Why not the 5SFE? - Page 6

TomsMR2 · 05-17-2006, 08:24 PM

all in all.. modding a 5sfe just makes it more fun, or a little more uselful to drive. im more concerned about my driving skill and suspension setup, and ive always felt thats what limits my goals, not the motor. its a GREAT motor for beating up on mountain roads, or autoxing.. once its freshened up, it never really breaks, and theres not many components to break anyways.. with a few cheesy mods it'll actually move decently and has a wide band.

the 5sfe isnt the best motor, or the fastest motor, or the biggest power maker, but its decent and depending on what you want out of your car, it can most definately get the job done.

Gairloch · 05-18-2006, 01:02 AM

^^ hear hear!

I think the NA MR2 is a great option for someone into performance driving that wants to tighten down the nut behind the wheel. Can't use your right foot to get you out of trouble

Weasy2k · 05-18-2006, 01:12 AM

wow see that was the entire point....

people thought this engine is crap just because it cant make 700+ HP on stock internals

And funny how most reasons it goes is becaus eof user error/tuning...same as the 3s...heck same as most engines.

Cams cams cams...thats what my other thread is about

erioshi · 05-18-2006, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasy2k

wow see that was the entire point....

people thought this engine is crap just because it cant make 700+ HP on stock internals

And funny how most reasons it goes is becaus eof user error/tuning...same as the 3s...heck same as most engines.

Cams cams cams...thats what my other thread is about

Absolutely! The N/A MR2 is fun to drive, and with a bit of attention could be alot more fun. And while 3sgte swaps aren't all that expensive, I would bet that if your 5sfe power goal was in the 150 range it could be accomplished with some carefully chosen mods and good engine management for less than the cost of a swap. Add in the lower gearing of the N/A and it would feel very sporty.

Please, I don't want anyone to take this as a dis to Tyler, but I just have to have some fun with this quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler H

It's been debated a gazillion times, but it always comes down to this: The 5sfe is an economy engine, and it doesn't matter if you put the pig in a nightgown, you can't make it dance.

The 5sfe is an economy engine for the MR2. But the 1mz-fe, 3vz and several other v6 swap choices are also essentially econo-lumps.

My feeling is that by putting an econo-lump v6 into an MR2 we really are putting a pig in a nightgown. And when we spice up the suspension and add some sticky tires, it does dance.

Interestingly, this is the same heritage that produced the first sports cars.

Weasy2k · 05-18-2006, 05:18 AM

^^ very well said...
its true...its how the owner wants thier car to run and what they want to do to it to run that way.

I love N/A and S/C vehicles...so i am putting a 5vz in my engien and going to invest LOTS of money in making a amazing N/A engine over the next year. Is it the best bang for buck? No...will it be fun...hells yea!

BRAUVIC · 06-01-2006, 07:55 PM

Wow, vacation was nuts. I come back to read this and it got pretty strange. I found a place that will make the rods and pistons at $160 each. along with rings. I have found a few sites that have cams, any suggestions on what is a reliable cam producer/modifier? I am going all out. Its not the idea of being a record setter - to me its the idea of having something with forced induction that isn't the typical turbo setup. Even the Rippmodds set up isn't what I am shooting for. You guys answered the origional question. They said that it could not be done. Good info here. Strange but good. I guess my mentality is that its a low RPM powerplant. Why not use a lower band blower to assist in the system.

TRD-CEO · 06-05-2006, 12:29 AM

I found a place that I am going to do a base run on the dyno Wednesday. I was speaking of the issues of how hard it was to find cams and things. He said if I could get him a 5sfe (to him in Charlotte, NC) that he'd love to work on some. They have a full CNC machine shop and can make just about anything. Let me know if anyone has one or kows where I can get a cheap one for them to use.

Mister2.2 · 06-05-2006, 12:30 AM

^that would be cool, an alternative cam source would be great as well as some dyno runs.

Keep us up to date.

TRD-CEO · 06-05-2006, 01:04 AM

just need a cheap 5sfe head to get them. Anyone know?

Gairloch · 06-07-2006, 12:05 AM

^^ ygpm

TRD-CEO · 06-10-2006, 11:03 AM

Gairloch is working with me to get one together. I'll talk with the shop and see if I can get a time frame once I get a head. I don't wanna pay for the bench time, but if I can find out how many might be interested in a pre-order they might do it for themselves.

TomsMR2 · 06-10-2006, 02:40 PM

i have a head with 3 ports smoothed and pretty reworked.. the last port is just smoothed, but totally stock shaped (damn short side radius is nasty! im sure thats where power is). i gotta find a local place to get some flow bench numbers, with velocity. having installed 2 ported heads, im sure it makes a difference, i just need concrete evidence

TRD-CEO · 06-11-2006, 08:31 PM

The shop at SpeedInnovations in Concord, NC has one. They mostly work on some fast *** honda's...and he's got the trophies to show for it, but he is going to look into diging into the 5sfe head once we get one.

AndrewMcG · 06-11-2006, 11:04 PM

Ive got a 5sfe head I'd send to you for free, just pay the shipping. I can send just the head, no cams, not buckets but it will have valves and springs.

TomsMR2 · 06-12-2006, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRD-CEO

The shop at SpeedInnovations in Concord, NC has one. They mostly work on some fast *** honda's...and he's got the trophies to show for it, but he is going to look into diging into the 5sfe head once we get one.

the only headwork id pay for would be some minor machine work. theres some gains from porting, but its very labor intensive and very expensive to have someone else do it.. the returns you get for the high cost wouldnt be even remotely worth it.

3sgtepower · 06-12-2006, 12:17 PM

If you did all this work to a 3sgte, youd probably have 200+ more whp on the dyno in the end. And I am Not criticizing you for doing this, its just something to think about, as the 5sfe powered MR2's tend to be excellent on the autox courses, over a turbo model, or even more so than if you instead had a modified laggy 400whp, 2650lb NA to T mr2

Mister2.2 · 06-12-2006, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3sgtepower

If you did all this work to a 3sgte, youd probably have 200+ more whp on the dyno in the end. And I am Not criticizing you for doing this, its just something to think about, as the 5sfe powered MR2's tend to be excellent on the autox courses, over a turbo model, or even more so than if you instead had a modified laggy 400whp mr2 turbo.

See post 81 and 82 of this thread please. And no if you did all this work you would not have 200+ more whp on a 3S.

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3sgtepower Banned Seller Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,574 Thanks: 6 Thanked 38 Times in 34 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/75% )	If you did all this work to a 3sgte, youd probably have 200+ more whp on the dyno in the end. And I am Not criticizing you for doing this, its just something to think about, as the 5sfe powered MR2's tend to be excellent on the autox courses, over a turbo model, or even more so than if you instead had a modified laggy 400whp, 2650lb NA to T mr2 Last edited by 3sgtepower; 06-12-2006 at 12:41 PM..

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05-17-2006, 08:24 PM	#101 (permalink)
TomsMR2 Still not heraldo. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pineapple under the sea Posts: 4,911 Thanks: 18 Thanked 406 Times in 303 Posts Blog Entries: 1 iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	all in all.. modding a 5sfe just makes it more fun, or a little more uselful to drive. im more concerned about my driving skill and suspension setup, and ive always felt thats what limits my goals, not the motor. its a GREAT motor for beating up on mountain roads, or autoxing.. once its freshened up, it never really breaks, and theres not many components to break anyways.. with a few cheesy mods it'll actually move decently and has a wide band. the 5sfe isnt the best motor, or the fastest motor, or the biggest power maker, but its decent and depending on what you want out of your car, it can most definately get the job done.

05-18-2006, 01:02 AM	#102 (permalink)
Gairloch Dreaming of apexes Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,313 Thanks: 139 Thanked 296 Times in 264 Posts Blog Entries: 4 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	^^ hear hear! I think the NA MR2 is a great option for someone into performance driving that wants to tighten down the nut behind the wheel. Can't use your right foot to get you out of trouble

05-18-2006, 01:12 AM	#103 (permalink)
Weasy2k What is an MR2? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,891 Thanks: 33 Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	wow see that was the entire point.... people thought this engine is crap just because it cant make 700+ HP on stock internals And funny how most reasons it goes is becaus eof user error/tuning...same as the 3s...heck same as most engines. Cams cams cams...thats what my other thread is about

05-18-2006, 05:18 AM	#105 (permalink)
Weasy2k What is an MR2? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,891 Thanks: 33 Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	^^ very well said... its true...its how the owner wants thier car to run and what they want to do to it to run that way. I love N/A and S/C vehicles...so i am putting a 5vz in my engien and going to invest LOTS of money in making a amazing N/A engine over the next year. Is it the best bang for buck? No...will it be fun...hells yea!

06-01-2006, 07:55 PM	#106 (permalink)
BRAUVIC I dream about 2's Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Wow, vacation was nuts. I come back to read this and it got pretty strange. I found a place that will make the rods and pistons at $160 each. along with rings. I have found a few sites that have cams, any suggestions on what is a reliable cam producer/modifier? I am going all out. Its not the idea of being a record setter - to me its the idea of having something with forced induction that isn't the typical turbo setup. Even the Rippmodds set up isn't what I am shooting for. You guys answered the origional question. They said that it could not be done. Good info here. Strange but good. I guess my mentality is that its a low RPM powerplant. Why not use a lower band blower to assist in the system.

06-05-2006, 12:29 AM	#107 (permalink)
TRD-CEO Need a home? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte Posts: 205 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I found a place that I am going to do a base run on the dyno Wednesday. I was speaking of the issues of how hard it was to find cams and things. He said if I could get him a 5sfe (to him in Charlotte, NC) that he'd love to work on some. They have a full CNC machine shop and can make just about anything. Let me know if anyone has one or kows where I can get a cheap one for them to use.

06-05-2006, 01:04 AM	#109 (permalink)
TRD-CEO Need a home? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte Posts: 205 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	just need a cheap 5sfe head to get them. Anyone know?

06-07-2006, 12:05 AM	#110 (permalink)
Gairloch Dreaming of apexes Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,313 Thanks: 139 Thanked 296 Times in 264 Posts Blog Entries: 4 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	^^ ygpm

06-10-2006, 11:03 AM	#111 (permalink)
TRD-CEO Need a home? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte Posts: 205 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Gairloch is working with me to get one together. I'll talk with the shop and see if I can get a time frame once I get a head. I don't wanna pay for the bench time, but if I can find out how many might be interested in a pre-order they might do it for themselves.

06-10-2006, 02:40 PM	#112 (permalink)
TomsMR2 Still not heraldo. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pineapple under the sea Posts: 4,911 Thanks: 18 Thanked 406 Times in 303 Posts Blog Entries: 1 iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	i have a head with 3 ports smoothed and pretty reworked.. the last port is just smoothed, but totally stock shaped (damn short side radius is nasty! im sure thats where power is). i gotta find a local place to get some flow bench numbers, with velocity. having installed 2 ported heads, im sure it makes a difference, i just need concrete evidence

06-11-2006, 08:31 PM	#113 (permalink)
TRD-CEO Need a home? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte Posts: 205 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	The shop at SpeedInnovations in Concord, NC has one. They mostly work on some fast *** honda's...and he's got the trophies to show for it, but he is going to look into diging into the 5sfe head once we get one.

06-11-2006, 11:04 PM	#114 (permalink)
AndrewMcG Its not lag, Its foreplay Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 756 Thanks: 6 Thanked 19 Times in 17 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	Ive got a 5sfe head I'd send to you for free, just pay the shipping. I can send just the head, no cams, not buckets but it will have valves and springs.