how can I beat a G35?? - Page 2

MR JAS · 11-19-2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mrjimmyx

.. I droped it once around 5k and it spinned like 3 whole turns. Ill try 45-4700ish.

lol i can drop it at redline and it doesnt spin them
lsd and 225/50R15toyo proxes ftw (for the win * grandpa)

mmarookiejoe · 11-19-2009, 08:04 AM

I had an '04 G35 Coupe (auto); My only mods were a Motordyne Plenum spacer, and Z Tube w/ JWT Popcharger. I have an aquaintance that has a 91 MR2 w/ a Gen 2 3sgte and some ebay intake and headers... He could barely hang with my G35...

That being said, I sold my G35 and kept my Mr2... I'm not knocking the MR2, I'm just saying that drag racing a G35 isn't in your best interest unless you plan on dumping some $$$ into your 2.

IDon'tKnow · 11-19-2009, 08:50 AM

I didn't realize that you had so much time before the race, and I also didn't bother to read everyone elses response befor posting the same thing that had been said four times.

I remeber reading some import magazine five or six years ago and there was an article about a guy who had written in asking a question similar to yours. He had a stipulation though that no money could be spent on the project. He was driving a new sentra if I remeber correctly. The magazine just stripped to whole car down to nothing and it improved the 1/4 mile time by a little over two seconds.

Obvoisly you don't want to show up to the race looking like an idiot so that really isn't an option for you. Do take out the spare and passenger seat though. Also, practicing your launch and running a 90% empty tank are great ideas.

Now, as for cheap things you can do over the next month to give you and edge.
Fabricate a straight pipe exhaust to eliminate your cat and muffler. Of course you only want to run that on race day. Smaller and lighter wheel will also give you a gearing advantage. You can calculate your wheel size to give you the top of the rev range in 5th gear as you cross the finish line (might actually have to fourth gear).

Also, you don't want to rule out a light shot of nitrous. Even a 20 shot will give you a big advantage.

IDon'tKnow · 11-19-2009, 08:58 AM

Accourding to the TODA Racing website, you can use any of their cams on the factory spring in the 2nd gen 3s..... That's a big cost advantage for a big cam upgrade compared to someone who has the dig deeper into the valvetrain ..... you would probably enjoy having them even after the race.

mrjimmyx · 11-19-2009, 12:51 PM

so... I guess Ill just rely on weight advantage since my cousins pretty big and im smaller. lol... NOS does sound like a good idea.

Levi_ · 11-19-2009, 02:25 PM

Ok listen up, you can do this easily here is what you have to do first.

1.) Learn to drive, you do NOT dump the clutch, you SLIP the clutch during a launch. You must practice this before hand!!! Try reving to 4k, slipping the clutch, keeping the gas constant the whole time and once you stop spinning (you should barely spin) then floor the gas. This is the single most important thing you can do to improve your time.

2.) Free mods - Weight Reduction
Remove your spare tire, trunk carpet liner, interior fire wall carpet behind the seats, and if the track allows it, your passenger seat (4 bolts holding it down, 2 infront, 2 inback, slide the seat to get access.

All of those items take about 5 minutes to remove and 5 minutes to re-install and will save a significant portion of weight. Keep in mind that the approximate rule is every 100 lbs saved improves your time by .1 seconds. All of these items will remove approximately 150 lbs of weight = very good.

3.) When your at the track, run with 1/4 gas, no more. More gas = more weight.

4.) If you have a $20 timing gun you can advance your timing to 15-17 deg and have a little more midrange pep. Search for how to do this but it is really easy, just use the gun to find your timing, loosen the 2x bolts holding the distributor, and rotate it to adjust the timing.

If you do these things and your friend can't drive you should win.

Also, street tires shouldn't need to do a burnout before so don't worry about that.

ebouwman · 11-21-2009, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mrjimmyx

lol... you guys are crazy. but yeah show down is supposed to be sometime in january. Might I add I did manage to beat a G35 from a roll. only by my front bumper. lol... then we stoped. Honestly I've been waiting for my cousin to race me in his G35 for a while after he stomped my 5s. lol... As for fuel I guess Ill just stick with regular 93. Also my buddie's getting his twin turbo Z ready for me also. lol... Hopefully It all works out for my 3s. If not, I'm comming back in 5yrs with my project BEAMS ^_^....

Oh that's tonnes of time for your diet!

mrjimmyx · 11-21-2009, 06:55 PM

So I've been on youtube lately. lol... seems that them G35's are like 13 sec cars. lol... so the guy I raced was probably a ****ty driver. That sucks! I guess I have no chance unless I supercharged/turbo. Well, I'll just use what I've got.

Oteck · 11-21-2009, 07:26 PM

how to beat a g35? sell the 5s mk2 and buy a faster car. that the best way

mattdouken · 11-21-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Oteck

how to beat a g35? sell the 5s mk2 and buy a faster car. that the best way

He has a 3rd gen 3S-GE.............

Oteck · 11-21-2009, 08:15 PM

i miss that part but still, not the right car :P

Bama420 · 11-21-2009, 10:46 PM

No remotely stock N/A MR2 will ever beat a G35, unless you are completely built on nitrous and he's stock, running ****ty and a bad driver. Sorry, won't happen.

mattdouken · 11-22-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bama420

No remotely stock N/A MR2 will ever beat a G35, unless you are completely built on nitrous and he's stock, running ****ty and a bad driver. Sorry, won't happen.

Gunna have to disagree with ya, I have seen a 5s with headers, exhaust, intake and stage 2 clutch, launch on a 350z and the 350z didnt catch him till about the top of 4th.The z driver wasnt a bad driver, the two just made a monstrous jump on the light. Trust me, if the OP can learn to hook well, He may have a chance. A G35 won't hook like a two and the weight difference will help. The G35 doesnt have that much power over the Two let alone already 900lbs heavier.

MR2TRD1 · 11-22-2009, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mattdouken

thought i would chime in....um a G35 Weighs 3600lbs, and with true dual exhaust, cold air intake, plenum spacer, and a high flow lower plenum they only get 243whp and 236wtq. I'm sure with a good launch and a little weight out of your two, you should beat him.

Cold air intake does NOTHING on the VQ35DE motor FYI. At best the airbox from the '05+ RevUp VQ engines with the velocity stack may provide ~4hp to the crank on the top side. Stock airbox, K&N drop in, and the intake tube from the 350Z is the cheapest and best intake.

I'm running a non RevUp VQ with all the bolt-ons and no tuning. With tuning some have seen upper 250'swhp. The 5SFE or 3SGE may do well off the line, but they will suffer past 80mph.

mattdouken · 11-22-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MR2TRD1

Cold air intake does NOTHING on the VQ35DE motor FYI. At best the airbox from the '05+ RevUp VQ engines with the velocity stack may provide ~4hp to the crank on the top side. Stock airbox, K&N drop in, and the intake tube from the 350Z is the cheapest and best intake.

I'm running a non RevUp VQ with all the bolt-ons and no tuning. With tuning some have seen upper 250'swhp. The 5SFE or 3SGE may do well off the line, but they will suffer past 80mph.

Thank you for that...I was waiting for someone to try and be a A$$, Sorry to cut you down but I have Modified mag with a 06' G35 with a "Revup" VQ35DE, They put a stillen true dual exhaust, stillen intake, and Motordyne MREV2 lower plenum + spacer. It's only dyno proven @ 243whp -6271RPM and 236wtq -4575PRM. (Also think the stock VQ motor in the 06' G35 according to wiki is 298hp and 258tq @ the crank and they say they got generous with the numbers) -So if according to these dyno numbers with these add on parts, In stock form the G35 looses near 100 hp?

So before you wanna pull number out your A$$, Do some research.

MR2TRD1 · 11-22-2009, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mattdouken

Thank you for that...I was waiting for someone to try and be a A$$, Sorry to cut you down but I have Modified mag with a 06' G35 with a "Revup" VQ35DE, They put a stillen true dual exhaust, stillen intake, and Motordyne MREV2 lower plenum + spacer. It's only dyno proven @ 243whp -6271RPM and 236wtq -4575PRM. (Also think the stock VQ motor in the 06' G35 according to wiki is 298hp and 258tq @ the crank and they say they got generous with the numbers) -So if according to these dyno numbers with these add on parts, In stock form the G35 looses near 100 hp?

So before you wanna pull number out your A$$, Do some research.

Kid, you need to stop picking the wrong battles. Please don't try to insult me with Wikipedia and the crusty magazine sitting by your toilet.

Do some research? Well lets see, when I'm trying to figure out how to modify my G35 and get the best bang for the buck one would think I would do some research considering parts aren't cheap for these cars. I did plenty of research and would be happy to enlighten you, but since you don't own a G its pointless. My statement still stands. 0-60 goes to the MR2....60+ the G will overtake

So stop taking **** personal and being a baby. Man up and debate with good arguments.

mattdouken · 11-22-2009, 03:03 AM

You can't argue with dyno proof. I have seen a lightly modded G35 get taken by a stock 2nd gen 3sgte, the OP may stand a chance.

But yes, after 60 who knows.

mrjimmyx · 11-22-2009, 02:30 PM

Honestly I think My car will do good even 60+ on a G35 I kinda messed around with a 350z on highway with my 300pnd cousin in my car. yeah I loose but it wont be that bad if its stock. I learned how to slip the clutch today. 4700 will be my launch point in 1st gear. But yeah, when we do race I guess this will settle your guys argument about a G35 and the deuce. Ill make sure to have a video camera.

mattdouken · 11-22-2009, 03:07 PM

Argument is such a negative term, call it a "conflict of interest"

But yes, do bring a camera.

MR2enV · 11-22-2009, 11:44 PM

remove anything that can be put on after the race.... put some headers on that thing... EMS headers are good but wont bolt on to a 3rd gen... so take your stock headers with the after market ones and have them cut the flange off the stock ones and cut the after market flange, the weld the 3rd gen flange on... best bang for your buck.... get a fuel pressure regulator- put pressure around 30psi.. get afc, or some type of basic piggy back and go get it tuned... 3rd gens come with decent cam profiles so and decent compression so honestly a MSD btm and a 65 shot of nitrous can easily be handled by it... you can rape his g35 trust me.. ive done it with my second gen and my boys starlet with a 3rd gen we have beat 350z's g35's s2's hatches and coupes with h22's k20s and much much more..... you gotta learn your shift points bro.... in the end it comes down to the driver....

11-22-2009, 03:03 AM	#37 (permalink)
mattdouken Got That Filth Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Greensboro,NC Posts: 326 Thanks: 27 Thanked 18 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	You can't argue with dyno proof. I have seen a lightly modded G35 get taken by a stock 2nd gen 3sgte, the OP may stand a chance. But yes, after 60 who knows. Last edited by mattdouken; 11-22-2009 at 03:13 AM..

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11-19-2009, 08:04 AM	#22 (permalink)
mmarookiejoe Thesaurus-boy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 377 Thanks: 10 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	I had an '04 G35 Coupe (auto); My only mods were a Motordyne Plenum spacer, and Z Tube w/ JWT Popcharger. I have an aquaintance that has a 91 MR2 w/ a Gen 2 3sgte and some ebay intake and headers... He could barely hang with my G35... That being said, I sold my G35 and kept my Mr2... I'm not knocking the MR2, I'm just saying that drag racing a G35 isn't in your best interest unless you plan on dumping some $$$ into your 2.

11-19-2009, 08:50 AM	#23 (permalink)
IDon'tKnow but I can find out. Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 178 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	I didn't realize that you had so much time before the race, and I also didn't bother to read everyone elses response befor posting the same thing that had been said four times. I remeber reading some import magazine five or six years ago and there was an article about a guy who had written in asking a question similar to yours. He had a stipulation though that no money could be spent on the project. He was driving a new sentra if I remeber correctly. The magazine just stripped to whole car down to nothing and it improved the 1/4 mile time by a little over two seconds. Obvoisly you don't want to show up to the race looking like an idiot so that really isn't an option for you. Do take out the spare and passenger seat though. Also, practicing your launch and running a 90% empty tank are great ideas. Now, as for cheap things you can do over the next month to give you and edge. Fabricate a straight pipe exhaust to eliminate your cat and muffler. Of course you only want to run that on race day. Smaller and lighter wheel will also give you a gearing advantage. You can calculate your wheel size to give you the top of the rev range in 5th gear as you cross the finish line (might actually have to fourth gear). Also, you don't want to rule out a light shot of nitrous. Even a 20 shot will give you a big advantage.

11-19-2009, 08:58 AM	#24 (permalink)
IDon'tKnow but I can find out. Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 178 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Accourding to the TODA Racing website, you can use any of their cams on the factory spring in the 2nd gen 3s..... That's a big cost advantage for a big cam upgrade compared to someone who has the dig deeper into the valvetrain ..... you would probably enjoy having them even after the race.

11-19-2009, 12:51 PM	#25 (permalink)
mrjimmyx Cage Fighter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 260 Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	so... I guess Ill just rely on weight advantage since my cousins pretty big and im smaller. lol... NOS does sound like a good idea.

11-19-2009, 02:25 PM	#26 (permalink)
Levi_ Some Skills Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Ok listen up, you can do this easily here is what you have to do first. 1.) Learn to drive, you do NOT dump the clutch, you SLIP the clutch during a launch. You must practice this before hand!!! Try reving to 4k, slipping the clutch, keeping the gas constant the whole time and once you stop spinning (you should barely spin) then floor the gas. This is the single most important thing you can do to improve your time. 2.) Free mods - Weight Reduction Remove your spare tire, trunk carpet liner, interior fire wall carpet behind the seats, and if the track allows it, your passenger seat (4 bolts holding it down, 2 infront, 2 inback, slide the seat to get access. All of those items take about 5 minutes to remove and 5 minutes to re-install and will save a significant portion of weight. Keep in mind that the approximate rule is every 100 lbs saved improves your time by .1 seconds. All of these items will remove approximately 150 lbs of weight = very good. 3.) When your at the track, run with 1/4 gas, no more. More gas = more weight. 4.) If you have a $20 timing gun you can advance your timing to 15-17 deg and have a little more midrange pep. Search for how to do this but it is really easy, just use the gun to find your timing, loosen the 2x bolts holding the distributor, and rotate it to adjust the timing. If you do these things and your friend can't drive you should win. Also, street tires shouldn't need to do a burnout before so don't worry about that.

11-21-2009, 06:55 PM	#28 (permalink)
mrjimmyx Cage Fighter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 260 Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	So I've been on youtube lately. lol... seems that them G35's are like 13 sec cars. lol... so the guy I raced was probably a ****ty driver. That sucks! I guess I have no chance unless I supercharged/turbo. Well, I'll just use what I've got.

11-21-2009, 07:26 PM	#29 (permalink)
Oteck RAAAGE! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Burnaby B.C. Posts: 2,520 Thanks: 9 Thanked 64 Times in 61 Posts Blog Entries: 2 iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	how to beat a g35? sell the 5s mk2 and buy a faster car. that the best way

11-21-2009, 08:15 PM	#31 (permalink)
Oteck RAAAGE! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Burnaby B.C. Posts: 2,520 Thanks: 9 Thanked 64 Times in 61 Posts Blog Entries: 2 iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	i miss that part but still, not the right car :P

11-21-2009, 10:46 PM	#32 (permalink)
Bama420 it's my girlfriend's car. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	No remotely stock N/A MR2 will ever beat a G35, unless you are completely built on nitrous and he's stock, running ****ty and a bad driver. Sorry, won't happen.

11-22-2009, 02:30 PM	#38 (permalink)
mrjimmyx Cage Fighter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 260 Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Honestly I think My car will do good even 60+ on a G35 I kinda messed around with a 350z on highway with my 300pnd cousin in my car. yeah I loose but it wont be that bad if its stock. I learned how to slip the clutch today. 4700 will be my launch point in 1st gear. But yeah, when we do race I guess this will settle your guys argument about a G35 and the deuce. Ill make sure to have a video camera.

11-22-2009, 03:07 PM	#39 (permalink)
mattdouken Got That Filth Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Greensboro,NC Posts: 326 Thanks: 27 Thanked 18 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Argument is such a negative term, call it a "conflict of interest" But yes, do bring a camera.

11-22-2009, 11:44 PM	#40 (permalink)
MR2enV WHY SO SERIOUS? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Miramar, Florida Posts: 529 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/83% )	remove anything that can be put on after the race.... put some headers on that thing... EMS headers are good but wont bolt on to a 3rd gen... so take your stock headers with the after market ones and have them cut the flange off the stock ones and cut the after market flange, the weld the 3rd gen flange on... best bang for your buck.... get a fuel pressure regulator- put pressure around 30psi.. get afc, or some type of basic piggy back and go get it tuned... 3rd gens come with decent cam profiles so and decent compression so honestly a MSD btm and a 65 shot of nitrous can easily be handled by it... you can rape his g35 trust me.. ive done it with my second gen and my boys starlet with a 3rd gen we have beat 350z's g35's s2's hatches and coupes with h22's k20s and much much more..... you gotta learn your shift points bro.... in the end it comes down to the driver....