Adding turbo to 2.2...?

wagonis · 11-04-2006, 09:44 PM

A buddy of mine decided to check out homemadeturbo.com and put together a turbo for his Chevy Malibu for under $600. The difference it made in this car was amazing, who would have thought this little Chevy can move. So I was wondering, anybody ever put a Turbo on a 5S-FE? And what would you guys think about a project like that?

canadam · 11-04-2006, 09:54 PM

I think the best quote I've seen regarding a question like yours is:

Cheap, reliable, fast. Pick two."

wagonis · 11-04-2006, 10:03 PM

I'll take fast and reliable, but has anyone ever done it? And were they able to use any parts from the MR2T?

canadam · 11-04-2006, 10:18 PM

Lots of people have built 2.2L stroker 3SGTEs with the 5SFE crank.

You can turbo the 5SFE, and you can use some 3SGTE parts, but it could end up being quite costly.

Most people will suggest that you just swap your engine for a 3SGTE and take advantage of the Toyota engineering and quality. There's a lot of things about the 3SGTE that are different than the 5SFE because it was designed for a turbo application.

Definately something to think about

wagonis · 11-04-2006, 11:15 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I've read, it seems as if I have to swap quite a lot to be able to use the 3SGTE...meaning tranny, axles, harness, etc...adding a turbo to an existing 5SFE will be more of a bolt on job instead of a swap.

After driving a '94 Civic HB D15B7, my '91 MR2 NA seems like a rocket, so I wonder what I would be like with the added turbo.

veritas731 · 11-05-2006, 02:26 AM

most of the stuff from the 3SGTE will bolt right on. I might do this in a few years, but will most likely just step up to the better motor of the 3S

Hiighboost2 · 11-05-2006, 03:39 AM

I found a fs thread on another forum from a while back.
Heres a pic of the engine bay, kinda small tho

Click the pic to see the fs thread

wagonis · 11-05-2006, 09:07 AM

Sweet!!! So everything WILL work as I was thinking, one last thing though...anyone know if the Turbo headers from the 3SGTE will work with the 5SFE? That will be the hardest thing to fabricate if I had to do so. If I can use it, my problems are solved.

Hiighboost2 · 11-05-2006, 12:07 PM

I asked the guy with that white 5sfte mr2 i posted above, he said it uses a 3sgte manifold, im still waiting for him to tell me from what year.

I assume the na/turbo exhaust manfolds have the same mounting studs for the 91-92s.
So my guess is he used a 91-92 Turbo manifold.

wagonis · 11-05-2006, 06:19 PM

Perfect, this makes my life SO much easier...now I can start my project. Gonna take my N/A for a dyno first, then start gathering all the pieces for the turbo setup.

Stay tuned...

spike93 · 11-05-2006, 07:45 PM

http://www.toyotacelicas.com/forums/...5&hl=head+swap
i dont know if you've seen this but it will really help

mrturrari · 11-05-2006, 10:41 PM

Many people have turboed their 5sfes with varying success. Making it reliable is all about using quality parts, doing things right the first time and keeping within the limits of the fuel system. Here is much of the knowledge I have collected on the subject:

http://warp.scl.utah.edu/mr2/Turbo5sfe.html

I would add that it is only something you should do if you are your own mechanic and are willing to learn how things work. If not then a 3sgte swap may be your best bet. There are very few shops that would help you with kind of thing especially for a reasonable price. Everything can pretty much be bolted on but treat this like an engine rebuild. There are going to be bugs to work out and you need a second form of transportation just in case.

wagonis · 11-05-2006, 11:16 PM

HOLLY CRAP!!! You guys fu(k!ng rock!!! This is some seriously usefull $h!t. My 5SFE is gonna become one bad-a$$ turbo engine. I can't thank you guys enough.

I'm in the middle of buying a house right now, but that should be done with and we will be moved in by December 1st, then of course the holidays, but this project should begin by January 1st, and I will be sure to post up updates and progress for you guys to see.

Thanks again guys (had to vent about something off topic in regards to your help).

Nis

PETC · 11-07-2006, 04:29 PM

http://celica.su/text/turbokit-on-5sfe/5sfeTurbo.pdf

I'm not sure if Burien's website is EVER going to come back regarding their turbo kit, but look up Burien Toyota on Google and call them regarding their turbo kit for the 5SFE. It's around 2,500 bucks, but is a complete kit and bolts right on.

Those are the instructions, and might help you if you decide to go your own way on this.

tHe kNiGHt FaLL · 11-11-2006, 01:29 AM

just slap the entire 3sgte assembly on top of the 2.2 block... cheapest that way

tHe kNiGHt FaLL · 11-11-2006, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tHe kNiGHt FaLL

just slap the entire 3sgte assembly on top of the 2.2 block... cheapest that way

head assembly... headers / mainfold / turbo / intercooler / ECU

wagonis · 11-11-2006, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tHe kNiGHt FaLL

head assembly... headers / mainfold / turbo / intercooler / ECU

What about the exhaust? Do I swap that too? I noticed the Turbo setup only has one outlet vs. the NA that has two. Any reason why? Is there really a difference?

mrturrari · 11-11-2006, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tHe kNiGHt FaLL

just slap the entire 3sgte assembly on top of the 2.2 block... cheapest that way

You need to do more research on the subject. Building a 5sgte is more expensive then a 3sgte swap by a long shot. Basically you need the whole 3sgte engine swap plus a bunch of extra work and custom parts. So even if you cheap out and don't replace the rods and pistons, like you should to have a reliable motor, you still have to drill the water passages on some blocks and figure out a way to get oil to the turbo, get water to the oil cooler and replace various gaskets from both engines which you wouldn't have had to do otherwise. And if you do the cheap route and don't replace at least the rods then don't expect it to last very long if you rev past 6300rpms.

On the other hand a well thought out turboed 5sfte will run you under $2,000 and be completely bolt on. Now I wouldn't ever say a 5sfte will be as reliable as a 3sgte unless I saw one go 100,000miles or more but you get what you pay for.

mrturrari · 11-11-2006, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wagonis

What about the exhaust? Do I swap that too? I noticed the Turbo setup only has one outlet vs. the NA that has two. Any reason why? Is there really a difference?

You can use a stock turbo exhaust, it has two outlets. Everything from the exhaust manifold back to the tail pipe bolts right on. You can also adapt the NA B-Pipe to fit but it is a smaller pipe so you'll loose a bit of power.

Hiighboost2 · 11-11-2006, 03:33 PM

I may have not been 100% on the year difference for manifolds, Im still a little confused about it
because I asked Carson Toyota and the local Toyota here to get me 93+ exhaust manifold gaskets,
and they both said all years have the same part number

But the thing that throws me off is the fact that I have a different manifold

One on the left is the only one they had the gaskets for.
The right is the manifold I have to use.

But they definatly use different gaskets

11-04-2006, 09:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
wagonis Cage Fighter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, FL Posts: 1,452 Thanks: 60 Thanked 35 Times in 35 Posts iTrader Rating: (17/100% )	Adding turbo to 2.2...? A buddy of mine decided to check out homemadeturbo.com and put together a turbo for his Chevy Malibu for under $600. The difference it made in this car was amazing, who would have thought this little Chevy can move. So I was wondering, anybody ever put a Turbo on a 5S-FE? And what would you guys think about a project like that?

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canadam MidshipExpress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Posts: 10,399 Thanks: 120 Thanked 142 Times in 121 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (34/100% )	I think the best quote I've seen regarding a question like yours is: Cheap, reliable, fast. Pick two." __________________

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wagonis Cage Fighter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, FL Posts: 1,452 Thanks: 60 Thanked 35 Times in 35 Posts iTrader Rating: (17/100% )	HOLLY CRAP!!! You guys fu(k!ng rock!!! This is some seriously usefull $h!t. My 5SFE is gonna become one bad-a$$ turbo engine. I can't thank you guys enough. I'm in the middle of buying a house right now, but that should be done with and we will be moved in by December 1st, then of course the holidays, but this project should begin by January 1st, and I will be sure to post up updates and progress for you guys to see. Thanks again guys (had to vent about something off topic in regards to your help). Nis Last edited by wagonis; 11-05-2006 at 11:35 PM..

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11-04-2006, 10:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
wagonis Cage Fighter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, FL Posts: 1,452 Thanks: 60 Thanked 35 Times in 35 Posts iTrader Rating: (17/100% )	I'll take fast and reliable, but has anyone ever done it? And were they able to use any parts from the MR2T?

11-04-2006, 10:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
canadam MidshipExpress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Posts: 10,399 Thanks: 120 Thanked 142 Times in 121 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (34/100% )	Lots of people have built 2.2L stroker 3SGTEs with the 5SFE crank. You can turbo the 5SFE, and you can use some 3SGTE parts, but it could end up being quite costly. Most people will suggest that you just swap your engine for a 3SGTE and take advantage of the Toyota engineering and quality. There's a lot of things about the 3SGTE that are different than the 5SFE because it was designed for a turbo application. Definately something to think about

11-04-2006, 11:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
wagonis Cage Fighter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, FL Posts: 1,452 Thanks: 60 Thanked 35 Times in 35 Posts iTrader Rating: (17/100% )	Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I've read, it seems as if I have to swap quite a lot to be able to use the 3SGTE...meaning tranny, axles, harness, etc...adding a turbo to an existing 5SFE will be more of a bolt on job instead of a swap. After driving a '94 Civic HB D15B7, my '91 MR2 NA seems like a rocket, so I wonder what I would be like with the added turbo.

11-05-2006, 02:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
veritas731 No Skills Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	most of the stuff from the 3SGTE will bolt right on. I might do this in a few years, but will most likely just step up to the better motor of the 3S

11-05-2006, 03:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
Hiighboost2 Wiring fun! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spring, Tx Posts: 1,415 Thanks: 11 Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	I found a fs thread on another forum from a while back. Heres a pic of the engine bay, kinda small tho Click the pic to see the fs thread

11-05-2006, 09:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
wagonis Cage Fighter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, FL Posts: 1,452 Thanks: 60 Thanked 35 Times in 35 Posts iTrader Rating: (17/100% )	Sweet!!! So everything WILL work as I was thinking, one last thing though...anyone know if the Turbo headers from the 3SGTE will work with the 5SFE? That will be the hardest thing to fabricate if I had to do so. If I can use it, my problems are solved.

11-05-2006, 12:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
Hiighboost2 Wiring fun! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spring, Tx Posts: 1,415 Thanks: 11 Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	I asked the guy with that white 5sfte mr2 i posted above, he said it uses a 3sgte manifold, im still waiting for him to tell me from what year. I assume the na/turbo exhaust manfolds have the same mounting studs for the 91-92s. So my guess is he used a 91-92 Turbo manifold.

11-05-2006, 06:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
wagonis Cage Fighter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, FL Posts: 1,452 Thanks: 60 Thanked 35 Times in 35 Posts iTrader Rating: (17/100% )	Perfect, this makes my life SO much easier...now I can start my project. Gonna take my N/A for a dyno first, then start gathering all the pieces for the turbo setup. Stay tuned...

11-05-2006, 07:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
spike93 addicted to boost Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Loveland, Co Posts: 162 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	http://www.toyotacelicas.com/forums/...5&hl=head+swap i dont know if you've seen this but it will really help

11-05-2006, 10:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
mrturrari I <3 my 5sfe Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 655 Thanks: 2 Thanked 170 Times in 113 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Many people have turboed their 5sfes with varying success. Making it reliable is all about using quality parts, doing things right the first time and keeping within the limits of the fuel system. Here is much of the knowledge I have collected on the subject: http://warp.scl.utah.edu/mr2/Turbo5sfe.html I would add that it is only something you should do if you are your own mechanic and are willing to learn how things work. If not then a 3sgte swap may be your best bet. There are very few shops that would help you with kind of thing especially for a reasonable price. Everything can pretty much be bolted on but treat this like an engine rebuild. There are going to be bugs to work out and you need a second form of transportation just in case.

11-07-2006, 04:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
PETC √(176400) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 2,690 Thanks: 43 Thanked 65 Times in 53 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	http://celica.su/text/turbokit-on-5sfe/5sfeTurbo.pdf I'm not sure if Burien's website is EVER going to come back regarding their turbo kit, but look up Burien Toyota on Google and call them regarding their turbo kit for the 5SFE. It's around 2,500 bucks, but is a complete kit and bolts right on. Those are the instructions, and might help you if you decide to go your own way on this.

11-11-2006, 01:29 AM	#15 (permalink)
tHe kNiGHt FaLL I Work For Audi Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	just slap the entire 3sgte assembly on top of the 2.2 block... cheapest that way

11-11-2006, 03:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
Hiighboost2 Wiring fun! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spring, Tx Posts: 1,415 Thanks: 11 Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	I may have not been 100% on the year difference for manifolds, Im still a little confused about it because I asked Carson Toyota and the local Toyota here to get me 93+ exhaust manifold gaskets, and they both said all years have the same part number But the thing that throws me off is the fact that I have a different manifold One on the left is the only one they had the gaskets for. The right is the manifold I have to use. But they definatly use different gaskets