NOS on 5sfe?

[fvillota]

hahha someones gonna respond to that. and i dont they are gonna be happy.

[Tred]

explain

[fvillota]

My personal thinking. is that Ive driven about 5 Honda's. (friends, family) and so on.

um..
Honda's cannottttt get the hell off the line.
with out v-tec they are pathetic.
no torque.

VVT-I KICKS IN HARDER.

don't tell me you can get off the line because your a good driver and blah blah blah. I'm gonna **** Honda till the day i die because i think they are reliable granny cars that save gas.

whats the fun doing a Honda engine? nothing because everyone has the same cheap as **** that makes it fast.

try and speak with a Honda driver? they are losers that swear their cars are better then anything!
they don't even have a convo. "no because i got v-tec. Toyota sucks" thats all they say.

i have respect yes. reliable affordable motors with a tad of performance but in no way to compare to a Toyota.

plus. Toyota is on top and will stay there.

this is just my opinion and what i come to understand from what i hear and the ppl i have spoken too.

[Tred]

tell me how vvti works please, than tell me how vtec works- if you even can.


and you can get off the line fast with a honda, there are plenty sub 1.8 60ft times, slicks, built...ect they have no problem getting off the line if built right.


and you just bashed all honda owners because what a few people think, yet you sound just like them, honda sucks because this, that, this, that, and there owners act like there **** is the best- YOU SOUND JUST LIKE THEM!!!!!

your 5sfe is an econo box pos engine, max hp one has made all motor is under 155- thats weak, not to mention this flamming is coming from a kid who wants to just add nos to make easy power because thats the only way his mr2 will keep up- you do know your engine makes 100whp stock, thats just as gutless as a non vtec honda

your right, they dont compare to toyota, honda has toyota in the power game for 4cyls and thats a fact.


once again this is coming from someone who has a built all motor mr2... not just someone who reads and hears about it from time to time, or who just slaps on nos and expects respect

[ebouwman]

I had an integra, and i never really had a hard time of the line, you have to work a bit more, but i didn't find it that hard. It was never really a super fast car, but it wasn't junk. But do you class the integra as part of honda? Or separate because it's an acura?

But i kinda have to agree mostly with you, they're mostly all gas saving granny cars, but the acura line is actually really nice, some of the new ones are SERIOUSLY powerful!

EDIT: to add to tred's comment the acura i had (which a friend now has) makes roughly the same power from it's 1.8 liter NON-VTEC engine. And your 5sfe has .4 litres on that integra to work with, COME ON!

[328FTW]

Originally Posted by Tred

and you can get off the line fast with a honda, there are plenty sub 1.8 60ft times, slicks, built...ect they have no problem getting off the line if built right.

That goes for anything, I could get a ford pinto to launch if I wanted to. My friend with the turbo b16a has slick tyres that are so big he has trouble turning around to come back and an lsd and still has traction issues, he's not a ricer either he came second in his bracket racing class last season. Part of that reason was he took his auto carby honda down to do consistant times. During autocross he got cleaned up by a mkI SC mr2 bone stock simply because of traction issues, when it hit power band it broke loose and there was not much he could do about it.

Originally Posted by Tred

your right, they dont compare to toyota, honda has toyota in the power game for 4cyls and thats a fact.

I have built up both, they are comparable. The honda engines are potent no doubt but they are not OMG soooooo much better. In stock form they are better than most stock toyota engines but once you start building them there is not much difference. Back to the turbo b16a he has blown it up twice at 6psi. So he brought eagle rods and a closed deck b16a block, special mains and a new manifold. How much of that is actually honda? I could buy special 3sgte stuff as well and then it would be a money contest. On stock internals both brands hold similar horsepower (capacity for capacity) if you mod them before they blow their load on the tarmac. 5sfe is not a performance engine, never going to beat an h22a stock for stock. This arguement is stupid. This thread is now full of people just mouthing off at eath other.

[killermillermr2]

I am done already, I just had to say ^that is funny!

[fvillota]

Originally Posted by Tred

tell me how vvti works please, than tell me how vtec works- if you even can.


and you can get off the line fast with a honda, there are plenty sub 1.8 60ft times, slicks, built...ect they have no problem getting off the line if built right.


and you just bashed all honda owners because what a few people think, yet you sound just like them, honda sucks because this, that, this, that, and there owners act like there **** is the best- YOU SOUND JUST LIKE THEM!!!!!

your 5sfe is an econo box pos engine, max hp one has made all motor is under 155- thats weak, not to mention this flamming is coming from a kid who wants to just add nos to make easy power because thats the only way his mr2 will keep up- you do know your engine makes 100whp stock, thats just as gutless as a non vtec honda

your right, they dont compare to toyota, honda has toyota in the power game for 4cyls and thats a fact.


once again this is coming from someone who has a built all motor mr2... not just someone who reads and hears about it from time to time, or who just slaps on nos and expects respect

1st of all. i didn't say i was gonna nos my 5s. **** you.
i know what vvt-i does and how it works. I was being sarcastic about its popping harder (i go for toyota obviously)

Acura has a sexy as line yes i know but still.

if i want a daily driver and i wanna save gas, I'll go by my ass a ****ing ricer civic.

i know how to drive my lil 5sfe economy pos engine and it drives damn hard and keeps up and mops stock Honda's all ****ing day.
gee how do i know? because Ive tried it and Ive put it up against every ****ing ricer in my damn school.
yes i get beat, I'm not saying its the best.

your wrongggggggg Honda will never have Toyota. ever. and if say Acura I'll say Lexus.

I'm done. like i said before.
you didn't need to respond to that i clearly said its what Ive personally have come to understand and see.

if this offends you turn in ur mr2 and go buy a rice ball, I'll buy the mr2 from you since your complaining

[Tred]

cool, $9500 and its yours

[fvillota]

Originally Posted by Tred

cool, $9500 and its yours

paypal you in about 4 months when i finish mine.

[TreyMR2]

Can't we just agree both honda's and toyota's both have equal potential? Lol I mean the only reason I wouldn't build a honda is cause I don't really like the looks for sport car. Most of them look like commuter cars, not sport cars, pluse just about all of them except the NSX are FWD. Not that FWD can't be fast its just not my thing.

[Jantix]

Apples are better than oranges because they are red, everybody knows the color red is better than orange.

Blood oranges are red and everybody knows oranges taste better than apples. Oranges are really superior to apples in every way.

But apples are easier to eat then oranges, because you don't have to peel them. Apples are a bit less messy then oranges too. You have to be really careful that you don't spray juice everywhere with oranges, and even so you almost always end up hitting someone in the eye.

But of course that just means you suck at eating oranges so if you are a good at eating oranges it shouldn't matter. And if you are not good at eating oranges your opinion doesn't matter.

SO THERE!

I can't figure out how to put nos on an apple or an orange...

[fvillota]

hahaha nice one jantix!

[fvillota]

Originally Posted by TreyMR2

Can't we just agree both honda's and toyota's both have equal potential? Lol I mean the only reason I wouldn't build a honda is cause I don't really like the looks for sport car. Most of them look like commuter cars, not sport cars, pluse just about all of them except the NSX are FWD. Not that FWD can't be fast its just not my thing.

you forgot about the s2000

[TreyMR2]

yeah that one too. Lol

[GENESIS]

Originally Posted by Virtuex91

what is a beams engine?

think of it as a k20 from a rsx type s 200hp all motor form of 3sgte which is a 4th gen 3sge,not bad Im not sure what it stands for I think its BREAKTHROUGH/ENGINE/WITH/ADVANCE MECHANISM /SYSTEMS.

[GENESIS]

Originally Posted by TreyMR2

Can't we just agree both honda's and toyota's both have equal potential? Lol I mean the only reason I wouldn't build a honda is cause I don't really like the looks for sport car. Most of them look like commuter cars, not sport cars, pluse just about all of them except the NSX are FWD. Not that FWD can't be fast its just not my thing.

+1 honda has good engine but unless its the nsx or s2000 im kool with the econo look, toyota chassis
is my cup of tea,you can take the sw20 chassis seriously

[countyboy3188]

A beams will walk a rsx period. The k20z1 which is in the rsx type s as ten more hp than the beams but the beams has 60 more ft/lbs of torque over the rsx.

Plus Tred im pretty you haven't rode in a beams car much less drove one. I have driven both and i can def say the beams will walk a rsx stock for stock.

Of and fyi the k24 has nothing to do with the rsx. it came in a tsx or an accord. its not the block on a k20.

You my friend sound like the 16 y.o. racer wanna be that thinks he knows a lot about engines. Take your bs somewhere else please.

[GENESIS]

Originally Posted by Tred

im confident we can have a normal convo that stays in line,,,,,


im talking about engines, like i said comparing them to the 3sgte and the n/a mr2s, engine vs engine, hondas got the toyota all around.


if you are going to say beams, than you would have to put it against a type r, that would be very close in an autoX, but engine wise the hondas got the beams left and right. built vs built honda has the 3sge's... stock for stock they also have us..


this is coming from someone who has actually built a powerhouse N/A toyota engine, they have us, good for them

Honestly it all comes down to money anything is possible with the right amount of money and that's just the way it is,I have help built Honda engines their good engines its easy to get high end hp in vtec form its a fun engine to rev,but i mean Toyota has vvtl-i too,stock to stock no variable timing about the same except Toyota has the reliability ,you can't say Honda got the Toyota YOU NEVER HAD THE SUPRA-TT!AND i don't think Honda will outclass that in terms off power.I mean tell me a Honda owner that would go against a supra with the same budget pick the fast Honda in stock form against a supra stock form both having 5grand each to mod there cars.I have had a fully built 200hp 4age motor in aw11 without variable timing and that's an 80's engine.what 80's Honda engine can do that!Toyota Atlantic can do 240hp on it.Like i said before it all comes down to money,Chassis wise I would pick a Toyota over a Honda anytime unless I have a big family but then I would see if they all can fit in the supra"s rear seat first.Honda's are cool its the people that drives them is what i don't like, they think their v-tec is so superior that and that their Honda fwd is better than any car that was design for economy.Honda people will nit pick your Rota rims all day long and tell you its not spoon,they will even tell my friend that has c5 z06 that ounce his done putting all MUGEN parts on his civic he will smoke em, its so crazy how honda people are so stuck up and unreasonable.

I met a guy about 5years ago at my local gym who had an 94interga rs with a b18c5 motor but further built,when i saw his engine bay man im telling you now i have never seen anything so modified in an all motor form there was at least 5 grand put into it,I complimented him then he saw my car he said it was alright even when i had a 6000dollar paint on it,vertical doors,lambo conversion lights,half the bodypanels was carbon fiber ans so on,then I showed him my engine bay,it was a fully build blue printed stroked to 2.2 ceramic powers j-spec motor w/ custom built transmission that's on 22psi all day not even in its full potential which at 455hp I had to keep the boost down so i don't keep breaking axles,anyways he ask me for a ride I said ok, right at the on ramp entering the freeway i floored it all the way soon enough I was already at 150mph then I looked at his face he showed no sign of being impressed so i took it to 160+ then he said its kool,so i slowed down and went to the gym on the way back he ask me whats my quarter i said low 11's like 11.3 on a good day with street tires and i took it only twice at sears point,coz I do touge not drag.then I ask him so what do you think? this is where i wanted to cave his face,he said its fast but no disrespect I think my integra can take this out!,I was thinking how can a 1.8 all motor do that?my feelings were hurt so I said 500 dollars says that you will loose by 2 car lengths,he said he had no money but will race for free and had to go home first and tune his car. I doubt he had a dyno at home,so i told him go home come back in 30 mins but the looser will never come to this gym again,he left came back around 1am we agreed to race at this quiet road if i remember it was about roughly 7blocks long enough to get to 60mph quick,race starts
right off the line I was gone he kept up way behind me on my first gear when i shifted to 2nd gear I clearly had nothing to prove but i had to follow through to give him a wakeup call,my friends were there and all his friends were quiet he disappeared for two years and came back to the gym with a wrx stI with and intention to race me but I have already sold my car.I guess he woke up from reality became a man and bought a fast car from the start.

[GENESIS]

Originally Posted by Virtuex91

If properly installed and used correctly would NOS be a good idea to add horsepower to a 5sfe?

hey sup Steve I didn't get a reply from you about sending a check for my rims
after a week I decide to keep it paint it bronze.but anyways to help answer
your question you should be cool with a 50shot dry as long as your mileage is somewhat low and your engine is in good condition.ive had 6 mr2's before
i remember my old 87na being about 150k I was using 50 shot dry ounce every 2 weeks, my third piston lost compression at 187k not while using nitrous but
we all know nitrous helps wear the engine.I maintained it well but drove it hard.I had an 85 aw11 to with 50 shot that a friend installed it worked pretty cool for the time i had it, but it went off on my friend on idle while he was on a stop sign and blew my head gasket so we took of the juice and fix headgasket problem.