Relocate coolant neck & charcoal canister

wesnemo · 10-01-2007, 07:28 PM

Has anybody ever relocated the coolant neck and the charcoal canister to allow a straighter shot at the throttle body? Any benefit? Any pictures?

By rough calculation it would allow for one 45 degree bend in place of two 90s. It seems like that would be worth something.

Observations anyone?

TomsMR2 · 10-01-2007, 07:44 PM

coolant doesnt really flow in/out of the filler neck when its running.

wesnemo · 10-01-2007, 07:55 PM

I want to move it out of the way for an intake. Retaining it for ease of maintenance.

NONACK · 10-01-2007, 08:55 PM

Try the V6 forum, I think they sometimes need to relocate it to fit the larger engines/turbos.

Coastal · 10-01-2007, 09:08 PM

with intakes netting our 5s motors maybe 1-2hp... I must ask if its even remotely worth it?

wesnemo · 10-01-2007, 10:10 PM

The current crop of intakes retains the two 90 degree bends to wiggle around the coolant filler and the charcoal canister. If they can both be relocated you can get a straighter shot. Without some kind of heat shield, I think the aftermarket intakes pick up exhaust heat with headers installed.

I'm working on a heat shield(s) to isolate the header heat from the intake area. It will do double duty and hold the relocated coolant neck and the canister. Then an aftermarket intake might have a chance at being useful. I wonder if a slightly larger diameter would help.

Once I get the shields up I'll see what might work.

Coastal · 10-01-2007, 10:20 PM

I will never stop someone from trying new things...
one would think that a variation of the sorts was tried in the past, but if that attitude was taken in other areas of time then where would we be today...

Good luck, document your efforts and post up some results.

wesnemo · 10-01-2007, 10:37 PM

I've got a prototype made from a flea market piece of hippie aluminum. Took it for a test drive today. Have to trim a little more for clearance when the engine rocks.

The next piece will be a little trickier to mount parallel to the long axis of the head. Might as well put the x-braces to good use.

Once the clearance and fit issues are worked out, then component relocation will start.

wesnemo · 10-02-2007, 09:29 PM

It fits. Phase two coming.

Hellstorm · 10-02-2007, 09:47 PM

Looks like that engine bay could use some degreaser.

wesnemo · 10-02-2007, 10:10 PM

More than degreaser. You should have seen it when I first got the car.

mrturrari · 10-03-2007, 01:36 AM

Maybe something like this?

The coolant neck is just unbolted and hanging and the fuse box is held in by one bolt so it could be moved down. I also had to use a piece of rubber to keep the intake pipe from wearing hole through the charcoal canister hoses but it is still in the stock location.

wesnemo · 10-03-2007, 07:31 AM

Excellent. Thanks for the pics. I want to come around through the area of the coolant neck and the charcoal canister to decrease the angle even more. both will be moved to the shield. Heat shouldn't be a problem because that shield will be double walled, with the inner wall mounted on standoffs.

I also want to isolate the header area from the intake and the head. The header area will then vent through real louvers above once the baffle is cut away.

I am not certain, but it looks like there could be some radiator hose shortening and other hose shortening in the area below the airbox. I''ll have to take a look at that prospect once I have my prototypes worked out.

Engine bay beauty will have to wait. I'm almost afraid to remove more dirt from the engine because I switched it to synthetic oil when I picked up the car, and so far no leaks.

mrturrari · 10-03-2007, 11:47 AM

That sounds like a great idea. My intake is still a little too long for my ultimate power goals. Just like with headers and intake runners, the intake length can have an effect on power production so a longer pipe will help in the lower RPMs and a shorter pipe will favor the higher ones. The problem is that you still want to get the cold air from the vent so some compromise has to be made. If you can make it a more direct route that will help and installing a box like you are doing should keep the air cool further back so you can use a shorter pipe.

wesnemo · 10-14-2007, 07:09 PM

Well, phase one needed a little trimming to avoid some running clearance issues. Phase two is fitted up. Haven't done a test drive yet to see if there are any clearance issues on this segment.

If everything works out, component relocation will follow.

Roger_Rabbit · 10-20-2007, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wesnemo

Well, phase one needed a little trimming to avoid some running clearance issues. Phase two is fitted up. Haven't done a test drive yet to see if there are any clearance issues on this segment.

If everything works out, component relocation will follow.

Dude... I tried so hard to keep my mouth shut... Although I aplaud you for being innovative, only one thing comes to mind...

MAD MAX...

Keep it up though... I am sure it will be awesome in the end and I will be ordering parts from you...

Edit... It just dawned on me... You are closing in the hottest part of the engine bay... That is too cool (no pun intended... Really...)... You might consider adding a fan to the enclosure... Maybe that blows the heat out the right side vent to help with removing the heat... Or maybe that blows the heat out through the top of the engine lid since that may be a more natural airflow... Kind of like a computer... Just a thought...

wesnemo · 10-20-2007, 08:26 PM

Well so far there don't seem to be any running clearance issues after some mild trimming. Since the headers are closed in by the shield I trimmed the underhood baffle a little to allow venting through the hood. Pics are up.

Coolant neck relocation is underway.

wesnemo · 10-21-2007, 05:07 PM

Once you find the desirable spot the coolant neck relocation went pretty much without a hitch. I was even able to get an off the shelf 90 degree hose that was perfect. Took one 90 degree off the stock hose and got the other at Advance Auto. Some 1 inch OD aluminum tubing and a couple of clamps completes the coolant hookup. You need to add some hose for the overflow line. You also have to flip the plug wire loom to the throttle cable bracket. No big deal.

The charcoal canister is a lot heavier than I figured. The heat shield wouldn't support it adequately unless the shield was braced at the bottom. More engineering . . . I don't think so. I wasn't keen on mounting it to the heat shield unless it was double walled anyway because of the gas vapor issue.

Fortunately the canister is held in a clamp that can be loosened to allow the whole canister to slide down several inches and rotate slightly to the right. this allows enough clearance to run the intake tube where I want it. You don't even have to add length to any of the hoses. Pics are up.

10-01-2007, 07:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
wesnemo wesnemo Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast PA Posts: 274 Thanks: 11 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Relocate coolant neck & charcoal canister Has anybody ever relocated the coolant neck and the charcoal canister to allow a straighter shot at the throttle body? Any benefit? Any pictures? By rough calculation it would allow for one 45 degree bend in place of two 90s. It seems like that would be worth something. Observations anyone?

10-02-2007, 09:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
wesnemo wesnemo Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast PA Posts: 274 Thanks: 11 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Shield pics up It fits. Phase two coming.

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TomsMR2 Formerly Tom Brokaw Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,138 Thanks: 8 Thanked 165 Times in 138 Posts Blog Entries: 1 iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	coolant doesnt really flow in/out of the filler neck when its running.

10-01-2007, 07:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
wesnemo wesnemo Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast PA Posts: 274 Thanks: 11 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	I want to move it out of the way for an intake. Retaining it for ease of maintenance.

10-01-2007, 08:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
NONACK What skills? Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 115 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Try the V6 forum, I think they sometimes need to relocate it to fit the larger engines/turbos.

10-01-2007, 09:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
Coastal Midship Pilot Join Date: May 2005 Location: Triad, NC Posts: 331 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	with intakes netting our 5s motors maybe 1-2hp... I must ask if its even remotely worth it?

10-01-2007, 10:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
wesnemo wesnemo Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast PA Posts: 274 Thanks: 11 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	The current crop of intakes retains the two 90 degree bends to wiggle around the coolant filler and the charcoal canister. If they can both be relocated you can get a straighter shot. Without some kind of heat shield, I think the aftermarket intakes pick up exhaust heat with headers installed. I'm working on a heat shield(s) to isolate the header heat from the intake area. It will do double duty and hold the relocated coolant neck and the canister. Then an aftermarket intake might have a chance at being useful. I wonder if a slightly larger diameter would help. Once I get the shields up I'll see what might work.

10-01-2007, 10:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
Coastal Midship Pilot Join Date: May 2005 Location: Triad, NC Posts: 331 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I will never stop someone from trying new things... one would think that a variation of the sorts was tried in the past, but if that attitude was taken in other areas of time then where would we be today... Good luck, document your efforts and post up some results.

10-02-2007, 09:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hellstorm I Bet I Can Break It. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 723 Thanks: 11 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	Looks like that engine bay could use some degreaser.

10-02-2007, 10:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
wesnemo wesnemo Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast PA Posts: 274 Thanks: 11 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	More than degreaser. You should have seen it when I first got the car.

10-03-2007, 01:36 AM	#12 (permalink)
mrturrari I <3 my 5sfe Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 418 Thanks: 2 Thanked 93 Times in 60 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Maybe something like this? The coolant neck is just unbolted and hanging and the fuse box is held in by one bolt so it could be moved down. I also had to use a piece of rubber to keep the intake pipe from wearing hole through the charcoal canister hoses but it is still in the stock location.

10-03-2007, 07:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
wesnemo wesnemo Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast PA Posts: 274 Thanks: 11 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Excellent. Thanks for the pics. I want to come around through the area of the coolant neck and the charcoal canister to decrease the angle even more. both will be moved to the shield. Heat shouldn't be a problem because that shield will be double walled, with the inner wall mounted on standoffs. I also want to isolate the header area from the intake and the head. The header area will then vent through real louvers above once the baffle is cut away. I am not certain, but it looks like there could be some radiator hose shortening and other hose shortening in the area below the airbox. I''ll have to take a look at that prospect once I have my prototypes worked out. Engine bay beauty will have to wait. I'm almost afraid to remove more dirt from the engine because I switched it to synthetic oil when I picked up the car, and so far no leaks.

10-03-2007, 11:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
mrturrari I <3 my 5sfe Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 418 Thanks: 2 Thanked 93 Times in 60 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	That sounds like a great idea. My intake is still a little too long for my ultimate power goals. Just like with headers and intake runners, the intake length can have an effect on power production so a longer pipe will help in the lower RPMs and a shorter pipe will favor the higher ones. The problem is that you still want to get the cold air from the vent so some compromise has to be made. If you can make it a more direct route that will help and installing a box like you are doing should keep the air cool further back so you can use a shorter pipe.