300hp on a 5sfe 2.2??

[mr220v]

If you had to stay NA, here's a 4cyl that will make 300hp:

http://www.mr2.com/forums/beams/Toyo...ams-motor.html

For $28000 aud, it can be yours.

[TomsMR2]

a 28K beams motor is just as rediculous as a 300hp 5sfe. maybe more so.

[scooterman]

i agree this thread needs to die.

you need forced induction or a million dollars + magic to get 300hp out of a 5sfe.

[Oteck]

thats alot of money, is there a dyno?

[mr220v]

Originally Posted by TomsMR2

a 28K beams motor is just as rediculous as a 300hp 5sfe. maybe more so.

No, the 300hp beams motor actually exists. The 300hp na 5sfe is fantasy.

The guy who has this motor also makes various upgrade parts for the beams 3s. I bet 250hp could be made for a fraction of the cost. Probably still cheaper than various stock honda motors.

[GINA2MR2]

jesus... it was an idea i didnt know if it could be done. i was wondering. it was a random number. my gti was closing in on 250 but it had 2 more cylinders. i'll prolly pick up a
a turbo motor i dislike dicking all the time with a turbo but i think thats what ill have to do.

[phzoinkMKII]

Have you thought about a V6? I'm pretty sure you can stay NA and make that kind of power with a lot less effort than the 5S.

[mr220v]

The 2grfse makes 307hp stock.

[phzoinkMKII]

True but as of yet there haven't been any attempts at putting one in. There is also the 1UZ as an option.

[mr220v]

The gr series motors would be easier.

[Oteck]

Originally Posted by phzoinkMKII

True but as of yet there haven't been any attempts at putting one in. There is also the 1UZ as an option.

sure if you can fit it

[TomsMR2]

the 1uz is just as much an option as any v8 from any manufacturer. its really not an option. its just another motor that doesnt even remotely bolt up to the car.

the gr should bolt up to the trans. that one guy stuck one in a spyder, if it'll fit in a spyder, it'll sure as hell fit in an mk2

[Slidealliance]

You know what's really cool? Having a FR car with a 1uz.....actually, we are working out a deal on getting 2 soarers with 1uz's in them for our competition cars next year

[KaDuWin]

Originally Posted by GINA2MR2

heres what i got .
92 na 2.2 5spd
80000 on the motor and 112*** on the body .

i want 300hp w/out a FI ..
im thinking large bored, pistons ,rods and heads and then beefed up trans,

any thoughts and can this be acheived. ?????
and no ******** on too much money. i need helpful ideas

It is possible to get above 200 with a 2.2 4 cylinder, Lotus got the Esprite making 250+ with the Esprite 4 cylinder which was also a 2.2. I am not promising definite HP numbers in the 300s but it should easily give more than a standard USDM 3SGTE. There are a couple of routes you can go, this is option #1.

If I may suggest, (please bare in mind the car witht he following suggested setup, may or may not meet smog regulations) PLEASE NOTE THIS LIST IS NOT COMPLETE BUT IS MORE JUST A STARTING POINT. I am not promising definite HP numbers in the 300s but it should easily satisify at least some part of your power hunger. There are a couple of routes you can go, this is option #1.



-5sfe block cleaned, benched, micro-honed, over bored .40
-5sfe head, cleaned, benched, micro-honed 5 angle valve jobs, port polish, stainless steel Ferrera Sodium tipped 1mm or 2mm over sized valves
-250 webcam camshafts on intake and exhaust
-unorthodox underdrive pully, (leave the stock alternator pully alone, you don't want it putting out a weaker current)
-12.1 compression ratio pistons
-Rods I might go with Eagle H beams either way upgrading the rods is recommended but its up to you which company you go with
-titanium springs
-toga valve seals
-toga main bearings
-toga rod bearings
-performance rings
-performance wrist pins
-remapped ECU
-550cc injectors (at least)
-Toga high flow oil pump
-Nology 8mm spark plug wires
-hux 65 or 70mm throttle body adapter and intake
-mustang throttle body
-gutted/eliminated/highflow catalytic converter (depending on smog regulations)
-high flow exhaust header
-many exhausts can be tried you might be best off with something like the greddy SP or just having one custom made to your specifications (depending on your budget) recommend nothing bigger than 3.0 inch
-K&N typhoon cone filter

This is all I could think of off the top of my head, even though this list is not complete, at least it will give you nice push in one possible direction.

Of course one other option is if you don't like the use of the 5sfe head, you could retro fit a 3SGTE head on to a 5SFE creating the beginning of a 2.2 stroker kit (minus the turbo) and you've now expanded your options even more, because now you can also you even higher duration camshafts and other parts from companies such as HKS. But this all subject to personal preference, experience, and budget. Hope this helps a bit.

[metheores]

I think the value of that would equal the price of buying and swapping a V6 with more capacity...

[fvillota]

why u guys keep telling the guy its not possile. with money its all possible. i have a 93-96 toyota corolla with a 20v blacktop in it. i had a friend that was in the same club and have a 93-96 corolla with a 1.6l and guess how much he's sucked out? 400+ hp. so can u guys just give opinions and stop telling the man it isnt possible just because you've never seen good work done. its simple
if you want power u need to have money.

[KaDuWin]

Originally Posted by fvillota

why u guys keep telling the guy its not possile. with money its all possible. i have a 93-96 toyota corolla with a 20v blacktop in it. i had a friend that was in the same club and have a 93-96 corolla with a 1.6l and guess how much he's sucked out? 400+ hp. so can u guys just give opinions and stop telling the man it isnt possible just because you've never seen good work done. its simple
if you want power u need to have money.

I know right. lol. I was beginning to think I was the only one. It seems like almost everyone thinks you can't get good hp from a 4 cylinder. If you look at what I posted for a list of parts that were really off the top of my head, it is definitely possible. What it really is though is the amount of money you might have to spend to do it, so people use shortcuts like turbos and stuff instead. I want all naturally aspirated HP. It's easier to control, more predictable, helps keep weight of the car down, and the response of a properly tuned NA engine exceeds any forced induction.

[KaDuWin]

Originally Posted by metheores

I think the value of that would equal the price of buying and swapping a V6 with more capacity...

The person who started this thread said they want a really powerful 300bhp 5SFE and no suggestions for anything else, so I suggested a way that it might possible to be accomplished, yes the suggestion/list was incomplete but like I said when I posted it, it is a way to get going in a right direction towards that goal of 300hp. I left out things like fuel management, the transmission (as a whole), power train (as a whole), etc.

[fvillota]

oops..

[fvillota]

Originally Posted by KaDuWin

I know right. lol. I was beginning to think I was the only one. It seems like almost everyone thinks you can't get good hp from a 4 cylinder. If you look at what I posted for a list of parts that were really off the top of my head, it is definitely possible. What it really is though is the amount of money you might have to spend to do it, so people use shortcuts like turbos and stuff instead. I want all naturally aspirated HP. It's easier to control, more predictable, helps keep weight of the car down, and the response of a properly tuned NA engine exceeds any forced induction.

exactly what im saying! i dont get why ppl go nuts about the money. I see ppl to fund of the beams and the v6 and the 3sgte and all that but you guys have to remember there are also ppl that love uniqueness and love the 5s- just as much.

EVIL TWIN 2 ! "MINE": EVIL TWIN -2 Pedro's 300+ hp TURBO COROLLA (CHECK OUT MY VIDEO) - orlando, Florida

this is my friend pedro from when i was in the corolla club. if he could do this from a 1.6 why cant you do it from a 2.2l. if you have the dedication and the money and u dont mind the time then go for it i bet you'll be happy in the end and everyone will have to fall off there seat.

just because you havent seen it here dosent mean anything.

anyways.... that corolla does have a turbo and a nos port to freeze the intercooler for colder air on the turbo (more power) buttttttt trust me. if you have the turbo off it makes about 300 hp if not more.
it has a 3 speed transmission thats automatic and trust me.. i bet no mr2 here can catch it in a straight away unless u have a very nicely built engine.

anywaysssssss if u want the challenge good luck and u can bet that i will be right befind you because i plan the same for my 5s-.