ZZ Intake Mount - 1ZZ Manifold Mount - 1ZZ Pulley Mount - 2ZZ The 2zzge bridge mount needs to be drilled out to accept the bolt, it also needs to be slotted to the rear a little bit to make it line up correctly. You'll have to add some sort of spacing underneath to keep the pulley side of the engine from dropping too low. The right engine mount needs to be the 2zzge one or you can fab and mutilate the 1zzfe one to make it work. From what I've read, it's easiest to get the left mount in first, unbolt the right mount then bolt it to the bridge and then mess around with the right mount to get it to sit back in. You'll have to add spacers to the pulley mount because it's a little low. Drill out the hole so it'll accept the 17mm bolt and slot it a little so that the engine sits forward instead of crooked. Put 10mm spacers on the left tranny mount and the engine will sit perfectly in the car. -Exhaust manifold:* This is a toughie. You'll have to realign the thing to make it work. That's the only advice I can really give. Cut at the flange and spot weld it a few centimeters higher, take it to a bench and reweld the thing, dremel it to get rid of any velocity blocks and voila. -Spark plugs: There is a plastic cover on the 2zzge that goes over the spark plugs, make sure you use it. The 1zzfe doesn't fit. Things to replace: While the engine is out, if it's got some miles on it, or if you're a perfectionist, try to replace everything that you would normally replace. Timing chain, belts, rubber hoses, vacuum lines, botox injections, etc. Something that you SHOULD replace however is this: http://www.teamcelica.com/tech/installs/liftbolts/ Liftbolts are precious. Get them replaced. Thanks you guys and good night. -Chris

03-04-2005, 04:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
NoSirItsAToyota Habitual line stepper Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bloomington, MN Posts: 6,253 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Once again you show us that you do in fact have more knowledge than a grapefruit. Stickied! __________________

06-26-2006, 12:11 AM	#9 (permalink)
canadam MidshipExpress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Posts: 9,320 Thanks: 111 Thanked 121 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (28/100% )	Actually Chris, in other parts of the world, the Spyder came with a 6 speed manual gear box. As for your question Spyderwoman, the swap would be direct, assuming you already have a manual transmission car and you're using a transmission from a Spyder. If you'd like to use a 6 speed transaxle from a Corolla/Celica/Matrix/Vibe, you need to machine the shift tab to make it work, as the piece is designed for a front engined vehicle- not mid. These parts might slightly vary in gear ratio, though. Your best bet is to buy a 6 speed transaxle from a crashed Spyder __________________

06-26-2006, 04:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
Sirc Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,967 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Sorry, I'm an ethno-centric ******. P.S. How DARE you addresss me by my first name. Last edited by Sirc; 06-26-2006 at 04:32 AM.*

12-17-2006, 04:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
homieg9999 No Skills Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	2zz-ge effects How much does the 2zz-ge weigh? How does the extra weight effect the handling of the nimble spyder? Obviously you get some extra on-throttle oversteer, but what about turn in, throttle lift oversteer, etc. with that extra hiney-weight. Lou

03-04-2005, 04:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
Sirc Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,967 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	That grapefruit and I are butting heads... so far I'm 3 and 0. I wanna see what Mr. Grapefruit can do!

09-08-2005, 10:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
Brad Bedell V6 MR2 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 324 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (14/100% )	I need to add that LittlerocketMKIII and myself have developed a complete "plug & play" kit for the 2zz swap into the spyder. It comes with a stainless steel header, new bridge mount, wiring harness adapter and dipstick tube. Just about anyone who can sling a wrench can do this swap. You'll have to get with him regarding ordering parts as I do not wish to handle the retail front-end. If interested, Email/PM me and I'll toss you his contact info. -Brad

06-25-2006, 07:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sirc Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,967 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Those are all the Sequential Manual, and you can't really swap a 2zzge into one without a huge amount of cutting, welding and so forth.

06-26-2006, 04:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
Raptor13x Show me your genitals Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 50 miles east of Hell, 2 hours from Climax Posts: 3,590 Thanks: 6 Thanked 35 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Shut up, Chris.

06-26-2006, 04:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
Sirc Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,967 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	OK Adam and Lil' Jimmy.

06-26-2006, 08:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
SpeedballTrix Foul Weather Drifter Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 871 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	What are the chances of getting an Exige gearbox into a Spyder =P With some suspension upgrades you'll have yourself a Toyota Exige

06-26-2006, 09:51 AM	#14 (permalink)
Spyderwoman wet Join Date: May 2006 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Thanks Canadam, I do have the manual 6-speed gearbox, standard in the > 2002 model ZZW30 in this part of the world. So that would make it even easier for me if I want to do the swap. But your remark makes me think there may be other differences between the US models and mine. Anyway, at the moment I don't really think about this swap. I wonder if it would be the right choice to make, since a lot of my mileage is done in traffic jams and cruising on the highway to work. I believe Toyota put this engine in because it is good at both sporty and normal driving styles. I would love some more (bottom) power though for the fun driving tracks.

06-26-2006, 02:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
Sirc Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,967 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Well the 2zzge, I think is the perfect motor for that car for everyday driving. You'll still net around 30 mpg or about 10 kilometers per liter and it'll be a blast to drive. I'm not too sure about the out-of-state transmissions. I'd still suggest getting the Celica 6-speed transmissions as I'm not 100% on the gear ratios and that is what'll bite you in the butt in the end. If the 6-speed euro transmission bolts up to the 2zzge and has good gear ratios, you should be fine.

06-26-2006, 09:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
canadam MidshipExpress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Posts: 9,320 Thanks: 111 Thanked 121 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (28/100% )	Personally, I think the 2ZZ-GE is a horrible engine to suggest to a person who is looking for more low end power, and spends a lot of time jammed in traffic. My advice ? ...some have cut the firewall to make the TRD supercharger from a Corolla/Matrix fit. Another consideration is the TTE turbo kit, but you won't see the power increase much in traffic. The good thing about these options is that they won't void your warranty.

12-19-2006, 07:37 PM	#19 (permalink)
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