Help with finding rims in picture.

magnesmurf · 05-16-2009, 08:45 AM

Hi.

I saw an mr2 the other day, with some beutiful rims on it. I like that they look like original wheels (the camry has that type of rims as original wheels, but 15" instead 17")

I want to know what brand the rims in the picture are..

help-finding-rims-picture-mr2felger..jpg

I think they might be the BBS RXII?

ebouwman · 05-16-2009, 01:54 PM

ya probably, if you look at the side skirts it even says bbs

tstoney82 · 05-19-2009, 09:21 PM

those are the bbs he's talkin about......somewhat expensive

magnesmurf · 05-22-2009, 09:54 AM

Found out the same thing today...

Actually, it wasen't quite the model, it was another bbs modell: the LM.

help-finding-rims-picture-bbs.lm-fet-mr2-felg.jpg

The price here in Norway is about 1500$ per rim! Or about 6000$ for a set of four!!!!!!!!!!

Considering that the car in the pictures is for sale, I might as well buy the whole car:P It only costs 8000$ with the rims.... (cars are expensive in Norway)
Don't think the owner knows what his wheels are worth!

EL PAALO · 05-27-2009, 12:55 AM

The wheels in the picture are definitely not BBS LM.

Make sure the wheels on the car are actually BBS before buying. Check the fitment specs too since they look like same width/offset all around instead of a staggered fitment.

magnesmurf · 05-28-2009, 12:00 AM

If they not the LM's, what are they?

It says in the sales ad that the wheels are all 7,5"x17". Ad says nothing about offset, but I know that BBS makes the rim with the correct offset for the mr2 (Et 45)

Davis · 05-28-2009, 12:01 AM

I agree with PAALO, LMs look the sex, the ones in the picture does not.

EL PAALO · 05-28-2009, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnesmurf

If they not the LM's, what are they?

It says in the sales ad that the wheels are all 7,5"x17". Ad says nothing about offset, but I know that BBS makes the rim with the correct offset for the mr2 (Et 45)

The bolts/lip make it obvious visually that they are not LM's. The RXII has the same type of bolt/lip, but there are no bolts in the middle of the "Y's" on the RXII so not them either. Still not convinced they're even real BBS. The bad vinyl on the car and lack of BBS centercaps makes me wonder.

7.5 all around .......... that's why the fitment doesn't look quite right. The mkii is setup for a 1" stagger front to back. There is no "correct" offset. +45 is the offset on the stock wheels, but generally people go a little lower with offset as they go wider.

RC MR2 · 05-28-2009, 09:56 AM

get the azul rims. gold ones thats what i have on mine and they look decent on it.

magnesmurf · 05-28-2009, 12:21 PM

Don't know what rims to get yet, but i do know that they will NEVER be gold colored. Thats a style I dont like at all...

Thinking about compotive CXR rims or something that looks simmular to the BBS rims... I'll just have to find something I like. That doesn't cost as much as the BBS rims...

magnesmurf · 05-28-2009, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EL PAALO

There is no "correct" offset. +45 is the offset on the stock wheels, but generally people go a little lower with offset as they go wider.

Well actually there is a correct factory offset on the wheels. This offset has to be right to make the wheel alignment correct. Of coure you can fit different rims with different offset, but then you will have to adjust all the angels in the alignment to make it correct again.
If you move the center of the wheel outwards (different offset) the camber will be wrong when the the wheel moves up and down. Same goes for the caster angle when the wheel turns... If you're reallly unlucky you can end up with a suspension that preforms in an unexpected way when pushed to its limits...

EL PAALO · 05-29-2009, 09:27 AM

If you believe all that to be true, why are you looking at wheels that are 7.5" wide on all 4 corners which throws off the balance of the car?

P.S. Wheel offset doesn't change alignment. It does alter the scrub radius, generally in a negative way, but the trade off for a wider track and larger contact patches is worth it to most.

magnesmurf · 05-29-2009, 10:59 AM

No problem looking at wider wheels as long as you have the original offset or give the car a new wheel alignment if you get a different offset.

As long as the offset remains the same, the center of the wheel will be the in the same place. Therefore not changing the angles of the wheel. If you move the offset you will also move the angles the wheel moves when the suspension is compressed.

As long as you correct a different offset with a new wheel alignment and adjust angles for different a offset, there is no danger, but if you don't do it you can for instance actually might risk loosing control of the car if you hit a bump in a sharp turn, because the wheel then will get an angle thats wrong and makes it lose grip instead of gaining grip when suspension compresses.

Not that hard to imaginge: If the wheel has been set to a deep positive camber angle for optimal grip, and the suspension is not stiffend, when turning and riding over a bump the suspension is compressed. The wheels camber angle will move and make the angle even deeper, and suddenly you are (extreme example) riding on about 10% contact area of the tyre because it has such a steep angle that it actually stands on the corner\side of the tyre\rim. While you in normal cases and turns have about 50% contact area of tyre against the road. (Imagine camber angle moving in a wide circular movement when suspension is compressed.)

That of course was an ekstreme eksample, but still. That is the reason you need a new alignment with a different offset.
I prefer to keep the original offset to not F*** up the alignment angles.

Sorry if the explenation is a bit confusing. English is not my naitive languge, and technical expressions and terms that has to do with mechanichs in english is something i know little about. (I live,work and was educated in norway) If i could ekplain in my naitive languge it would make sence...

Why do i "belive" all this?

Well I am educated as a car mechanic, even if I don't work as that any longer. Some of my old work mates did a bit of rally mechanicing on the side and knows a thing or two about setting up a suspension. One was the chief mechanic for the winner of the Norwegian rally chamiponship. They also thought me about this while I got my education.

Pro mechanics will tell you the same thing about suspension and wheel alignment angles.

EL PAALO · 05-29-2009, 05:28 PM

a lower offset does not change the angle of the wheel.

you use the wheel to take measurements when doing an alignment, but the only thing that changes is suspension bolts. if you set the car up with the stock wheels (15x6 +45 up front) with negative 2 degrees of camber, then switch to some 17x8 +35 wheels up front, the camber is still negative 2 degrees.

I agree that the handling will change, but that is due to the scrub radius change, not alignment. camber is measured vs an imaginary plane ........ it doesn't matter how far out you move the wheel, it's still the same angle in relation to the imaginary plane.

You want 7 +45 front and 8 +45 rear or 7.5 +45 front and 8.5 +45 rear.

Redstar · 05-29-2009, 06:26 PM

No discussion about scrub radius would be complete without including the Dave Point!

Still can't believe they killed SCC...

I agree with El Paalo, offset doesn't affect camber.

magnesmurf · 05-30-2009, 06:07 AM

Since it is a bit hard for me to explain my point because of language difficulties with technical terms, I'll try again, and make it as simple as possible.

Moving the offset does not alter the camber before the suspension is compressed, but when the suspension is compressed the camber will be a different angle compared to a wheel with orignal offset.

It is some of the the same prinsiples when you change the ride hight of a car. You do this by changing springs and by doing that you compress the suspension and alter the angles in the wheel alignment.

As said before, all you need to do to correct this is adjust the angles. That's why all motorsport guys use a lot of time to set up the suspension. Some of the wheel angles are messured from the center of the wheel. Moving the center in or out will affect the angles.

05-16-2009, 08:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
magnesmurf Some Skills Join Date: May 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 80 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Help with finding rims in picture. Hi. I saw an mr2 the other day, with some beutiful rims on it. I like that they look like original wheels (the camry has that type of rims as original wheels, but 15" instead 17") I want to know what brand the rims in the picture are.. I think they might be the BBS RXII?

05-22-2009, 09:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
magnesmurf Some Skills Join Date: May 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 80 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Found out the same thing today... Actually, it wasen't quite the model, it was another bbs modell: the LM. The price here in Norway is about 1500$ per rim! Or about 6000$ for a set of four!!!!!!!!!! Considering that the car in the pictures is for sale, I might as well buy the whole car:P It only costs 8000$ with the rims.... (cars are expensive in Norway) Don't think the owner knows what his wheels are worth!

05-27-2009, 12:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
EL PAALO Wheels make the car. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 2,671 Thanks: 4 Thanked 86 Times in 82 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	The wheels in the picture are definitely not BBS LM. Make sure the wheels on the car are actually BBS before buying. Check the fitment specs too since they look like same width/offset all around instead of a staggered fitment. __________________ WHEELSPECS.COM - a ridiculous number of wheel pics & links

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05-16-2009, 01:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
ebouwman Curve Hugger Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: BC Posts: 1,600 Thanks: 19 Thanked 51 Times in 51 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	ya probably, if you look at the side skirts it even says bbs

05-19-2009, 09:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
tstoney82 one hitter quiter.... Join Date: May 2009 Location: clayton nc Posts: 638 Thanks: 16 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	those are the bbs he's talkin about......somewhat expensive

05-28-2009, 12:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
magnesmurf Some Skills Join Date: May 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 80 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	If they not the LM's, what are they? It says in the sales ad that the wheels are all 7,5"x17". Ad says nothing about offset, but I know that BBS makes the rim with the correct offset for the mr2 (Et 45)

05-28-2009, 12:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
Davis Radical Dreamer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Long Beach, California Posts: 4,536 Thanks: 85 Thanked 125 Times in 113 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	I agree with PAALO, LMs look the sex, the ones in the picture does not.

05-28-2009, 09:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
RC MR2 FREZH Join Date: May 2009 Location: Richmond,VA Posts: 222 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	get the azul rims. gold ones thats what i have on mine and they look decent on it.

05-28-2009, 12:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
magnesmurf Some Skills Join Date: May 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 80 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Don't know what rims to get yet, but i do know that they will NEVER be gold colored. Thats a style I dont like at all... Thinking about compotive CXR rims or something that looks simmular to the BBS rims... I'll just have to find something I like. That doesn't cost as much as the BBS rims...

05-29-2009, 09:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
EL PAALO Wheels make the car. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 2,671 Thanks: 4 Thanked 86 Times in 82 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	If you believe all that to be true, why are you looking at wheels that are 7.5" wide on all 4 corners which throws off the balance of the car? P.S. Wheel offset doesn't change alignment. It does alter the scrub radius, generally in a negative way, but the trade off for a wider track and larger contact patches is worth it to most.

05-29-2009, 10:59 AM	#13 (permalink)
magnesmurf Some Skills Join Date: May 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 80 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	No problem looking at wider wheels as long as you have the original offset or give the car a new wheel alignment if you get a different offset. As long as the offset remains the same, the center of the wheel will be the in the same place. Therefore not changing the angles of the wheel. If you move the offset you will also move the angles the wheel moves when the suspension is compressed. As long as you correct a different offset with a new wheel alignment and adjust angles for different a offset, there is no danger, but if you don't do it you can for instance actually might risk loosing control of the car if you hit a bump in a sharp turn, because the wheel then will get an angle thats wrong and makes it lose grip instead of gaining grip when suspension compresses. Not that hard to imaginge: If the wheel has been set to a deep positive camber angle for optimal grip, and the suspension is not stiffend, when turning and riding over a bump the suspension is compressed. The wheels camber angle will move and make the angle even deeper, and suddenly you are (extreme example) riding on about 10% contact area of the tyre because it has such a steep angle that it actually stands on the corner\side of the tyre\rim. While you in normal cases and turns have about 50% contact area of tyre against the road. (Imagine camber angle moving in a wide circular movement when suspension is compressed.) That of course was an ekstreme eksample, but still. That is the reason you need a new alignment with a different offset. I prefer to keep the original offset to not F*** up the alignment angles. Sorry if the explenation is a bit confusing. English is not my naitive languge, and technical expressions and terms that has to do with mechanichs in english is something i know little about. (I live,work and was educated in norway) If i could ekplain in my naitive languge it would make sence... Why do i "belive" all this? Well I am educated as a car mechanic, even if I don't work as that any longer. Some of my old work mates did a bit of rally mechanicing on the side and knows a thing or two about setting up a suspension. One was the chief mechanic for the winner of the Norwegian rally chamiponship. They also thought me about this while I got my education. Pro mechanics will tell you the same thing about suspension and wheel alignment angles.

05-29-2009, 05:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
EL PAALO Wheels make the car. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 2,671 Thanks: 4 Thanked 86 Times in 82 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	a lower offset does not change the angle of the wheel. you use the wheel to take measurements when doing an alignment, but the only thing that changes is suspension bolts. if you set the car up with the stock wheels (15x6 +45 up front) with negative 2 degrees of camber, then switch to some 17x8 +35 wheels up front, the camber is still negative 2 degrees. I agree that the handling will change, but that is due to the scrub radius change, not alignment. camber is measured vs an imaginary plane ........ it doesn't matter how far out you move the wheel, it's still the same angle in relation to the imaginary plane. You want 7 +45 front and 8 +45 rear or 7.5 +45 front and 8.5 +45 rear.

05-29-2009, 06:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
Redstar My other cars are jealous Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 439 Thanks: 21 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts iTrader Rating: (12/100% )	No discussion about scrub radius would be complete without including the Dave Point! Still can't believe they killed SCC... I agree with El Paalo, offset doesn't affect camber.

05-30-2009, 06:07 AM	#16 (permalink)
magnesmurf Some Skills Join Date: May 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 80 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Since it is a bit hard for me to explain my point because of language difficulties with technical terms, I'll try again, and make it as simple as possible. Moving the offset does not alter the camber before the suspension is compressed, but when the suspension is compressed the camber will be a different angle compared to a wheel with orignal offset. It is some of the the same prinsiples when you change the ride hight of a car. You do this by changing springs and by doing that you compress the suspension and alter the angles in the wheel alignment. As said before, all you need to do to correct this is adjust the angles. That's why all motorsport guys use a lot of time to set up the suspension. Some of the wheel angles are messured from the center of the wheel. Moving the center in or out will affect the angles.