Instrument Cluster

rvicke · 10-05-2007, 12:50 AM

I have a '93 NA (manual transmission), and am in need of an instrument cluster.....I'm watching ebay, and there is a JDM (in KPH and made for a RHD car) cluster there....two questions...

1) Anyone know of a better source?

and

2) Will the JDM cluster fit without wiring changes?

Thanks,

rvicke (Rick)

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Ncturnal · 10-05-2007, 01:07 AM

I'm pretty sure I have a 93 cluster. I'll do some checking. As for you question, I'm not really sure.

Weasy2k · 10-05-2007, 02:15 AM

if brian doesnt help yea out then contact OTECK on this board he may have some stuff...

Oteck · 10-05-2007, 02:39 AM

what is wrong with your current? i have a spare usdm odometer assembly

rvicke · 10-05-2007, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oteck

what is wrong with your current? i have a spare usdm odometer assembly

I purchased the car ('93 NA, MT) 11 months ago to replace my '88 SC (crashed), and when I bought it, the tach did not work, but the speedo did (the reverse of what I would have liked)...then, about five months ago, the speedo died, so now I have neither, which was livable, until I replaced the rear speakers (really bad) last week....now, with the crackling rear speakers replaced, I want to crank the stereo, but then I can't hear the engine, so I now need the tach to work.

I've looked to the procedure to diagnose the tach, but can't find anything online, so my next step is to find a replacement as the likelihood of both the tach and speedo problems being outside the cluster is slim, I would think. When I bought the car, I had a small leak in the tranny fixed, a new timing belt installed (of course, new seals front and new water pump at the same time), and had that guy check the tach signal, and he said it was ok, but he may not have done anything to check, just said he did.

That's where I stand. Any advise appreciated, as I have a trip in a couple of weeks, and although I have driven 2's long enough to drive by engine sound, it would be nice to listen to music on the trip too....smile.

Rick (rvicke)

Oteck · 10-05-2007, 10:33 AM

sounds like a botched wiring job, the cluster is the least to fail in any scenarios. does all the dash light go up?

rvicke · 10-05-2007, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oteck

sounds like a botched wiring job, the cluster is the least to fail in any scenarios. does all the dash light go up?

Yep, everything else works great, including all of the other items in the cluster...it is just the tach and speedo that do not work...the ameter, temp, fuel guages all work fine, the little idiot lights (airbag, seatbelt, door, oil, etc) work fine, all of the dash lights, including the cluster, light fine....its just the tach and speedo...

The speedo died after I got the car stuck on a snow bank in PA last spring (the late snow), and had to rock the car back and forward to get it off (in addition to digging her out)....it then worked some, then wouldn't work, work some, then quit again...I checked to make sure the wiring wasn't pulled from the tranny, but the connection is still there..

Ncturnal · 10-05-2007, 12:48 PM

It's not your cluster. The speed sender in the transmission is broken.

rvicke · 10-05-2007, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ncturnal

It's not your cluster. The speed sender in the transmission is broken.

Well, I understand that is a good possibility....but the tach, that is the one (of the two broken) that I most want....it is easy to determine spreed from RPM's, but not so easy the reverse, RPMs from speed....

If someone can give me insight into how to test the tach circuitry, then I can avoid changing clusters...

Ncturnal · 10-05-2007, 12:58 PM

Sorry, I didn't see the post about the tach. That's what I get for reading the board at stoplights. Where are you located?

rvicke · 10-05-2007, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ncturnal

Sorry, I didn't see the post about the tach. That's what I get for reading the board at stoplights. Where are you located?

I'm from FL, but currently working a contract (software) in Memphis, TN

rvicke · 10-06-2007, 11:32 PM

I'm not sure, but I need to do something. I tried to check on the tachometer today, but had limited time, so didn't go into the dash.

I'm thinking I'm going to need two fixes, one for the speedo and one for the tach...the speedo is probably the sending unit, but the tach is probably the cluster, or possibly a wiring fault leading to....

Ok, let's start with the speed sensor....I believe I found the part number, can anyone verify?

83181-12020

I have a 5sfe engine, with a S54 transaxle....is this the correct speed sensor number?

Thanks,

rvicke

Hope you do have the cluster...

Oteck · 10-07-2007, 12:31 AM

id check the speedo cable before replacing anything else, that one tends to go first before anything else. as for the tach, thats connected to the ecu/crank sensor you can measure it w/ a multimeter to see any activity. find a purple wire in the cluster pigtail

rvicke · 10-07-2007, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oteck

id check the speedo cable before replacing anything else, that one tends to go first before anything else. as for the tach, thats connected to the ecu/crank sensor you can measure it w/ a multimeter to see any activity. find a purple wire in the cluster pigtail

Thanks, but it's a '93...no cable, it's electronic...I will see if I can find the purple wire...and try to test.

Thanks..

Rick

Ncturnal · 10-08-2007, 11:14 PM

So far the only one I've found that is 93+ is a turbo cluster.

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rvicke No Skills Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Instrument Cluster I have a '93 NA (manual transmission), and am in need of an instrument cluster.....I'm watching ebay, and there is a JDM (in KPH and made for a RHD car) cluster there....two questions... 1) Anyone know of a better source? and 2) Will the JDM cluster fit without wiring changes? Thanks, rvicke (Rick) Sophia_small.JPG Last edited by rvicke; 10-05-2007 at 01:17 AM.

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10-05-2007, 02:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
Oteck Guu Sama! Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,715 Thanks: 8 Thanked 48 Times in 45 Posts Blog Entries: 2 iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	what is wrong with your current? i have a spare usdm odometer assembly

10-05-2007, 10:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
Oteck Guu Sama! Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,715 Thanks: 8 Thanked 48 Times in 45 Posts Blog Entries: 2 iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	sounds like a botched wiring job, the cluster is the least to fail in any scenarios. does all the dash light go up?

10-05-2007, 12:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ncturnal Google Ron Paul Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,864 Thanks: 91 Thanked 118 Times in 102 Posts Blog Entries: 6 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (33/100% )	It's not your cluster. The speed sender in the transmission is broken.

10-05-2007, 12:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ncturnal Google Ron Paul Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,864 Thanks: 91 Thanked 118 Times in 102 Posts Blog Entries: 6 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (33/100% )	Sorry, I didn't see the post about the tach. That's what I get for reading the board at stoplights. Where are you located?

10-06-2007, 11:32 PM	#12 (permalink)
rvicke No Skills Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I'm not sure, but I need to do something. I tried to check on the tachometer today, but had limited time, so didn't go into the dash. I'm thinking I'm going to need two fixes, one for the speedo and one for the tach...the speedo is probably the sending unit, but the tach is probably the cluster, or possibly a wiring fault leading to.... Ok, let's start with the speed sensor....I believe I found the part number, can anyone verify? 83181-12020 I have a 5sfe engine, with a S54 transaxle....is this the correct speed sensor number? Thanks, rvicke Hope you do have the cluster...

10-07-2007, 12:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
Oteck Guu Sama! Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,715 Thanks: 8 Thanked 48 Times in 45 Posts Blog Entries: 2 iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	id check the speedo cable before replacing anything else, that one tends to go first before anything else. as for the tach, thats connected to the ecu/crank sensor you can measure it w/ a multimeter to see any activity. find a purple wire in the cluster pigtail

10-08-2007, 11:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
Ncturnal Google Ron Paul Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,864 Thanks: 91 Thanked 118 Times in 102 Posts Blog Entries: 6 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (33/100% )	So far the only one I've found that is 93+ is a turbo cluster.