6 Speed Tranny.

[1stgen]

SO how do I go about getting a V6 with a 6 speed into my car..what fits..tranny wise. I dont see many people using them and why?

[Mark_Dorman]

Because toyota doesn't make very many in the first place. Much less ones that bolt up to the V6's. Plus the ones that do are kinda pricey from what I remember...

[1stgen]

yeah..

C60 6 Speed
2000-2005 Toyota Celica
Toyota Corolla
2003-2006 Toyota Matrix XRS
2003-2006 Pontiac Vibe GT
2003-2007 Mr2 Roadster/Spyder
C63 6 Speed
C64 6 Speed
2000-2005 Toyota Celica with the 2ZZ-GE engine
Toyota Corolla Sportivo (Australia)
Toyota Corolla TS (Europe)
Toyota Corolla Compressor (Europe)
2005-2006 Toyota Corolla XRS (USA)
Toyota Corolla Fielder Z Aero Tourer (Japan)
Toyota Corolla Runx Z Aero Tourer (Japan)
2004-2007 Lotus Elise (North America/UK) (mid engine application)
2005-2007 Lotus Exige (US/UK) (mid engine application)
C65M 6 Speed
2003-2007 Toyota MR2 Spyder (US/UK/JP) (SMT mid-engine application)
C66/C66M 6 Speed
C160 6 Speed
Toyota AE111 Levin/Trueno


Fill in the blanks...if you can..anyone know of any 6 speeds that bolt to our engines or that work with case mods? i.e. swap internals

[Levi]

Originally Posted by 1stgen

SO how do I go about getting a V6 with a 6 speed into my car..what fits..tranny wise. I dont see many people using them and why?

pro tip: no 6 speed tranny bolts up to a 5s/3vz/1mz/2gr,etc.

also, you don't want a 6 speed

[Mark_Dorman]

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[shimric]

Originally Posted by 1stgen

SO how do I go about getting a V6 with a 6 speed into my car..what fits..tranny wise. I dont see many people using them and why?

Turn water into wine. Or have like 10 grand laying around.

I'll let you pick.

Seriously.

[mr220v]

There have been a few people post that they were able to get a c52 bellhousing on an s54. Soooo, if the rumor is true, you could potentially go the other way with the c160. Put an s54 bellhousing on a 6speed.

I really should try it with this old s54 and c52 bellhousing I have lying around.

[Levi]

What about the shifter cables/shifter bracket...

[mr220v]

The celica's 6speed has been used in the mk1 with a c52 bellhousing. You would use mk1 shift hardware most likely.

So, it would come down to the compatibility of the c160 and the s54 bellhousing. If the rumors of the bellhousing to center casing bolt pattern turn out to be true, then you could have a relatively easy way of putting a 6 speed in a mk2. I guess I should check it out in the next few days to see if this is BS or not.

Of course the gearing would suck for anything except maybe a 3sge.

[Jason.MZW20]

V6 guys have already demolished the C series transaxles. They don't hold up to the torque loads ... and that's also the reason we don't use them.

The only light at the end of the tunnel is the EA/EB 6 speed transaxles: one of which is currently being offered with the 2.5L 2AR-FE (not AZ) 2010 Camry and an MR-layout duo are being offered with the Evora and its Toyota sourced 3.5L 2GR-FE.

The gear ratios are posted in my EA trans thread.

[1stgen]

Originally Posted by Levi

http://www.meikathon.net/roflmao/facepalm.jpg

pro tip: no 6 speed tranny bolts up to a 5s/3vz/1mz/2gr,etc.

also, you don't want a 6 speed

Yes..yes I do..and yes anything bolts to anything..you just have to have the right tools and the right bolts..i know a few people who know a few people who build "big things" that have a few tools...

Originally Posted by Jason.MZW20

V6 guys have already demolished the C series transaxles. They don't hold up to the torque loads ... and that's also the reason we don't use them.

The only light at the end of the tunnel is the EA/EB 6 speed transaxles: one of which is currently being offered with the 2.5L 2AR-FE (not AZ) 2010 Camry and an MR-layout duo are being offered with the Evora and its Toyota sourced 3.5L 2GR-FE.

The gear ratios are posted in my EA trans thread.

This was the info I was hoping for in the building of the thread. I am just getting into the knowledge factor on the V6 side of the house before I start my build and didnt want to start with a Turbo tranny when I could spend 3k and buy a 6 speed to mate up or fab to mate up to a 2gr or 1mz.. Mabye when I get back into the states in Oct. Ill put some footwork into it.

[1stgen]

Originally Posted by Levi

http://www.meikathon.net/roflmao/facepalm.jpg

pro tip: no 6 speed tranny bolts up to a 5s/3vz/1mz/2gr,etc.

also, you really do want a 6 speed its good on gas and your ears

[shimric]

Originally Posted by 1stgen

anything bolts to anything..you just have to have the right tools and the right bolts.

So, I can put this....

In this?

Because with your logic, I should go out and buy that motor tomorrow and get to work.

[1stgen]

Originally Posted by shimric

So, I can put this.... http://images102.fotki.com/v397/phot...jpg?1067708016

In this? http://virginiausedcardealers.com/pe.../39104234A.jpg

Because with your logic, I should go out and buy that motor tomorrow and get to work.

im not saying that you could do it..but it could be done..just wreck one of these? and make a little engine room mabye a little custom tube work for frame support for the rear end..

my point being custom work is custom work. The question posed was has it been done is there one available to try is there anythign on the horizons is anyone in the process...what are the downfalls..and I was pointed to the right thread to continue this on....Thanks go to Jason for "the light at the end of the tunnel" and thanks to Mark for questionign, Why Not?

[Levi]

Damn this is like the 10th 6 speed in a MKII thread i've replied in.

With a torquey motor like most of the v6s, especially the 2gr you want a 5 speed that is spaced out properly. Gouky ended up getting taller gearing than the stock turbo tranny. All toyota 6 speeds are spaced very close together which is inherent to a 6 speed.

Where you do want a 6 speed is in a high revving motor like the celica gt-s and s2000 because you need to keep the revs very high to make power and consequently, both of them came with 6 speeds. With the V6 you have a wide power band so it you don't have to keep it at redline to make good power. In fact, my 3vz has a 6800 redline and when I'm going all out I shift at 6300 because taking it any higher actually is slower because it dies at the end of the rev range.

Not only that but i'm pretty confidant that even a stock 3vz/1mz would destroy a c series pretty quickly much less a 2gr.

The only benefit of the 6 speed would be gas mileage but you would probably trade off performance. Also you shift alot more in a 6 speed which slows you down.

You would be much better off spending that "3k" on suspension and tires than having a 6 speed.

[1stgen]

Originally Posted by Levi

Damn this is like the 10th 6 speed in a MKII thread i've replied in.

With a torquey motor like most of the v6s, especially the 2gr you want a 5 speed that is spaced out properly. Gouky ended up getting taller gearing than the stock turbo tranny. All toyota 6 speeds are spaced very close together which is inherent to a 6 speed.

Where you do want a 6 speed is in a high revving motor like the celica gt-s and s2000 because you need to keep the revs very high to make power and consequently, both of them came with 6 speeds. With the V6 you have a wide power band so it you don't have to keep it at redline to make good power. In fact, my 3vz has a 6800 redline and when I'm going all out I shift at 6300 because taking it any higher actually is slower because it dies at the end of the rev range.

Not only that but i'm pretty confidant that even a stock 3vz/1mz would destroy a c series pretty quickly much less a 2gr.

The only benefit of the 6 speed would be gas mileage but you would probably trade off performance. Also you shift alot more in a 6 speed which slows you down.

You would be much better off spending that "3k" on suspension and tires than having a 6 speed.

I thank you for telling me where I should spend my money :P My broker suggested not spending it on my car but I told him it was an investment in my happiness..

This v6 build will be for a daily driver so really a 5 speed with a 6th gear called "highway" would be optimal. Understood V6 + C series= no good.. V6+E series=meh..swap some gears around and mabye its better? Mabye Ill just roll with one of those nifty auto boxes cut some room in the back and put some paddles on the steering wheel...

[Levi]

Not trying to offend you

imo, an E series gearing is fine for a 3vz/1mz. The best option is a S-51 internals in an S-54 because the S series weighs alot less than the E series.

I DD my 3vz on a S-54 and think its fine gearing wise, the only issue I have is 5th gear being too short. There is a write up on twobrutal of how to swap the 5th gear to a taller 5th gear.

[mr220v]

Originally Posted by Levi

I DD my 3vz on a S-54 and think its fine gearing wise, the only issue I have is 5th gear being too short.

Really? It seemed like all the s54 gears were too short.

The fwd toyota 6speeds are even shorter. It would be horrible on a v6.

The celica gts transmission would probably hold up. It's a somewhat stronger transmission. It seems to share the s54's differential...or at least the mr2 s54 axles have been used with it.

[Levi]

I mean for DD, I don't think you would really feel a difference because you aren't going to be using the taller gearing. The good thing about the V6 and S-54 is that you can skip gears, when I started trying to get good mph I would skip 3rd and sometimes 4th.

I can cruise at 40 mph in 5th and be able to merge/accelerate fine. The drawback of that is at 75+ you are at 3.5k+ Ideally I'd like to make 5th longer and have 4th be my city crusing gear.

There is a really big difference between theory and the real world, I thought the s-54 would suck but its pretty much the same as the 5s shifting wise because well, its the same tranny. Having said that I have only driven my 3vz with the S-54 so I don't actually know how a turbo trans or taller gearing would feel.

If I had the money/skills I'd go with the S-51 internals but not sure how it feel because you would lose some acceleration.

[mr220v]

I think i'd have to insist on an s51 if I were doing a v6. You'd lose some of that off the line punch, but you also wouldn't be through your powerband so fast.

I don't know that you'd have to switch casings either. All you'd probably have to do is the selector shaft drillout trick.