6 Speed Tranny.

[Mark_Dorman]

That's a good point as far as the 2zz goes. But then I started thinking...

The 2zz puts out around 130-135 ft-lbs of torque and about 180-190 hp.
Now the 5S puts out around 145 ft-lbs of torque and about 130-135 hp.

Here's the kicker which we all know. The 2zz's dry weight is 250 lbs (for the long block). The 5s-fe's dry weight for the long block is around 350 lbs. So right away you save about 100 lbs by using the 2zz.

Then you take into account the weight of a newer 6 speed which should weigh at least the same if not less than the NA 5 speed. So if you drop 100 lbs to loose 10 ft-lbs of torque but gain ~50 hp...it's not too bad a trade off.

Now you can talk about upsetting the balance...which could be fixed by running the battery out of the trunk (take 30 lbs or so lets say and move it from the front to the back). Remove the spare tire and there you have your 42/58 weight distribution.

Over all though it would still come down to preference and money. The 2zz isn't super cheap but it does have a supercharger ...

Just some food for thought...

[mr220v]

yeah, but if you use the celica gts's performance as a predictor of what a 2zz mk2 would do, it would be ok but not great.

Then you have have to pay a lot for the motor in the first place, then you have to do a reverse mk1.5 swap, so at the end of the day you've spent more money and done more work than if you had simply installed a gen3 3sge, which would give you about the same result, and is bolt-in and is easier to wire.

Too bad no AZ series motor came with a GE head.

[328FTW]

Originally Posted by mr220v

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...Picture011.jpg

That's the worst thing i've seen in a while. It looks like some kind of 3sge swap into a mk1 where the guy only had a celica transmission

Correct assumption (the celica part)

Originally Posted by mr220v

didn't want to spend the money on an mr2 transmission

Also right, wasn't a question of want it was that I had/have no money. Dunno if you noticed but the pipes are also reused and most other things. I have no money it all goes to uni fees and living costs.

Originally Posted by mr220v

didn't want to do the selectorshaft drillout trick, and had unlimited time to come up with this.

Kinda I didn't have an mr2 selector shaft I needed that for another box that I did drill. So I needed another solution

Originally Posted by mr220v

Totally unnecessary.

Perhaps but not everyone has money and equipment. I have a lot of crap but a bunch of selector shafts was not one, I'm also down on stuff since those ***gots found my parts rack and trashed it. I've raced the car several times and it's top of its class and its fallen apart once but that was my bad for using an incorrect pin. I'm not going boast how awesome it is just that it's what I had.

[1stgen]

Originally Posted by 328FTW

Correct assumption (the celica part)


Also right, wasn't a question of want it was that I had/have no money. Dunno if you noticed but the pipes are also reused and most other things. I have no money it all goes to uni fees and living costs.


Kinda I didn't have an mr2 selector shaft I needed that for another box that I did drill. So I needed another solution


Perhaps but not everyone has money and equipment. I have a lot of crap but a bunch of selector shafts was not one, I'm also down on stuff since those ***gots found my parts rack and trashed it. I've raced the car several times and it's top of its class and its fallen apart once but that was my bad for using an incorrect pin. I'm not going boast how awesome it is just that it's what I had.

I framed it for its inginuity and the utter disregard to the "NORM" you sir are my type of car modder..If I was able to find a 6 speed to bolt up but not able to drill out I would indeed make a bracket contraption in the same fashion to use it. You are indeed my Mr2 hero.. So piss on the nay sayers and keep staying on top of your brackets..heres to you Mr I Mod my MR2 for Function not for in the Box thinking Guy...(not being sarcastic in any way..)

[mr220v]

Originally Posted by 328FTW

Perhaps but not everyone has money and equipment. I have a lot of crap but a bunch of selector shafts was not one, I'm also down on stuff since those ***gots found my parts rack and trashed it. I've raced the car several times and it's top of its class and its fallen apart once but that was my bad for using an incorrect pin. I'm not going boast how awesome it is just that it's what I had.

Money and equipment? All you need is 1" and 5/16" paddlebits. $10 maybe. I don't know about the availability of dead mk2 mr2 transmissions in NZ, but you could probably get somebody to send you the parts for $50.

Here's a writeup on how it's done:

MKI MR2 Write-ups

This is to a c52, but the same applies to the s54.

[mr220v]

Originally Posted by 1stgen

So piss on the nay sayers and keep staying on top of your brackets..heres to you Mr I Mod my

I was going to check to see if the C and S bellhousings shared the same pattern at the box. I've got them sitting right here....but I think at this point I'm not going to go to the trouble. You figure it out for yourself.

[1stgen]

Originally Posted by mr220v

I was going to check to see if the C and S bellhousings shared the same pattern at the box. I've got them sitting right here....but I think at this point I'm not going to go to the trouble. You figure it out for yourself.

Funny..my point being was dont knock other people s**t..take your ball and go home if thats your contribution to the thread..

Im not sure if youve ever done budget racing or racing as a general hobby but it is not for the poor or even working class...as parts are freaking expensive..when you have more than one car to keep on making a fab bracket vs drilling out a tranny seems like a perfectly good option..50USD could be spent somewhere else when the bracket was free and 328FTMFW!

[328FTW]

Originally Posted by mr220v

Money and equipment? All you need is 1" and 5/16" paddlebits. $10 maybe. I don't know about the availability of dead mk2 mr2 transmissions in NZ, but you could probably get somebody to send you the parts for $50.

Here's a writeup on how it's done:

MKI MR2 Write-ups

This is to a c52, but the same applies to the s54.

I've drilled boxes in fact my mkII is running one after the original blew up. All I see is a difference in ideals because I personally don't see the need to spend any money when it shifts like butter as it stands. I just got home from racing it this minute and it came third in class for the day and took 3 people for rides in it......2 of which enjoyed it....the other was scared sh**less

Originally Posted by 1stgen

Funny..my point being was dont knock other people s**t..take your ball and go home if thats your contribution to the thread..

Im not sure if youve ever done budget racing or racing as a general hobby but it is not for the poor or even working class...as parts are freaking expensive..when you have more than one car to keep on making a fab bracket vs drilling out a tranny seems like a perfectly good option..50USD could be spent somewhere else when the bracket was free and 328FTMFW!

My point in a not so subtle manner It's basically the nail on the head I have 6 cars that I'm trying to keep running any way possible, I can't really afford 6 cars in reality but reality is overrated anyway

I could post videos of some of the cars that turned out today and you would sh** yourself at what they have spent on them..........and they still don't have anywhere near the fun I have in my old 2. I will continue doing such things to my car and I intend to have fun with it, I'm not worried about people that don't approve of what I do or knock on it I can guarantee that its the last thing on my mind when I'm out having fun in it......shifting all the while of course Getting pissy about it won't change a thing and neither will arguing.

[MR JAS]

lol though "ghetto shifter" might pop up sooner or later in this thread

i disagree with needing money for modification
it just takes some though but yes tools are generally necessary

my view when it comes to mods are there are three aspects , cheap , reliable , good looking
problem lies in the fact it can only ever be two of these at once


ive noticed the americans have a very
'it has to be new" or "it has to be genuine oem" attitude for dd then that norm works best long term but there is no reason why backyard engineering wont work 99% of the time

keep in mind 328ftw and me both have race cars toteling in at well under $1000 that whoop the **** out of many respectable cars in our fields of racing
for example 328ftw beats group n subarus
and my $500 honda eats gtr skylines and supras etc for breakfast

reason... we make **** example i have fully custom suspension it cost me total $50 and a bit of time the same thing name brand off a shelf costs over $1200 and mine prob works better



NZ **** YEA


(after work rant complete)

[mr220v]

Originally Posted by 1stgen

Funny..my point being was dont knock other people s**t..take your ball and go home if thats your contribution to the thread..

Im not sure if youve ever done budget racing or racing as a general hobby but it is not for the poor or even working class...as parts are freaking expensive..when you have more than one car to keep on making a fab bracket vs drilling out a tranny seems like a perfectly good option..50USD could be spent somewhere else when the bracket was free and 328FTMFW!

All i'm saying is that he found a very very complicated solution to an easy problem. Sure it took some good skills to fab that up and make it work, but once again, that's the most difficult way of solving that problem that can be found. The amount of work to save $50 makes me cringe.

[Medusa]

But does it make him cringe to do that work instead of spend $50? Obviously not. Some people value $50 a lot more then others do.

[MR JAS]

Originally Posted by mr220v

All i'm saying is that he found a very very complicated solution to an easy problem. Sure it took some good skills to fab that up and make it work, but once again, that's the most difficult way of solving that problem that can be found. The amount of work to save $50 makes me cringe.

hmmm quick question
how long do you think that took him to fab up?

p.s. some people find pleasure in making things by hand and seeing them work

also being a race car this has now left doors open
if or should i say when he blows up a gearbox he now has the option of a mr2 or celica or camry box that will drop straight in with no mods

[mr220v]

Originally Posted by MR JAS

hmmm quick question
how long do you think that took him to fab up?

p.s. some people find pleasure in making things by hand and seeing them work

also being a race car this has now left doors open
if or should i say when he blows up a gearbox he now has the option of a mr2 or celica or camry box that will drop straight in with no mods

Don't know? Longer than it takes doing it the other way I'm certain.

I don't argue that it doesn't work. Only that it's the most roundabout way of avoiding drilling 2 holes and finding a few used parts.

[Jason.MZW20]

Originally Posted by mr220v

The fwd toyota 6speeds are even shorter. It would be horrible on a v6.

The C series, yeah, but not the EA/EB series. They are double duty transaxles (i.e. gas and diesel engines), so they have a good range of gear ratios. The Evora ratios are best suited to the 2GR or any other V6, but you have to remember, Lotus bumps the 2GR's rev limit to 7000rpm with the sport package and gearing.

EA trans thread

[Mark_Dorman]

It'd be awesome to get a hold of a Lotus Evora Trans and ECU