300hp on a 5sfe 2.2??

[KaDuWin]

Originally Posted by fvillota

exactly what im saying! i dont get why ppl go nuts about the money. I see ppl to fund of the beams and the v6 and the 3sgte and all that but you guys have to remember there are also ppl that love uniqueness and love the 5s- just as much.

EVIL TWIN 2 ! "MINE": EVIL TWIN -2 Pedro's 300+ hp TURBO COROLLA (CHECK OUT MY VIDEO) - orlando, Florida

this is my friend pedro from when i was in the corolla club. if he could do this from a 1.6 why cant you do it from a 2.2l. if you have the dedication and the money and u dont mind the time then go for it i bet you'll be happy in the end and everyone will have to fall off there seat.

just because you havent seen it here dosent mean anything.

anyways.... that corolla does have a turbo and a nos port to freeze the intercooler for colder air on the turbo (more power) buttttttt trust me. if you have the turbo off it makes about 300 hp if not more.
it has a 3 speed transmission thats automatic and trust me.. i bet no mr2 here can catch it in a straight away unless u have a very nicely built engine.

anywaysssssss if u want the challenge good luck and u can bet that i will be right befind you because i plan the same for my 5s-.

Oh believe me I know its possible to get a nice amount of HP from a 4 cylinder, for a number of reasons, #1 I come from a long line of engine builders in my family, my cousin builds chrysler/mopar dragster engines, my father used to rebuild austin engines, another friend of the family builds dragsters/hotrods, and I have a bit of knowledge in tuning engines. #2 is if Lotus did it with the esprit with a 2.2 and got 250bhp out of it then I know there is more to be had.

I agree with this

Originally Posted by fvillota

exactly what im saying! i dont get why ppl go nuts about the money. I see ppl to fund of the beams and the v6 and the 3sgte and all that but you guys have to remember there are also ppl that love uniqueness and love the 5s- just as much.

I don't want a 3SGTE mostly because I like to be an individual, and just about everyone who has an MR2 has, wants, or is going to get a 3SGTE, I want a V6 (can't help but love the idea of that type of raw NA power and the intoxicating sound) and I nice highly tuned 5SFE because I know its possible and again the sound of the 5SFE is pretty nice. I want to make my car a serious sleeper. Any loud 3SGTE or V6 kind of makes that hard to accomplish, if I am going to make my car loud even in the slightest way, I want it to sound so intimidating that anyone who thinks of racing it, (no matter what they are in) thinks twice and then forgets the idea.

[fvillota]

lol

+1

; ) all i gotta say.. if i can help pm me. ; ) good luck.

[KaDuWin]

Originally Posted by fvillota

exactly what im saying! i dont get why ppl go nuts about the money. I see ppl to fund of the beams and the v6 and the 3sgte and all that but you guys have to remember there are also ppl that love uniqueness and love the 5s- just as much.

EVIL TWIN 2 ! "MINE": EVIL TWIN -2 Pedro's 300+ hp TURBO COROLLA (CHECK OUT MY VIDEO) - orlando, Florida

this is my friend pedro from when i was in the corolla club. if he could do this from a 1.6 why cant you do it from a 2.2l. if you have the dedication and the money and u dont mind the time then go for it i bet you'll be happy in the end and everyone will have to fall off there seat.

just because you havent seen it here dosent mean anything.

anyways.... that corolla does have a turbo and a nos port to freeze the intercooler for colder air on the turbo (more power) buttttttt trust me. if you have the turbo off it makes about 300 hp if not more.
it has a 3 speed transmission thats automatic and trust me.. i bet no mr2 here can catch it in a straight away unless u have a very nicely built engine.

anywaysssssss if u want the challenge good luck and u can bet that i will be right befind you because i plan the same for my 5s-.

You can count on me backing you up if you take on the challenge, but for now, I want to locate a few more parts before I decide to take on the challenge, my specifications concerning parts for this project, haven't fully been met, but I am not too far away from everything I want. All I need is a few more parts, and a bit more of research. I'll try to keep you posted as to my progress locating the parts and information that I still would like or need.

Good Luck!

[mphillippi]

if you ran e85, good cams, big injectors, 12.5cr and could spin to 8,000rpm, you could get 225hp. Crank could take it, but rods and pistons would not.

with a fairly small T4 turbo and manifold ($350-$500) and some head work with cams, you could make and easy 300-320 on 93oct pump gas. Still need forged pistons and good rods, but the engine would live well.

always easier, cheaper and more reliable to use a power adder like turbo rather than try to go with extreme rpms. our last 5sfe pulled 325hp and 315ft/lbs on dyno with pretty basic stuff and t3/t4 turbo. we even used stock rods with some work.


Mark

[fvillota]

wow.. i hope to have my 2.2 running that one day

[LegendaryT2]

so if 300 is impossible or "not cheap" the better way to put it. what would be a reasonable power output without breaking the bank on this motor?

[fvillota]

from what ive heard. its a standalone, cams, and exhaust. about 2000 dollars gets you close to 170. lol.

[fvillota]

i just dont understand how someone with 1.6 single cam boost 10 pounds safe. (i know and get about 190 hp. from 125hp

and ppl here telling me that with 8 punds stock im not gonna get anywhere on my 2.2l.

w.e when i get money all i now is that im going to learn from trial and error.

[issymr2]

ive heard of a N/A ae86 hitting 400 whp

[thornz12]

Originally Posted by mrturrari

Just for a moment let's assume that this is 300hp at the crank, 300rwhp will be even harder to achieve but still theoretically possible with an unlimited budget. To make that kind of power from a 2.2 liter you are going to need to make peak torque at 8000-9000rpms. Here is the beginnings of what you will need:

Full stand alone EMS
460cc or larger injectors
High flow fuel pump
Forged rods
Forged high compression pistons 12:1-13:1
2-3mm oversized valves
Double valve springs with titanium retainers
Shimless buckets
300-320 duration cams with 12-13mm lift
Some very extreme and expensive head porting
Lightening and balancing of the engine's rotating assembly
Upgraded oil pump or dry sump
Upgraded ignition system
Custom header designed for 8000-9000rpms
Custom intake manifold designed for the same
Larger throttle body probably 70-80mm
Upgraded clutch

You actually don't need to upgrade the tranny or axles because you will never have enough torque to break them with an NA 5sfe. You also may want to move the wrist pin up in the piston and get custom rods to give you a better rod to stroke ratio.

And there are a ton more things you should probably do just because you are in there.

You will need to run race gas all the time. This engine would be awesome on a 1/4 mile track or a high speed road course but suck in an autocross or on the street and even then can you imagine screaming around all the time because you have no power down low?

It would be awesome if someone built a motor like that just to prove it can be done but it's really not practical unless you are racing in a class that restricts you to that engine and you have lots of sponsors to give you lots of money.

+1 plus
whole lot of money. you may want to throw a big shot of nitrious in there just for good measure and cool factor

or just go beams red top, still an NA

[naikaidiver]

Originally Posted by issymr2

ive heard of a N/A ae86 hitting 400 whp

...and I heard that a Sassquatch was spotted on Mt. Rainier again!

Seriously though.

Just because a certain power level is "possible" on any engine, does not equate to "streetable". Think about the term "streetable" for a second. It is a combination of reliability and driveability. Race engines, while capable of high hp numbers have neither.

And just an observation. The vast majority of MR2 owners these days do not have the budget to even build a motor like that let alone put gas in it or keep it running. If they did, they would be hot rodding their 2009 Hemi Challengers, Z06 Vette's, or Fairlady Z. That said, I don't understand why this is being argued so vehemently since it's all brainstorming anyway.

Scott

[wesnemo]

The vast majority of MR2 owners these days do not have the budget to even build a motor like that let alone put gas in it or keep it running.

A lot of truth to this. Trying to convince people to spend a little just to accurately measure things before they bolt them back together seems to be a major challenge.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by fvillota

wow.. i hope to have my 2.2 running that one day

from watching your friend pedro's video, he is

A) a ricer, and

B) an idiot

he mentions 2 sets of pistons used in the "interior" and 2 wastegates. He describes a HKS heatshield and blow off valve before he even begins to describe the engine.

sounds like he has more money than brains. Not hating, but damn dude. seriously?



on a related note: Id really love to see a higher hp na built 5sfe. 300 whp is faily easy and streetable in the H crowd.

[fvillota]

Originally Posted by Drew

from watching your friend pedro's video, he is

A) a ricer, and

B) an idiot

he mentions 2 sets of pistons used in the "interior" and 2 wastegates. He describes a HKS heatshield and blow off valve before he even begins to describe the engine.

sounds like he has more money than brains. Not hating, but damn dude. seriously?



on a related note: Id really love to see a higher hp na built 5sfe. 300 whp is faily easy and streetable in the H crowd.

well Mr. drew yes i don't like the color and and or his style but everyone has there own taste. maybe someone with a car like that and a 100hp engine but that guy can put a wooden wing on his corolla and i'd still go bet on him because he will smoke ur ass anytime anywhere. sounds to me like Ur hating. anyways i don't care what he said or not said. i was using it as an example to ppl that say that the 2.2 goes no where, i posted it up saying that if a 1.6 can do it a 2.2 can too. yes money is needed but it CANNN BE DONE!


so yea... i dont think you would have to call him idiot....
by the way... ive seen him at a few car show and they dont seem to think he is a ricer because he gets a whole damn lot of trophies everytime!

[Drew]

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[conor]

What the hell, who in their right mind would resurrect this awful thread?

300hp N/A from a dinky 2.2L designed to make 130hp is so cost prohibitive that it's not even funny. And even if you did it, it wouldn't be "streetable." ... That is, of course, unless you consider having to rev to 6000rpm every shift to be streetable.

Originally Posted by fvillota

by the way... ive seen him at a few car show and they dont seem to think he is a ricer because he gets a whole damn lot of trophies everytime!

Import car shows are massive rice festivals. That's what "show" is all about. And even if a car at a show has "go" parts too, it probably never gets driven hard. 99% of show cars are pavement ornaments.

Ricers have shows to give each other trophies and make each other feel better about their riced out cars. True story.

[fvillota]

do not know who brought back from dead. guess its true about the ricer shows.
and yes most of the time they sit as ornaments. but still! lol. sexy ass 5s-fe with 108977hp hahahaha.

i really dont acre what anyone has to say. let me be with my dinky 2.2l. as much as you guys love ur BIG BAD TURBOOO CAR OOOOOOOOOOO.
I AND SOME PPL ON HERE LOVE OUR 2.2L . piece.

[Drew]

wow butthurt. 4 teh lulz

[fvillota]

lmaoo!! its all good bro

[TripleHDX7]

Ok I have the 1991 2.2 N/A. I want to go Turbo. I have a 2.0 Turbo Head with the Turbo Injectors, the Intake Mani, and Exhaust mani from a 2.0. What else do I need to go Turbo? Also How much PSI can the 2.2 take? What kind of HP am I looking at with my set up so far when a Turbo is Added. I have a .57 trim Laying around if that helps thanks.