ok I kno..5s-fe..

[mattdouken]

Ok so I have read tons about full motor 5s-fe...and Turbo 5s-fte and i was wondering about others thoughts.

So here is what I want to try
Brand new 5s-fe block
-Performance Clutch
-Flywheel
-Headers
-Exhaust
-Intake
-294Cams
-Plug Wires
-underdrive pulley

What do you peeps think the horse pwr rating would be?

Then what you think it would be if I slapped a turbo on it?

[TomsMR2]

the only thing you listed that would do anything for power would be the cams and the header. the rest would be a waste.

you'd end up with about 130-140whp.

[mattdouken]

that was a pretty dumb statement.

the flywheel would give me power by taking strain off the crank.

come on now think before you answer.

and you did not even answer the questions in full.What about the turbo....?(I didn't know we live in a world where a turbo doesn't give you power)

[mr2greasemonkey]

Did he just inadvertently call you dumb Tom? Ouch....so sad, so sad.


btw, Tom's right......

[mattdouken]

Originally Posted by TomsMR2

the only thing you listed that would do anything for power would be the cams and the header. the rest would be a waste.

you'd end up with about 130-140whp.

So what you are both saying...is a turbo,lightweight flywheel,and exhaust system gives you no power.......WOW! and I thought honda owners were Dull..

Come on seriously....And I thought Fellow Mr2 owners were different..

Can some one please post me a comment that may shed a little light on my questions?

[fvillota]

wait... i though all the flywheel did was rev up a little faster because of the weight relief?

i have never heard about hp from changing the flywheel.

and from what i have read and the help i have recieved tom makes sure he knows what he writes and most likely its never wrong.

[fvillota]

exhaust might give you 1 or 2 but nothing to major that would all depend on the setup you run.
obviously turbos give you HP


please dont compare anyone to a honda owner, thats just crossing the line.

[mr2greasemonkey]

Hah, someone is sensitive. Before you go name calling bub, you might actually want to do " REAL " research instead of just reading other peoples threads.

Wallace Racing - Automotive Calculators

And as far as your comment bout " MR2 owners being different ", my car is 5vz supercharged....

[mattdouken]

Ok, So I Guess every car i have seen hit the dyno(not any mr2 thats why im asking) with these listed mods with no turbo are wrong...

I have seen civic and integras get upwards of 50 to 60 hp increases.

[MR-3vz]

hahaha, normally I'd tell you to be nice... But hey... Have at 'em... I love it when people look for help and info and then turn around and bite the hand that feeds them... I need a good laugh greasemonkey... have at it.

In my opinion the question needs more thought, and more information... Try this... next time you say throw a turbo on it and scream out turbos dont make hp... think about what you didnt say... like how many psi u plan on running... Cause any turbo @ 0psi makes nothing for hp... actually looses hp.

-J

[fvillota]

Originally Posted by mattdouken

Ok, So I Guess every car i have seen hit the dyno(not any mr2 thats why im asking) with these listed mods with no turbo are wrong...

I have seen civic and integras get upwards of 50 to 60 hp increases.

that can not be anywhere near accurate!

[mr2greasemonkey]

Other than the turbo, do you realize that you aren't actually making any power, you are really only getting some of the ideal power back. And since you have to start with a 5s that doesn't give you much. Not to say it can't be done, anyone with enough time and money can make anything have more power. Judging by your perception of the situation it seems rather obvious you don't really understand basic engine performance. Volumetric efficiency and cylinder displacement is what determines the kind of power that can be made.

[mattdouken]

Ok,Will Specify what i want to know..

If I Put
294 Webcams
4-2-1 Headers
2-1/2inch exhaust-no cat
Fidanza Lightweight flywheel
exedy stage 2 clutch
ngk 8.5mm plug wires
Intake

In a Brand new 5s-fe
Then Put A Ct-26 Turbo @ 9Psi on it.

What do you think would be the Horse power and Torque to the wheels.

Sorry for being a prick Earlier..

[mattdouken]

And I do understand engines and basic displacment.

I just thought the 5s-fe would make a little more..

[mr2greasemonkey]

The cam itself wont make any power, it only moves the power band up the rev range. An aggressive NA cam in a forced induction application is not ideal. The clutch stuff is nice, but gives you nothing in HP only transfers power and a light weight flywheel will only rev quicker. Tune up stuff is good, but still no noticeable gains. Intake is dependent on the cylinder head mach numbers for volume filling velocity off boost then valve size/port flow under induction. Better exhaust will be the best gain per $$$, unless you have a turbo and manifold laying around already.

So...this is why peeps swap 5sfe's for 3sgte's.

[mattdouken]

Thanks, thats all i needed to know.
The money i will spend is not worth the gains...got ya.

[MR-3vz]

Originally Posted by mr2greasemonkey

The cam itself wont make any power, it only moves the power band up the rev range. An aggressive NA cam in a forced induction application is not ideal. The clutch stuff is nice, but gives you nothing in HP only transfers power and a light weight flywheel will only rev quicker. Tune up stuff is good, but still no noticeable gains. Intake is dependent on the cylinder head mach numbers for volume filling velocity off boost then valve size/port flow under induction. Better exhaust will be the best gain per $$$, unless you have a turbo and manifold laying around already.

So...this is why peeps swap 5sfe's for 3sgte's.

[TomsMR2]

Originally Posted by mattdouken

that was a pretty dumb statement.

the flywheel would give me power by taking strain off the crank.

come on now think before you answer.

and you did not even answer the questions in full.What about the turbo....?(I didn't know we live in a world where a turbo doesn't give you power)

its 2009. its not 1990. we're not speculating what the car can do anymore. we've tried things, installed cams, headers, exhausts, chips, ems's, big valves, ported things out, filled things in, reprofiled and retimed. different heads have been put on, and new manifolds. intakes, wires, fancy plugs. everything. its been 19 years. what does and does not make power is VERY well known. most of the things you listed ive had, made, installed, and removed because they dont make power. no flywheels dont take "strain" off the crank.. yes i have one.

if you think you know all the answers, dont come asking for advice.

[TomsMR2]

Originally Posted by mr2greasemonkey

The cam itself wont make any power, it only moves the power band up the rev range.

the 5sfe picks up about 15-20 peak, and more than 30 under the curve with 294's. no ones actually installed a big enough cam to shift the power.. the 294's add power from idle to redline. cammed 5sfes typically run mid high 14's, its a pretty huge power jump

the head on its really not that bad.. it flows really well. the cams are like 195 degrees stock!

[mattdouken]

Originally Posted by TomsMR2

its 2009. its not 1990. we're not speculating what the car can do anymore. we've tried things, installed cams, headers, exhausts, chips, ems's, big valves, ported things out, filled things in, reprofiled and retimed. different heads have been put on, and new manifolds. intakes, wires, fancy plugs. everything. its been 19 years. what does and does not make power is VERY well known. most of the things you listed ive had, made, installed, and removed because they dont make power. no flywheels dont take "strain" off the crank.. yes i have one.

if you think you know all the answers, dont come asking for advice.

I apoligize