Coilover Camber plates mounting :/

da_force · 11-19-2009, 10:07 AM

This is not something strictly to mr2's related, but it is universal...

Just to make things clear, I know how coilovers are mounted, but I have seen a couple a days ago this picture:

for which I tought

but today I was browsing driftworks forum, and came across this pic in one build thread :

the guy that did that seems to know what he is doing, the whole build is good stuff, and from what I could see he drifts it good...

So the question that imposes on me is:

Bare in mind I understand basics of camber & caster angles, but does this way of mounting it bring any good? does that rly work? or is it just posh?

Shall we all start mounting it like that?

Please share your piece of tought

kbrew8991 · 11-19-2009, 06:07 PM

whats wrong with it in your mind?

CJMR2T · 11-19-2009, 07:38 PM

Im not into drifting but so I cant say but having them turned will allow for a larger range of caster adjustment....

Those plates from the looks of them only allow for camber adjustment. Turning then in the orientation that he has them will allow for some camber gain but a substantial reduction of caster at the same time or the oposite less camber but more caster..

Again, Im not a drifter so I couldn't say for sure, but I my guess would be that caster adjustment is more important them camber which does kinda make sense. If you think about it, they dont really need to play with camber being that they stay pretty flat do to sliding (lose of cornering force and relitively stiffer suspension then would would other wise be used for road coarse and thus less body roll so not really much of a need to compensate). Caster having a substantial effect on the "self centering" effect of the steering could assist in transistion from 1 corner to the next...

Again, thats my theory behind it but Im in no way a drifter so I cant say for sure...

da_force · 11-20-2009, 04:18 AM

Yes, that all afaik is true

On another hand, by mounting them like that, the whole body of the shock will be moved a bit to the outer side... is that maybe undesirable? could that represent a problem?

So you think that setup would have more effect on track use, rather then road..?

well the reason I'm so eager to understand this is because I have seen how the whole wheel+hub was known to break of and go under the car while in a drift... somehow I developed a big respect to those suspension angles, and I don't take them lightly... so this rly pickles my mind...as I haven't seen anywhere any talk about this kind of setup... it was all silently and all of a sudden.. BAAMM!! what is that... everyone is mounting their coilovers like that

CJMR2T · 11-20-2009, 07:10 AM

Im not sure I understand what you are meaning by "the whole body of the shock will be moved a bit to the outer side...". The body of the shock moves in and out as you adjust camber and caster anyways so how is it any different?

Like I said, Im not a drifter nor am I really into it, but there must be a reason for for wanting more caster adjustment.

As for it being more effective for track use, what kind of track use are we talking about? If your meaning road coarse (non drift)(NASA, SCCA, Time Attack, etc...) then my answer would be NO... Camber adjustment is far more important then caster adjustment. Caster doenst really have any effect ultimately on the cornering power of the car. Its really more of a responce type controlling adjustment (which goes back to why I can see it being more desirable in drifting)....

Why no just ask the guys that have the setup like that "Why?" they have it like that?

da_force · 11-20-2009, 01:06 PM

well I haven't seen somebody wanting a positive camber... normaly you move the shock to the inside.... going oposite... well no need for clearing that one

Ah I'm just trying to figure exactly why they do it like that... posibly talk in numbers... what where n why...

I'm just fascinated by suspension owerall.... want to know everything

Gues I'll just ask them... wanted to speak a bit with you people that appreciate the car that this forum is all about... there I'll be treated like noob for asking that... eeeh.. what the heck.... I'll try

Thx anyway for your input in this subject

11-19-2009, 10:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
da_force Stance Seeker Join Date: May 2009 Location: Croatia, Zagreb Posts: 140 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Coilover Camber plates mounting :/ This is not something strictly to mr2's related, but it is universal... Just to make things clear, I know how coilovers are mounted, but I have seen a couple a days ago this picture: for which I tought but today I was browsing driftworks forum, and came across this pic in one build thread : the guy that did that seems to know what he is doing, the whole build is good stuff, and from what I could see he drifts it good... So the question that imposes on me is: Bare in mind I understand basics of camber & caster angles, but does this way of mounting it bring any good? does that rly work? or is it just posh? Shall we all start mounting it like that? Please share your piece of tought

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11-19-2009, 06:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
kbrew8991 gimme some turns Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,685 Thanks: 76 Thanked 82 Times in 70 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	whats wrong with it in your mind?

11-19-2009, 07:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
CJMR2T Fabricator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lakeland, FL Posts: 3,689 Thanks: 3 Thanked 356 Times in 337 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Im not into drifting but so I cant say but having them turned will allow for a larger range of caster adjustment.... Those plates from the looks of them only allow for camber adjustment. Turning then in the orientation that he has them will allow for some camber gain but a substantial reduction of caster at the same time or the oposite less camber but more caster.. Again, Im not a drifter so I couldn't say for sure, but I my guess would be that caster adjustment is more important them camber which does kinda make sense. If you think about it, they dont really need to play with camber being that they stay pretty flat do to sliding (lose of cornering force and relitively stiffer suspension then would would other wise be used for road coarse and thus less body roll so not really much of a need to compensate). Caster having a substantial effect on the "self centering" effect of the steering could assist in transistion from 1 corner to the next... Again, thats my theory behind it but Im in no way a drifter so I cant say for sure...

11-20-2009, 04:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
da_force Stance Seeker Join Date: May 2009 Location: Croatia, Zagreb Posts: 140 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Yes, that all afaik is true On another hand, by mounting them like that, the whole body of the shock will be moved a bit to the outer side... is that maybe undesirable? could that represent a problem? So you think that setup would have more effect on track use, rather then road..? well the reason I'm so eager to understand this is because I have seen how the whole wheel+hub was known to break of and go under the car while in a drift... somehow I developed a big respect to those suspension angles, and I don't take them lightly... so this rly pickles my mind...as I haven't seen anywhere any talk about this kind of setup... it was all silently and all of a sudden.. BAAMM!! what is that... everyone is mounting their coilovers like that

11-20-2009, 07:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
CJMR2T Fabricator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lakeland, FL Posts: 3,689 Thanks: 3 Thanked 356 Times in 337 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Im not sure I understand what you are meaning by "the whole body of the shock will be moved a bit to the outer side...". The body of the shock moves in and out as you adjust camber and caster anyways so how is it any different? Like I said, Im not a drifter nor am I really into it, but there must be a reason for for wanting more caster adjustment. As for it being more effective for track use, what kind of track use are we talking about? If your meaning road coarse (non drift)(NASA, SCCA, Time Attack, etc...) then my answer would be NO... Camber adjustment is far more important then caster adjustment. Caster doenst really have any effect ultimately on the cornering power of the car. Its really more of a responce type controlling adjustment (which goes back to why I can see it being more desirable in drifting).... Why no just ask the guys that have the setup like that "Why?" they have it like that?

11-20-2009, 01:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
da_force Stance Seeker Join Date: May 2009 Location: Croatia, Zagreb Posts: 140 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	well I haven't seen somebody wanting a positive camber... normaly you move the shock to the inside.... going oposite... well no need for clearing that one Ah I'm just trying to figure exactly why they do it like that... posibly talk in numbers... what where n why... I'm just fascinated by suspension owerall.... want to know everything Gues I'll just ask them... wanted to speak a bit with you people that appreciate the car that this forum is all about... there I'll be treated like noob for asking that... eeeh.. what the heck.... I'll try Thx anyway for your input in this subject