is this safe?

[300zx]

I might be buying this mr2 and i was a little worried about the harnesses because i know someone that died because they installed them wrong but is this a safe way to install them?

[Lil Blue Bastard]

It's all about the mounting points, and where they are located. Where is the mount point on the upper part of the harness?

[fvillota]

of they are wrong you can always get regular seat belts and sell those or install them on right if the cars price is good.

[ice_mr2turbo]

probably not comfy to have those harnesses rubbing against your neck, time for time

[Oteck]

i wouldn't consider that safe. ask the owner to put back the oem seatbelts before buying

[mr2boost]

Can't tell where they are installed at.

But, here is the safe way for shoulder harnesses.

Must not be below the shoulder level, & if mounted to the floor it is a neck compression fracture waiting to happen & is ILLEGAL in all forms of organized racing.

Safest way is mounted to a harness bar attached to a roll bar.

Next would be a harness bar like what EMS Powered sells that mounts in the MR2... Racing Harness Bar (1990-1999 MR2) - $199.00 : EMSPowered, High Quality, Great Service, Low Prices

Next would be backing plates bolting in through the fire wall. This MAY be illegal in some racing venues.

Just bolted in with no plates or anything is totally UNSAFE & illegal in all forms of racing & illegal by all DOT standards.

As for the floor belts, if they don't have backing plates they are illegal & unsafe as well.

Hope this helped!

Daniel

[NONACK]

They appear to be attached to a harness bar, and you could move them so they go around the headrest, but most motorsports don't allow harnesses in open or t-top cars without a roll bar, so they are pretty much useless.

[Oteck]

it's attached to the coat hanger bolt which itself isn't strong enough

[328FTW]

Put them in properly and it is not a problem. Big backing plates with nylock nuts is probably the best way. They will wear on your collar bone though, I found that worse than the neck rubbing but I'm a stick figure so that explains that.

And you have to wait longer if you get pulled up while the cop looks for a way to ticket you for it. I have a piece of paper that says I'm allowed but that doesn't stop them trying lol. Apparantly it is unsafe aftermarket engineering just like rollbars

[psuPbikeRider88]

personally, i would not let that deter you from buying the car. Putting racing harnesses in a street car is really impractical, not to mention a big PITA every time you get in and out of the car. I'd buy the car (assuming everything else is good) and remove those belts and put the stock belts back in.

[kbrew8991]

I would not expect those to hold you in the car during a crash

to do it right - at minimum - 4 point rollbar, racing bucket, then those harnesses. harness bars may hold you in but I wouldn't want to roll with that setup and let my spine become the de facto rollbar

either go with the all stock setup, or go with a properly done aftermarket setup (rollbar, seat, harness). those middle ground deals often end up worse than either option really...

[328FTW]

They shouldn't be worse than stock belts. Crashing throws you everywhere and the more holding points the better to a point but belt height and length must be right or you will damage yourself. Like mr2boost said there is a right place for the mounting points and with plate on the firewall they will be fine and the headrest stops them spreading off the sides. The lap ones can go in the standard holes with the right end piece and there is no 5th point to worry about. I have done all my trackcar belts and one roadcar and they are fine, crash tested even. Road cars don't need the intrusion of a rollbar setup unless it is really needed, just cause you are going to do the occasional trackday doesn't mean you need a race car.

[kbrew8991]

except they're mounted really half ass and leave you no room to fold if the roof caves in. even solving the mount issue leaves you with a sketchtasticly routed harness... blech.

there is a reason I did Time Trials for 3 years on my 100% stock safety stuff use all of one system (stock) or upgrade the entire system. period. I don't care what Cowboy Bob here down under did and got away with a few times, sorry... thats luck . A basic 4 point is not that intrusive.. besides, whats your life worth? This is akin to slapping a MONSTER turbo on your car and trying to use the stock fuel system, intercooler, ignition, etc. Sure it may be a little faster, but it brings up more issues than it solves.

at any rate, good luck getting that through tech inspection stateside if you did track it, and your local traffic cops may or may not care for it either..??

[300zx]

thanks for the help

Originally Posted by Oteck

i wouldn't consider that safe. ask the owner to put back the oem seatbelts before buying

he doesnt have the stock seat belts

Originally Posted by psuPbikeRider88

personally, i would not let that deter you from buying the car. Putting racing harnesses in a street car is really impractical, not to mention a big PITA every time you get in and out of the car. I'd buy the car (assuming everything else is good) and remove those belts and put the stock belts back in.

yeah it is kinda impractical

Originally Posted by kbrew8991

except they're mounted really half ass and leave you no room to fold if the roof caves in. even solving the mount issue leaves you with a sketchtasticly routed harness... blech.

there is a reason I did Time Trials for 3 years on my 100% stock safety stuff use all of one system (stock) or upgrade the entire system. period. I don't care what Cowboy Bob here down under did and got away with a few times, sorry... thats luck . A basic 4 point is not that intrusive.. besides, whats your life worth? This is akin to slapping a MONSTER turbo on your car and trying to use the stock fuel system, intercooler, ignition, etc. Sure it may be a little faster, but it brings up more issues than it solves.

at any rate, good luck getting that through tech inspection stateside if you did track it, and your local traffic cops may or may not care for it either..??

my local cops really dont care about racing seatbelts but i got pulled over a few times in my old eclipse i had (had a harness bar and a tanaka 4 piont harness for the driver side and stock seat belts for the passenger) but i never got a ticket.



but where can i find some stock mr2 seatbelts

[91_mr2_boi]

just ask around there's plenty of ppl parting mr2's i'm sure if you go to the right threads and ask they will have some for you or you could make a thread saying you wanna buy them and i'm sure someone will see just make sure you make the thread in marketplace i made that mistake

[metheores]

This is what you are looking for right? second one

Toyota Mr2 Seat Belt - OEQ, Replacement - 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1995, 1994, 1993

[MR2-MRnot]

just dont wreck and you wont have any problems and watch out for other idiots too! if ur anything like me, you are king of driving and everyone else sucks

[328FTW]

Originally Posted by kbrew8991

except they're mounted really half ass and leave you no room to fold if the roof caves in. even solving the mount issue leaves you with a sketchtasticly routed harness... blech.

there is a reason I did Time Trials for 3 years on my 100% stock safety stuff use all of one system (stock) or upgrade the entire system. period. I don't care what Cowboy Bob here down under did and got away with a few times, sorry... thats luck . A basic 4 point is not that intrusive.. besides, whats your life worth? This is akin to slapping a MONSTER turbo on your car and trying to use the stock fuel system, intercooler, ignition, etc. Sure it may be a little faster, but it brings up more issues than it solves.

at any rate, good luck getting that through tech inspection stateside if you did track it, and your local traffic cops may or may not care for it either..??

I wasn't saying that it is currently alright just that it can be done without getting carried away and 4 point is fine unless you intend to hang upside down from the belts a lot. A bar is better as a mount point but the main concern is height setting and placement. Too far down or up and they might as well not exist as far as injury protection. I prefer the mechanical locking belts not centre turns like the one in the picture. Belts with a 2 year approval are not that expensive and there lots of places that sell them.

It wouldn't be hard to get the car to standard just requires a little work. My belts are good and I will stand by them I didn't just use self tapping screws to make it look nice they are on brackets that I brought through the company that sold me the belts. I even used high tensile bolts and 5mm plate for peace of mind.