91 5SFE in an 88 MR2 (possible)

SW21T · 11-18-2008, 02:30 AM

swapping a 5sfe in to an 88 mr2 i heard its possible but i want to make sure

Papo J · 11-18-2008, 01:15 PM

Would need the same engine mounts mod as the 3S-GTE, someone local to me has been working on one for a few months.

mr220v · 11-18-2008, 01:35 PM

It's possible, it's been done, but why? The gen2 or gen3 3sge is a much better motor. 165 and 180hp.

SW21T · 11-18-2008, 08:03 PM

no its cuz im selling my 5sfe to a daily driver person so its not going to be used for racing im just making sure so he'll buy it

DrWonderEyes · 11-18-2008, 10:01 PM

ur better of swapping a 7a-fe or a 4age 20valve.

u'd have more power and insane gas mileage

DCKilla · 11-21-2008, 09:59 AM

The use of a 5sfe is possible. The only problems are the mounts and of course wiring. My friend has something in the works that will help with the mounting part of it. I'm not going to say who or how, but be on the look out for that.

PHOENIX · 11-21-2008, 10:29 AM

Swapping the 3S engine into the Mk1 is well known. I wouldn't say too common, but its a popular swap. They call it the mk1.5. Swapping the 5sfe is possible as it uses the same motor mounts. As far as the wiring.......good luck. it has and can be done, but your just going to have to figure it out. Talk to mr220v here on the board, he might be able to help you out. They make custom harnesses and an extremely reasonable price out of your existing harness.

Speed - Source - Shifter Base Bushing Kit

Beau Corso · 11-21-2008, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHOENIX

Swapping the 3S engine into the Mk1 is well known. I wouldn't say too common, but its a popular swap. They call it the mk1.5. Swapping the 5sfe is possible as it uses the same motor mounts. As far as the wiring.......good luck. it has and can be done, but your just going to have to figure it out. Talk to mr220v here on the board, he might be able to help you out. They make custom harnesses and an extremely reasonable price out of your existing harness.

Speed - Source - Shifter Base Bushing Kit

wrong link?

Beau Corso · 11-21-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DrWonderEyes

ur better of swapping a 7a-fe or a 4age 20valve.

u'd have more power and insane gas mileage

hate to break it to ya, but no 7a-fe is going to have more power than a 5sfe. yeah, the 20valve makes good power.... at 7k rpms. insane gas mileage? yeah, if you drive like a grandma.

a 5sfe powered MKI would be a killer auto-x car. buttloads of low end torque, reliable power, EASY to find parts, and pretty well documented power adders.

plus, the 5sfe engines are a dime a dozen. they put them in mr2s, camrys, celicas... surprised they didnt make a truck with that engine.

yeah, so it wont be as fast as a 3sgte MK1.5, but 2x as much fun as a 4age MKI.

mr220v · 11-26-2008, 01:02 PM

^But gen2 3sge's are a dime a dozen as well, they make more power, are cheap, and are simply a better performance motor. If I was going to do this type of swap, I would use this motor at a minimum. I'd use a 20v over a 5s as well. It's an excellent autoX motor. It's not peaky like you might expect. The torque isn't up to a 5s, but the peak power is much better.

If I was in California, I'd just use a 4agze.

DCKilla · 12-04-2008, 09:31 PM

mr220v,

After talking with you the other day I would have to agree. The 5s would not be worth the time or money to do that swap. The 3sge is a much better engine.

tech4america · 12-08-2008, 03:17 PM

of course, better engine and you get rid of mount problems... good for you!

mr2Peak · 12-12-2008, 04:38 PM

sorry double post

mr2Peak · 12-12-2008, 04:38 PM

I have a 5s MK1. Very fun to drive. TQ at 2500rpm is nice coming out of corners.

SW21T · 12-14-2008, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr2Peak

I have a 5s MK1. Very fun to drive. TQ at 2500rpm is nice coming out of corners.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...k/PB140003.jpg

Looks very nice..was it tough??

mr2Peak · 12-15-2008, 04:06 PM

I had Su at Aggressive Performance in san jose do the swap. Same deal as a 3sgte swap but no snail to worry about.

SW21T · 12-15-2008, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr2Peak

I had Su at Aggressive Performance in san jose do the swap. Same deal as a 3sgte swap but no snail to worry about.

no customizations??

mr2Peak · 12-15-2008, 11:37 PM

Suspension mods, yeah. Stock engine, money is better spent elsewhere. Working on the rest of the car for now.
Also I live in the beautiful state of California. The car is getting BAR'd after new year to be completely legal. After that I might do headers to realize the gains of the 2.5 exhaust.

SW21T · 12-15-2008, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr2Peak

Suspension mods, yeah. Stock engine, money is better spent elsewhere. Working on the rest of the car for now.

Oh Nice..Hey i posted another thread asking if anyone knows where to drill the hole for the drain line for the turbo by any chance would you know the place i have kinda of a picture because i measured but Not 100%

mr2Peak · 12-16-2008, 03:54 PM

I have no idea. I'm on the other board and there are quite a few 5sfte's up and running, I'm sure someone could help you.

11-18-2008, 02:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
SW21T 400HP 3rd gen?? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Washington St Posts: 1,853 Thanks: 143 Thanked 32 Times in 30 Posts iTrader Rating: (18/100% )	91 5SFE in an 88 MR2 (possible) swapping a 5sfe in to an 88 mr2 i heard its possible but i want to make sure

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SW21T 400HP 3rd gen?? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Washington St Posts: 1,853 Thanks: 143 Thanked 32 Times in 30 Posts iTrader Rating: (18/100% )	no its cuz im selling my 5sfe to a daily driver person so its not going to be used for racing im just making sure so he'll buy it Last edited by SW21T; 11-18-2008 at 08:05 PM.. Reason: gave wrong response

12-15-2008, 11:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
mr2Peak No Skills Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bay Area Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Suspension mods, yeah. Stock engine, money is better spent elsewhere. Working on the rest of the car for now. Also I live in the beautiful state of California. The car is getting BAR'd after new year to be completely legal. After that I might do headers to realize the gains of the 2.5 exhaust. Last edited by mr2Peak; 12-15-2008 at 11:43 PM..

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11-18-2008, 01:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
Papo J 6SPD GTE Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 591 Thanks: 2 Thanked 50 Times in 49 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Would need the same engine mounts mod as the 3S-GTE, someone local to me has been working on one for a few months.

11-18-2008, 01:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	It's possible, it's been done, but why? The gen2 or gen3 3sge is a much better motor. 165 and 180hp.

11-18-2008, 10:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
DrWonderEyes MR2 + 400hp = Fun Join Date: May 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 780 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	ur better of swapping a 7a-fe or a 4age 20valve. u'd have more power and insane gas mileage

11-21-2008, 09:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
DCKilla Cage Fighter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pearl, MS Posts: 153 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	The use of a 5sfe is possible. The only problems are the mounts and of course wiring. My friend has something in the works that will help with the mounting part of it. I'm not going to say who or how, but be on the look out for that.

11-21-2008, 10:29 AM	#7 (permalink)
PHOENIX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Hiatus....... Posts: 9,266 Thanks: 92 Thanked 292 Times in 224 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (49/100% )	Swapping the 3S engine into the Mk1 is well known. I wouldn't say too common, but its a popular swap. They call it the mk1.5. Swapping the 5sfe is possible as it uses the same motor mounts. As far as the wiring.......good luck. it has and can be done, but your just going to have to figure it out. Talk to mr220v here on the board, he might be able to help you out. They make custom harnesses and an extremely reasonable price out of your existing harness. Speed - Source - Shifter Base Bushing Kit

11-26-2008, 01:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	^But gen2 3sge's are a dime a dozen as well, they make more power, are cheap, and are simply a better performance motor. If I was going to do this type of swap, I would use this motor at a minimum. I'd use a 20v over a 5s as well. It's an excellent autoX motor. It's not peaky like you might expect. The torque isn't up to a 5s, but the peak power is much better. If I was in California, I'd just use a 4agze.

12-04-2008, 09:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
DCKilla Cage Fighter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pearl, MS Posts: 153 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	mr220v, After talking with you the other day I would have to agree. The 5s would not be worth the time or money to do that swap. The 3sge is a much better engine.

12-08-2008, 03:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
tech4america No Skills Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	of course, better engine and you get rid of mount problems... good for you!

12-12-2008, 04:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
mr2Peak No Skills Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bay Area Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	sorry double post

12-12-2008, 04:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
mr2Peak No Skills Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bay Area Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I have a 5s MK1. Very fun to drive. TQ at 2500rpm is nice coming out of corners.

12-15-2008, 04:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
mr2Peak No Skills Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bay Area Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I had Su at Aggressive Performance in san jose do the swap. Same deal as a 3sgte swap but no snail to worry about.

12-16-2008, 03:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
mr2Peak No Skills Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bay Area Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I have no idea. I'm on the other board and there are quite a few 5sfte's up and running, I'm sure someone could help you.