5S no oil squirters?

reflexx · 02-12-2007, 10:09 AM

I have an engine with a 5S block 3S head, eagle h-beam rods, CP pistons. However, my 5S block has no oil squirters. How is the wrist pin lubricated? The eagle rods do not appear to have any kind of oil passages on the small end. I know some oil splashes up under there, but i'm not sure it's enough. How are the stock 5S wrist pins lubricated?

Thanks...

PETC · 02-12-2007, 01:12 PM

Through crank splash and probably through the oil along the cylinder walls.

Honestly, I'd be more worried about the crank bearings, because when I took my 5SFE apart after it god rod knock the wristpins all looked brand new. However it works, it does!

reflexx · 02-12-2007, 01:24 PM

kinda worried about piston pin oiling at 45psi boost...

the crank bearings? they are lubricated through a hole in the bearing, the clevite bearings i have contain a matching hole....

PETC · 02-12-2007, 01:35 PM

Why the **** would you be boosting at 3 bar?

Mods?

MR2TRD1 · 02-12-2007, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reflexx

kinda worried about piston pin oiling at 45psi boost...

the crank bearings? they are lubricated through a hole in the bearing, the clevite bearings i have contain a matching hole....

dude...WTF?!?! Its not a tire

reflexx · 02-12-2007, 02:02 PM

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forged rods H-beam Eagle
forged pistons custom CP
ferrea valves 1mmOS Ferrea
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head studs/bolts (3S) ARP
main studs/bolts (3S) ARP
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wastegate 44mm Innovative
blow off valve Greddy
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exhaust-mufflers borla
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PETC · 02-12-2007, 02:04 PM

Are you planning to hook this up to a wrecking ball and destroying sky-scrapers with it?

reflexx · 02-12-2007, 02:11 PM

yes, hiding under all that bling is a 93 NA 5S-FE block....

PETC · 02-12-2007, 02:21 PM

How is your wastegate going to clear your DP?

That looks awesome man. Really. How much power are you plannin/hoping for?

reflexx · 02-12-2007, 02:29 PM

800-850whp.

i will weld it so it clears, you can see there's some room in the following pic.

MR2TRD1 · 02-12-2007, 03:56 PM

Why are you going to use 2 honda radiators? Even the N/A cooling system can handle more than the turbo system needs. Are you building a show car or a HP monster? Good luck...but please....paint it a normal color and ditch the interior.

NIXmx · 02-12-2007, 04:02 PM

You are extremely insane. But that always makes things intresting

Keep us updated. I'm sure there are alot of people who could learn from your experiences with this project. Good Luck

reflexx · 02-12-2007, 04:51 PM

full photo build log here, including what the godawful thing looked like from the start:

http://www.astrocore.com/mr2/

I am using the 2 honda radiators with fans under the trunk as heat exchangers for my water-to-air intercooler system. I have a 2000hp drag intercooler that needs a lot of HE surface area to cool. I didn't want to stick it up front in front of the regular radiator as that would screw up airflow and my engine cooling, and under the trunk mounted at an angle to the incident wind is the only place I could fit them - the two of them together plus the fans are pretty huge.

PETC · 02-12-2007, 04:54 PM

What about that interior?

It's your car, and the motor is insane, but I don't think that interior really goes along with the car. Kinda looks like a pimp mobile. But hey, if you're a pimp then there you go! What kind of pimp wouldn't want a 850 WHP pimp mobile?

MR2TRD1 · 02-12-2007, 05:04 PM

you ever think about being on "Pimp my Ride"?

mrturrari · 02-12-2007, 07:21 PM

The small ends must have a hole to lubricate the pin? Mine did. Check again because there is just no way an oil squirter is going to lubricate the wrist pin.

Bak@EMSPowered · 02-12-2007, 07:32 PM

reflexx, I gotta hand it to you, the build is coming along nicely. But what the hell is up with the craptastic pinstriping & graphics? If you're going to do it, do it right, if not then leave the car one solid color. That's a shame man, fix it!

Bak@EMSPowered · 02-12-2007, 07:39 PM

Oh, and no, the 5s block does not have oil squirters

wesnemo · 02-12-2007, 09:03 PM

5s block has no oil quirters. Block sqirters on the 3s are designed to cool the pistons. Eagle rods have oil holes for the wrist pin on each side of the small end at about 8 and 4 o'clock as opposed to the stock rod which has one oil hole at the very top (12 o'clock) of the small end.

Stock 5s rods have oil squirt holes on the thrust wall side of the rod on the big end. Eagles have no oil squirt hole for the cylinder wall on the big end.

Pressure lubrication is to the mains, the rod journals, the cam (and the turbo on 3sgte). Everything else is splash.

MR2TRD1 · 02-12-2007, 10:18 PM

I was thinking primary purpose was to cool the piston.

02-12-2007, 10:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
reflexx Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 539 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	5S no oil squirters? I have an engine with a 5S block 3S head, eagle h-beam rods, CP pistons. However, my 5S block has no oil squirters. How is the wrist pin lubricated? The eagle rods do not appear to have any kind of oil passages on the small end. I know some oil splashes up under there, but i'm not sure it's enough. How are the stock 5S wrist pins lubricated? Thanks...

02-12-2007, 09:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
wesnemo wesnemo Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast PA Posts: 330 Thanks: 11 Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	5s block has no oil quirters. Block sqirters on the 3s are designed to cool the pistons. Eagle rods have oil holes for the wrist pin on each side of the small end at about 8 and 4 o'clock as opposed to the stock rod which has one oil hole at the very top (12 o'clock) of the small end. Stock 5s rods have oil squirt holes on the thrust wall side of the rod on the big end. Eagles have no oil squirt hole for the cylinder wall on the big end. Pressure lubrication is to the mains, the rod journals, the cam (and the turbo on 3sgte). Everything else is splash. Last edited by wesnemo; 02-12-2007 at 09:04 PM.. Reason: forgot the turbo

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02-12-2007, 01:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
PETC √(176400) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 2,690 Thanks: 43 Thanked 65 Times in 53 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Through crank splash and probably through the oil along the cylinder walls. Honestly, I'd be more worried about the crank bearings, because when I took my 5SFE apart after it god rod knock the wristpins all looked brand new. However it works, it does!

02-12-2007, 01:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
reflexx Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 539 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	kinda worried about piston pin oiling at 45psi boost... the crank bearings? they are lubricated through a hole in the bearing, the clevite bearings i have contain a matching hole....

02-12-2007, 01:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
PETC √(176400) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 2,690 Thanks: 43 Thanked 65 Times in 53 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Why the **** would you be boosting at 3 bar? Mods?

02-12-2007, 02:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
reflexx Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 539 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	valve springs set Ferrea forged rods H-beam Eagle forged pistons custom CP ferrea valves 1mmOS Ferrea ferrea retainers Ferrea valve guides Keepers Ferrea rod bearings Clevite head studs/bolts (3S) ARP main studs/bolts (3S) ARP ChrisK HV oil pump, timing belt ChrisK cams 272 HKS head gasket (metal) cometic stainless hoses, fittings earl's? turbo Garrett 71mm PT71 Garrett wastegate 44mm Innovative blow off valve Greddy intake/exhaust piping custom adjustable cam gears AEM exhaust-mufflers borla exhaust manifold RPS 2 HE Radiators and Fans Honda Water pump HE Bosch fuel cell/tank for water Jazz CF intake manifold-materials Ross Machine Intercooler water-air 2-core spearco injector o-rings/adapters/clips misc fuel injectors 1600cc RC fuel pumps, 2 Walbro ignition AEM? MSI? spark plugs Denso spark plug wires Toyota clutch misc bearings Toyota fuel pressure regulator Aeromotive fuel rail wolfkatz fuel filters aeromotive ATS axle cages ATS shifter bronze bushings TwosRus clutch 6 puck bronze, ACT plate HPF full engine gasket set Toyota valve cover gasket (if not in set) flywheel Toyota MAP sensor AEM Standalone ECU AEM t-clamps, hoses, supplies, misc 3S thermostat Toyota 3S water pump Toyota 3S head, valve cover Toyota harnesses 4point ebay oil catch can Weapon R seats ebay Steering wheel momo LSD transmission Toyota axles (LSD), with ATS axle cages Toyota motor mounts Toyota boost controller greddy turbo timer HKS gauges Autometer paint rayflex wheels, 17x8", 17x9.5" tires - R comp brake rebuild kit toyota aftermarket shifter ebay ostrich leather tandy carpet and pad custom lighting mods ultrabrightLEDs 6.5" component speakers Diamond 2 farad capacitor Tsunami 1500w subamp Phoenix Gold 800w frontamp Phoenix Gold 10" subs JL cd player Pioneer audio wiring tsunami pedals sparco stainless steel brake lines russell M600 brake fluid motul sensors, trigger wheels, etc AEM msd tach adapter MSD machine shop work - bore, deck, port/polish, 5angle valve, etc - Eagle Machine

02-12-2007, 02:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
PETC √(176400) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 2,690 Thanks: 43 Thanked 65 Times in 53 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Are you planning to hook this up to a wrecking ball and destroying sky-scrapers with it?

02-12-2007, 02:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
reflexx Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 539 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	yes, hiding under all that bling is a 93 NA 5S-FE block....

02-12-2007, 02:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
PETC √(176400) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 2,690 Thanks: 43 Thanked 65 Times in 53 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	How is your wastegate going to clear your DP? That looks awesome man. Really. How much power are you plannin/hoping for?

02-12-2007, 02:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
reflexx Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 539 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	800-850whp. i will weld it so it clears, you can see there's some room in the following pic.

02-12-2007, 03:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
MR2TRD1 pimpin' valet ;-) Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,180 Thanks: 1 Thanked 37 Times in 34 Posts iTrader Rating: (19/100% )	Why are you going to use 2 honda radiators? Even the N/A cooling system can handle more than the turbo system needs. Are you building a show car or a HP monster? Good luck...but please....paint it a normal color and ditch the interior.

02-12-2007, 04:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
NIXmx I eat rice(ers). Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 194 Thanks: 9 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	You are extremely insane. But that always makes things intresting Keep us updated. I'm sure there are alot of people who could learn from your experiences with this project. Good Luck

02-12-2007, 04:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
reflexx Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 539 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	full photo build log here, including what the godawful thing looked like from the start: http://www.astrocore.com/mr2/ I am using the 2 honda radiators with fans under the trunk as heat exchangers for my water-to-air intercooler system. I have a 2000hp drag intercooler that needs a lot of HE surface area to cool. I didn't want to stick it up front in front of the regular radiator as that would screw up airflow and my engine cooling, and under the trunk mounted at an angle to the incident wind is the only place I could fit them - the two of them together plus the fans are pretty huge.

02-12-2007, 04:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
PETC √(176400) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 2,690 Thanks: 43 Thanked 65 Times in 53 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	What about that interior? It's your car, and the motor is insane, but I don't think that interior really goes along with the car. Kinda looks like a pimp mobile. But hey, if you're a pimp then there you go! What kind of pimp wouldn't want a 850 WHP pimp mobile?

02-12-2007, 05:04 PM	#15 (permalink)
MR2TRD1 pimpin' valet ;-) Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,180 Thanks: 1 Thanked 37 Times in 34 Posts iTrader Rating: (19/100% )	you ever think about being on "Pimp my Ride"?

02-12-2007, 07:21 PM	#16 (permalink)
mrturrari I <3 my 5sfe Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 655 Thanks: 2 Thanked 170 Times in 113 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	The small ends must have a hole to lubricate the pin? Mine did. Check again because there is just no way an oil squirter is going to lubricate the wrist pin.

02-12-2007, 07:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
Bak@EMSPowered Banned Seller Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,925 Thanks: 30 Thanked 193 Times in 165 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (49/93% )	reflexx, I gotta hand it to you, the build is coming along nicely. But what the hell is up with the craptastic pinstriping & graphics? If you're going to do it, do it right, if not then leave the car one solid color. That's a shame man, fix it!

02-12-2007, 07:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
Bak@EMSPowered Banned Seller Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,925 Thanks: 30 Thanked 193 Times in 165 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (49/93% )	Oh, and no, the 5s block does not have oil squirters

02-12-2007, 10:18 PM	#20 (permalink)
MR2TRD1 pimpin' valet ;-) Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,180 Thanks: 1 Thanked 37 Times in 34 Posts iTrader Rating: (19/100% )	I was thinking primary purpose was to cool the piston.