Tom's Scoop: What's the deal?

Mister22u · 11-06-2007, 01:01 AM

Are these just for looks, or do they really connect to the intake? Do you buy a cold-air intake to use with it?

Just curious; they are mentioned frequently.

PHOENIX · 11-06-2007, 01:12 AM

There is no proof to say that they work, or don't work. Unfortunately, not many people have the money to rent out a wind tunnel with a built in dyno. So i think the general consensus is, its for looks.

I have one on my red car, but it will be taken off when i get home to tone down my car. I have considered though getting a couple Anemometers (Wind gauges) and placing them in and around the engine bay and scoop to see the results at a general speed of 60 mph. Then doing the same thing without and see where the air flow is going and what it does.

1 more year here in Japan, and then its back to the states, so i will test it out then.

TVISMR2 · 11-06-2007, 04:17 AM

They don't work and they are fugly

Mister22u ur car looks nice as is

TomsMR2 · 11-06-2007, 07:52 AM

air flows in the sides and bottom, and out the top. the scoops try to make it do the opposite of what the cars naturally designs to do.

you cant buy the toms airbox any more, so the scoops are 100% useless. originally they came on the left side only and sealed to a lower intake box, which would force air in. IF you had the box there might be a marginal gain only at speed. at low speeds it would only act like a loooooong tube intake and give you throttle lag and less response. but again, you cant buy the airbox so its really just useless.

.. plus they look like clam genitalia strapped to your roof

just say no.

jdm ding-dong · 11-06-2007, 07:58 AM

lololll i had a deal for both for a 100$, guess il pass hihi

baktasht · 11-06-2007, 08:40 AM

They're for looks. They cause excessive drag and slow you down. There's no performance gain.

Mister22u · 11-06-2007, 11:17 AM

Thanks for the help! I could see a decent gain in cold air if it worked as a snorkel, but I didn't know they didn't come with an airbox, so they are just for looks (or lack thereof).

BTW - would you suggest just getting a $20 aluminum intake off of ebay, or is there one that everyone swears by?

hmong337 · 11-06-2007, 11:30 AM

i personally love the look of these scoops

David_K · 11-08-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister22u

BTW - would you suggest just getting a $20 aluminum intake off of ebay, or is there one that everyone swears by?

I've got an aluminum tube. With a K&N Filter on it. My car sounds badass. Cheap and efffective as hell.

When its wet I strap it up in place around where the stock airbox goes. When its dry I lower it down closer to the left scoop. It gets really wet around here, and I'm neurotic about airflow.
When its down though. I can rip it up all over town, get to wherever I'm going and open the hood. Engine is super roasty. Intake pipe is ice cold. Its pretty neat.

Gairloch · 11-09-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister22u

BTW - would you suggest just getting a $20 aluminum intake off of ebay, or is there one that everyone swears by?

Only reason to change your intake is if yours is damaged or you want to change the sound of your car. Tests have shown that none of the intakes available actually make any power unless it's in support of other VE (volumetric efficiency) mods.

butter nuts · 11-09-2007, 12:30 AM

They are only for looks. Tasteless, gawdy, ricer looks.

Mister22u · 11-09-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gairloch

Only reason to change your intake is if yours is damaged or you want to change the sound of your car. Tests have shown that none of the intakes available actually make any power unless it's in support of other VE (volumetric efficiency) mods.

I'm not an expert, but if you change the length of the intake, won't you change the torque band on the engine slightly? Also, are there aftermarket throttlebodies for the 5SFE? That would definitely give more HP's with the addition of an intake.

Wheelman_13 · 11-09-2007, 11:56 AM

The only application where I've seen a Toms scoop make sense was on a MkII I saw at a nopi show a couple of years ago. The fellow was running a top-mount IC on the drivers side (where the airbox sits in a stock car), the scoop sat just over that, and he had a sucker fan underneath. His intake was on the passenger side (the turbo had been re-oriented to accomodate this ) where the stock IC would sit. This let him run a larger IC than one could fit in the stock location, and still have cold air flowing through it.

That said, in any relatively stock application, the scoop is just going to increase the frontal area of the car with respect to wind drag (which increases with the square of vehicle speed), which would easily offset any marginal HP gain once you accelerated past parking lot speed.

GINA2MR2 · 12-10-2007, 11:49 AM

when you change the lenght of the intake you do get more power.. im my GTI i added a polished pipe about 7inches longer then the stock one and it hauled ass.. ricers beware..

ixtlann · 12-10-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by butter nuts

They are only for looks. Tasteless, gawdy, ricer looks.

+2

wesnemo · 12-10-2007, 10:26 PM

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.. plus they look like clam genitalia strapped to your roof just say no.

Clam genitalia? How would you know that?

VeilsideMR2 · 12-10-2007, 11:11 PM

^Lol^
And btw, how does the engine bay open up correctly with these scoops or even the bomex scoops??? it looks like it would scrape the car and the scoop wouldn't clear it... does it clear or is it opened a different way?

PHOENIX · 12-10-2007, 11:32 PM

how do you guys know it doesn't work?

I'm sure you will give me some crap about airflow dynamics, and you all have engineering degrees and whatnot, but have you yourself seen any proof to see that it does or doesn't work? Who here has put anemometers in your mr2 to see if it works or doesn't work?

Sure, give me the answer of "if toyota would have thought of it, then they would have put one on there if it helped as a stock option". If thats the case, then companies like KO Racing, ATS Racing, and hell....TRD wouldn't exist.

I just think when it comes to this product, there has been speculation on both sides of the argument. I myself used one for looks as my red car was built for different circumstances. But for me to imply that it does or doesn't work, would be complete opinion because there is no proof either way.

I've been in the MR2 community for years, and have seen no proof either way. Until there is proof, there is no reason for you guys to sit there and speculate on it trying to make it sound like a fact.

for example

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Originally Posted by Butternuts

They are only for looks. Tasteless, gawdy, ricer looks.

Gairloch · 12-10-2007, 11:45 PM

My only problem with these things on an otherwise stock engine bay is that the airflow in the engine compartment is designed to flow up from under the engine and out the lid.

If you've got the scoops introducing air in from the sides I can see how it wouldn't necessarily hurt anything but I don't see how the scoops would help anything either.

11-06-2007, 01:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mister22u Mad Skillz Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 105 Thanks: 7 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Tom's Scoop: What's the deal? Are these just for looks, or do they really connect to the intake? Do you buy a cold-air intake to use with it? Just curious; they are mentioned frequently.

12-10-2007, 11:45 PM	#19 (permalink)
Gairloch Dreaming of apexes Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 4,426 Thanks: 114 Thanked 219 Times in 192 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	My only problem with these things on an otherwise stock engine bay is that the airflow in the engine compartment is designed to flow up from under the engine and out the lid. If you've got the scoops introducing air in from the sides I can see how it wouldn't necessarily hurt anything but I don't see how the scoops would help anything either.
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11-06-2007, 01:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
PHOENIX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tachikawa, Japan Posts: 7,262 Thanks: 71 Thanked 216 Times in 163 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (39/100% )	There is no proof to say that they work, or don't work. Unfortunately, not many people have the money to rent out a wind tunnel with a built in dyno. So i think the general consensus is, its for looks. I have one on my red car, but it will be taken off when i get home to tone down my car. I have considered though getting a couple Anemometers (Wind gauges) and placing them in and around the engine bay and scoop to see the results at a general speed of 60 mph. Then doing the same thing without and see where the air flow is going and what it does. 1 more year here in Japan, and then its back to the states, so i will test it out then.

11-06-2007, 04:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
TVISMR2 WTF mate Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	They don't work and they are fugly Mister22u ur car looks nice as is

11-06-2007, 07:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
TomsMR2 Formerly Tom Brokaw Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,042 Thanks: 8 Thanked 152 Times in 129 Posts Blog Entries: 1 iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	air flows in the sides and bottom, and out the top. the scoops try to make it do the opposite of what the cars naturally designs to do. you cant buy the toms airbox any more, so the scoops are 100% useless. originally they came on the left side only and sealed to a lower intake box, which would force air in. IF you had the box there might be a marginal gain only at speed. at low speeds it would only act like a loooooong tube intake and give you throttle lag and less response. but again, you cant buy the airbox so its really just useless. .. plus they look like clam genitalia strapped to your roof just say no.

11-06-2007, 07:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
jdm ding-dong Cage Fighter Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 101 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	lololll i had a deal for both for a 100$, guess il pass hihi

11-06-2007, 08:40 AM	#6 (permalink)
baktasht EMSPowered.com Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,764 Thanks: 15 Thanked 95 Times in 83 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (25/100% )	They're for looks. They cause excessive drag and slow you down. There's no performance gain.

11-06-2007, 11:17 AM	#7 (permalink)
Mister22u Mad Skillz Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 105 Thanks: 7 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Thanks for the help! I could see a decent gain in cold air if it worked as a snorkel, but I didn't know they didn't come with an airbox, so they are just for looks (or lack thereof). BTW - would you suggest just getting a $20 aluminum intake off of ebay, or is there one that everyone swears by?

11-06-2007, 11:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
hmong337 Emperor Jspec Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 847 Thanks: 94 Thanked 45 Times in 44 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	i personally love the look of these scoops

11-09-2007, 12:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
butter nuts The Dissident Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 460 Thanks: 10 Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	They are only for looks. Tasteless, gawdy, ricer looks.

11-09-2007, 11:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
Wheelman_13 I need an adapter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 161 Thanks: 13 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	The only application where I've seen a Toms scoop make sense was on a MkII I saw at a nopi show a couple of years ago. The fellow was running a top-mount IC on the drivers side (where the airbox sits in a stock car), the scoop sat just over that, and he had a sucker fan underneath. His intake was on the passenger side (the turbo had been re-oriented to accomodate this ) where the stock IC would sit. This let him run a larger IC than one could fit in the stock location, and still have cold air flowing through it. That said, in any relatively stock application, the scoop is just going to increase the frontal area of the car with respect to wind drag (which increases with the square of vehicle speed), which would easily offset any marginal HP gain once you accelerated past parking lot speed.

12-10-2007, 11:49 AM	#14 (permalink)
GINA2MR2 Not A VR6 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: J-Town Posts: 255 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	when you change the lenght of the intake you do get more power.. im my GTI i added a polished pipe about 7inches longer then the stock one and it hauled ass.. ricers beware..

12-10-2007, 11:11 PM	#17 (permalink)
VeilsideMR2 91' N/A BeAsT Join Date: May 2007 Location: Jerzy Posts: 197 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	^Lol^ And btw, how does the engine bay open up correctly with these scoops or even the bomex scoops??? it looks like it would scrape the car and the scoop wouldn't clear it... does it clear or is it opened a different way?