5SFE for free

[mannysmr2]

A guy is giving away a 5SFE engine pulled from a 91 MR2. Its just missing the exhaust manifold, engine harness, and most electrical stuff. What could I do with it? How bout a 5SGTE? Or should I just have it for parts just incase my 2 needs something in the future? I mean its free and I might have a use for it in the future.

[Mister2.2]

Keep it for a spare for the day you need to replace yours. Or build it up over that time when you can, cams headers intake all that jaz, maybe build some ITBs and save up for a stand alone and dyno tune.

[PETC]

Build a 200 RWHP NA 5SFE without changing the head itself and prove it can be done.

[Mach2]

Originally Posted by PETC

Build a 200 RWHP NA 5SFE without changing the head itself and prove it can be done.

+1 Fazillion..

[mannysmr2]

what if i wanted to built a 5sgte. what would i need exactly and does anyone know someone that has done it??

[Mach2]

*runs and dives behind the desk*

[PETC]

Originally Posted by mannysmr2

what if i wanted to built a 5sgte. what would i need exactly and does anyone know someone that has done it??

How to say this without offending anyone....

In my opinion, these are the things you should do with a 5SFE:

1. Drive it like the Camry motor that it is.
2. Basic bolt ons just for some extra umpf.
3. Ditch it for a better platform (3SGE/GTE/V6)
4. No-holds-bared NA build without changing the head.

When you change the head it just destroys the point of building a 5SFE if you ask me, because why go through the bother of changing the head and creating a whole new motor when you can just buy a motor that was already designed to operate with that head anyways?

Have people made a 5SGTE? I don't think so.

People have made a 5SGE, and many 5SFTEs, however, I think building a 5SGTE would be rather pointless considering you could just either build a 5SFTE or install a 3SGTE.

[Mister2.2]

5SGTE = 3SGTE Stroker.

Why why why? Why must people always ask why? Do what you want to do, innovation is a great thing. I'm sick of hearing the 'it's a Camry motor' crap, we could apply that to many performance engines (as well as the v6) that were stuck in none performance cars, drop it already!

[Mach2]

*peeks head up from behind desk*
Is it over yet?,

J/K PETC not to repost the whole thing again but I dont get it, what diffrence does it make what head you use and what you call it after you do it? No one has yet to explain this to me, yet I see people against this mod all the time..

Originally Posted by Mach2

I have never understood this comment..

Im not trying to dig old dirt but I would like this settled for myself once and for all and any one feel free to convince me..

1) an engine is an engine, they all have good and bad qualities. Being that it is an engine it has potential, when you fix the weak points and find that the actual block / bottom end / block start to break, IMHO are when you see its actual ability, along with how well they hold up under a good tune and the right parts.


4) Why is it not a 5s anymore if you do something diffrent to it? I really dont get it, If I use the same block diffrent head, or diffrent internals what makes it not a 5s? If I showed you 2, 2.2 5sfe motors one with stock heads and one modified or a better flowing head and better bottom end that didnt have any nomenclatrue on the block could you tell the diffrence? Whats the big deal with what you call it? Does it really matter?

[PETC]

Well, the big argument is really not IF the 5SFE could make 200 RWHP, but why (the word that Mister2.2 hates) would you do it when other platforms are much cheaper and performance oriented.

Lots of people have made 200 RWHP with 5SFTEs, and I think 5SGEs (Not positive on that), so that's really not an argument. The 5SFTE is pretty easy and affordable, and I'm not sure how expensive/difficult making a 5SGE would be, but it does require some work.

Really, what everyone wants to see, is a 5SFE, still using the original DOHC FE head, not converted to the twin cam GE head, making 200 NA HP to the ground.

If someone could do that, and keep track of what they did and how much it cost them, many more people would investigate making more power out of the 5SFE, but as it sits right now it's uncharted territory, and uncharted territory means dumping lots of money, lots of time, and lots of tuning into a Camry motor, and lots of people just don't want to do the leg work when it would be cheaper to buy a 3SGE/GTE/V6 and make more power out of the box.

<my opinion>
Do I think it's possible?
Of course.
Do I think it would be cool?
Sure.
Do I love my 5SFE for autox?
Yes.
Would I spend my time/money on a Camry 4 cylinder?
No.
</my opinion>

[Mach2]

I agree with like 99% of what you said, go figure. I think my only thing is- and this goes for everyone - dont deter a would be 5sfte'er or a 5sfge'er who may just have the time / money to do it. I am however for telling some one it will be an expensive venture but they will enjoy it same as the first guy to look at a 1.8li Honda and go hmmm what if?

I just realized no one answered the nomenclature question.. what diffrence does it make putting a diffrent head on a 2.2 block and calling it a built / modified 5sfe?

Originally Posted by PETC

Well, the big argument is really not IF the 5SFE could make 200 RWHP, but why (the word that Mister2.2 hates) would you do it when other platforms are much cheaper and performance oriented.

Lots of people have made 200 RWHP with 5SFTEs, and I think 5SGEs (Not positive on that), so that's really not an argument. The 5SFTE is pretty easy and affordable, and I'm not sure how expensive/difficult making a 5SGE would be, but it does require some work.

Really, what everyone wants to see, is a 5SFE, still using the original DOHC FE head, not converted to the twin cam GE head, making 200 NA HP to the ground.

If someone could do that, and keep track of what they did and how much it cost them, many more people would investigate making more power out of the 5SFE, but as it sits right now it's uncharted territory, and uncharted territory means dumping lots of money, lots of time, and lots of tuning into a Camry motor, and lots of people just don't want to do the leg work when it would be cheaper to buy a 3SGE/GTE/V6 and make more power out of the box.

<my opinion>
Do I think it's possible?
Of course.
Do I think it would be cool?
Sure.
Do I love my 5SFE for autox?
Yes.
Would I spend my time/money on a Camry 4 cylinder?
No.
</my opinion>

[mr220v]

You forgot one question. Do I think its cost effective? Absolutely positively not. I'm quite sure there are people with 4k in their 5sfes making 150whp or less.

[Mach2]

Originally Posted by mr220v

You forgot one question. Do I think its cost effective? Absolutely positively not. I'm quite sure there are people with 4k in their 5sfes making 150whp or less.

I remeber hearing from a old gear head that if you are really worried about money then isnt the place for you excpecially breaking new ground.

[mr220v]

Originally Posted by Mach2

I remeber hearing from a old gear head that if you are really worried about money then isnt the place for you excpecially breaking new ground.

Great, then break that ground on an engine where it will actually make a difference.

Actually you aren't breaking ground, you're reinventing the wheel. Toyota already designed a performance NA S series motor. Its called the 3sge.

I suppose it would also be expensive to make the first steam powered mr2.

[PETC]

Originally Posted by Mach2

I agree with like 99% of what you said, go figure. I think my only thing is- and this goes for everyone - dont deter a would be 5sfte'er or a 5sfge'er who may just have the time / money to do it. I am however for telling some one it will be an expensive venture but they will enjoy it same as the first guy to look at a 1.8li Honda and go hmmm what if?

I just realized no one answered the nomenclature question.. what diffrence does it make putting a diffrent head on a 2.2 block and calling it a built / modified 5sfe?

The engine code 5SFE is broken down this way.

5 = Revision
S = Block
F = "Economical" DOHC head (22 degree angles about) NOT Twin Cam!
E = Fuel Injected

Therefore if you put a true twincam head on it, say, from the 3SGE, you would turn the motor into a 5SGE, which is changing the motor entirely! You're no longer building a 5SFE

I hope that clarifies.

[mr220v]

Originally Posted by PETC

The engine code 5SFE is broken down this way.

5 = Revision
S = Block
F = "Economical" DOHC head (22 degree angles about) NOT Twin Cam!
E = Fuel Injected

Therefore if you put a true twincam head on it, say, from the 3SGE, you would turn the motor into a 5SGE, which is changing the motor entirely! You're no longer building a 5SFE

I hope that clarifies.

It is twin cam, just not twin cam gear.

[PETC]

No. It is DOHC.

Twin Cam refers to motors that have IDENTICAL Cams except of course for their lift/duration. The 3SGE is a Twin Cam, so is the 4AGE, all FE motors are DOHC, but not Twin Cam.

Twin Cam engines are DOHC as well, but DOHC motors are not necesarily Twin Cam motors.

Much like a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.