3sgte into a mr2 spyder?

[Niko2511]

just wondering if anyone has tried putting the turbo 3sgte into a spyder roadster and if its pretty easy or not? any information would be great.

[Maxuel_SW22_JDM]

I never heard of it, but would be awesome. It should have a great power to weight ratio. Sound interesting.

If u can't the Celica's 2zz would be a good one.

Also there's people that swap a Honda K series in it, I just don't like the idea of a Toyota powered by Honda

[Niko2511]

ya just would like something alot more powerful and turbo motors are way more tunable than na's. savin up to buy the ferrenzo 360 evo kit to convert my mk3 spyder and just dont want a weak engine in it. it would kinda defeat the purpose of having a wannabe ferrari. so im searchin around for ideas right now.....

[Davis]

Turbo the 1zz.

[shimric]

Originally Posted by Levi

Nothing like upsetting a car with amazing balance and handling by tossing in a 450 lb iron block motor and gaining a good 200+ more lbs.

Taken from another thread. He's referring to the monster that is the 3sgte. Turbo 1zz or swap in 2zz

[MGalo]

If you have the $$$'s, anything is possible. Just remember the intake and exhaust sides are opposite the Spyder's, so room might be an issue. Going with 1ZZ FI or 2ZZ swap are "easily doable" as there are many who've done these mods.
Not saying it can't be done, but...

[Niko2511]

so if i just turbo the motor u think it would be a lot better than dropping in the 3sgte? wut about boost? does anyone know how much boost the motor can handle safely if i turbo it?

[lbridges]

I'm pretty sure TTE did a 3SGTE swap, but it is a bit silly given a better choice would be a 2ZZ swap with turbo or SC, or investigate the V-6 swap.

Regarding boost numbers, that by itself is a meaningless measure. Maybe take a look at the MonkeyWrench site.

[albertgunit101]

here are some pics of mr2 spyder with 3sgte motor from speed source meet.

[Justin Credible]

I don't know where you're from, but if you want to keep things legal in the US the 3S-GTE is out, because you cannot legaly swap an older engine into a newer vehicle and still drive on the street.

Odds are no one but enthusiasts would ever notice, but it's something to consider.

[fvillota]

Originally Posted by Justin Credible

I don't know where you're from, but if you want to keep things legal in the US the 3S-GTE is out, because you cannot legaly swap an older engine into a newer vehicle and still drive on the street.

Odds are no one but enthusiasts would ever notice, but it's something to consider.

really?
lol
i didnt know what!

[Mr.Bryan]

Originally Posted by Justin Credible

I don't know where you're from, but if you want to keep things legal in the US the 3S-GTE is out, because you cannot legaly swap an older engine into a newer vehicle and still drive on the street.

Odds are no one but enthusiasts would ever notice, but it's something to consider.

Pretty sure that's a california thing.

Although I hate Illinois, they're emissions laws here are pretty lax.

I do what I want... as long as the car is a 95 or older.


Being that it's an '03, just gotta make it pass a sniffer test.

[lbridges]

Originally Posted by Mr.Bryan

Pretty sure that's a california thing.
...

It may not be enforced, but....The Federal Clean Air Act (for all 50 states) says:

Sec. 203. (a) The following acts and the causing thereof are prohibited─

(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or

(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this title, and where the person knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or put to such use;”

*********** Penalties for violation ***************

SEC. 205. CIVIL PENALTIES.
(a) Violations.─ Any person who violates sections 203(a)(1), 203(a)(4), or 203(a)(5) or any manufacturer or dealer who violates section 203(a)(3)(A) shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $25,000. Any person other than a manufacturer or dealer who violates section 203(a)(3)(A) or any person who violates section 203(a)(3)(B) shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $2,500. Any such violation with respect to paragraph (1),(3)(A), or (4) of section 203(a) shall constitute a separate offense with respect to each motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine. Any such violation with respect to section 203(a)(3)(B) shall constitute a separate offense with respect to each part or component. Any person who violates section 203(a)(2) shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $25,000 per day of violation.

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The above is why many parts have labels that say something like "For off-road use only".

[fvillota]

wow. how lame!

[rotorguy2]

too me that exhaust is full of FAIL. i like the idea of putting a 3s in a spyder yes that just a gay california thing.

[Azul36-ps3]

In my opinion the 2zz is fail. My brother has a celica gt and he has beaten every celica gts so far. No engine mods at all. Even scion tc. He said the gt has about 140hp or 150ish and the gts has 120 at first and 190 after the lift. So its turbo lag, without the turbo. Besides, isn't the 2zz pretty much maxed out before tuning? I don't know much about the 2zz, but my brother is a celica guy, but then again he's 18 =P

[Azul36-ps3]

Blue is a gt, White is gts

YouTube - celica gt vs. celica gts

Heres one

[tstoney82]

i agree with everyone so far. though the 3sgte is a good idea, and is done on most mk3s that professionally race, its not budget worthy or ideal. for a good setup i would consider one of three options depending on the amount of money you are willing to spend and how much time you want to put into it:

1) turbo that 1zz
2) install a 2zz from a celica gts or matrix xrs
3) pray you can find a "3zz" from a destroyed lotus. the new lotus is (from what i have heard) built off of the mk3 platform and tuned to perfection. though it is a lotus motor (as far as the badges on the motor go) it is still an upgraded 2zz.

i would look into the lotus thing if you have the money and the time, but if not, #1 and #2 are your best options.....

[sdavis1090]

Originally Posted by Azul36-ps3

Blue is a gt, White is gts
YouTube - celica gt vs. celica gts

Heres one

lol, read the comments, the owner of the blue GT says he has a 2zz swap

[Levi_]

Originally Posted by tstoney82

i agree with everyone so far. though the 3sgte is a good idea, and is done on most mk3s that professionally race, its not budget worthy or ideal. for a good setup i would consider one of three options depending on the amount of money you are willing to spend and how much time you want to put into it:

Your adding 200+ lbs to the rear end, do you know what that will do the handling characteristics of the car? 30/70 is not a good weight distribution. The spyder is made to be only a handling car so by swapping a 3s your taking away its greatest asset.

If you want to build an all out drag car thats fine but the spyder is a terrible platform for it.

Originally Posted by tstoney82

1) turbo that 1zz
2) install a 2zz from a celica gts or matrix xrs
3) pray you can find a "3zz" from a destroyed lotus. the new lotus is (from what i have heard) built off of the mk3 platform and tuned to perfection. though it is a lotus motor (as far as the badges on the motor go) it is still an upgraded 2zz.

i would look into the lotus thing if you have the money and the time, but if not, #1 and #2 are your best options.....

Toyota ZZ engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 3zz-fe is a 1.6L motor that makes 109 hp...

The lotus elise and exige both use the exact same 2zz-ge as the celica except the lotus ecu is tuned similar to a piggyback in that it designed for maximum performance and it lowers the lift point substantially.

Swapping a 2zz from a elise or celica, it makes no difference.

Not only that, the MR2 Spyder has absolutely nothing to do with Lotus nor has Lotus ever used the chassis or based any car of theirs off of it.

The Evora (new Lotus) uses a 3.5l V6 camry motor, the 2GR-FE

ur dumb