Turbo Upgrade Kits

[mr2ya]

if you truly knew GD thing about an engine or turbo
you would not be argueing so much

as i stated before, not good spelling or grammer.
and some of your tones taken with me
would
surely not be the same in person

[mr2ya]

or anybody else reading this

[mr2magic]

Guy you do seem to know a thing or two about cars and turbos but your seriously pissing on peoples trousers when it comes to a discourse! Try to cool it a little and accept that other people have other opinions and may not change these even if your totally and absolutely right I don't care about your punctuation or grammar as long as I can understand the gist of what your writing. To this end I would ask the following of you:

1) Please stop setting a carriage return after each and every statement. Use a paragraph to set cohert sentences together

2) Please stop posting single thoughts one after the other. Use the edit button if you had a new thought/idea before other people have answered. It makes it so much easier to follow your train of thought.

3) Don't flog a dead horse. If noone wants to argue please don't try and force it.

I sincerely hope you will take these wishes to heart and provide us with more useful information in the future. Thanks.

[Tycoon788]

just leave this post alone unless ur going to contribute to the turbo kits available, not personal opinion..

[mr2magic]

Excuse me?

[Tycoon788]

if u can read u got my point. i just hate when people take things off the main topic.. it gets anoying... like how this went.. and still seems to be going

[mr2magic]

two things for you tycoon:

1) you didn't start the thread so who are you to decide where it goes?
2) if you were a tad more curteous and a little less offensive you may have noticed, that I'm trying to get the thread back on course! So please don't you start pissing on me just becuase you're not getting the input you require.

End of discussion.

[Tycoon788]

i wasnt talking bout u taking this off topic, i jus happened to post after you. If i was talking bout u i woulda said ur name. Wasnt trying to make u mad, sry bud.

[HarrisRacing]

Since this one isn't listed I'm going to list it since I think it would be one of the best bang-for-the-buck turbo setups available. Should be an incredible autox and road race setup as response should be incredible. I bet an EVO 3 16g would destroy my setup (standard td05 small 16g). My estimate is that it would hit at or just over 300 whp.

AutoLab LLC

AutoLab Turbo System #1560

The all new turbo system from AutoLab for the 2nd generation Toyota MR2 is based around the popular and flexible MHI EvoIII Big 16G turbocharger. While other MHI based turbos will fit this system the standard issue unit will be the 16G. Included in the system:
Brand new genuine MHI EvoIII Big 16G turbocharger
Coated adaptor plate, mounts turbo to factory Toyota exhaust manifold
304 stainless downpipe featuring divorced wastegate design, connects turbocharger to factory location exhaust system
Compressor discharge adaptor, bolts to turbocharger to allow a regular "push-fit" style charge pipe connection
Custom hot side intercooler pipe, connects turbocharger discharge to either stock or any aftermarket intercooler kit's piping. This included pipe basically directly replaces the stock cast aluminum Toyota pipe that normally has the stock by-pass valve (BPV) mounted to it. A HKS SSQ or Tial BOV flange is welded to the pipe, the choice is yours.
All hardware, oil supply and return lines and fittings
Details


Weight 40.00 lbs
Price: $1,449.00

[mr2ya]

not bad..

[Sang]

Originally Posted by mr2ya

nothing else to say??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????

No, it's more like:

Originally Posted by Sang

I guess trying to have a civil discussion with you is a lost cause.

But, thanks though.

[mr2magic]

What kind of performance is to be expected from the kit harrisracing posted? I mean could it be woth the money? To be honest I know jack about the 16G turbos. what I do know is that the evo is one extremely fast car. So whats the turbo good for?

[HarrisRacing]

I flowed 42 lbs / min on my EVO 3 16g on a pretty well built mitsu 4g63...so I do know it is totally capable of that much flow...now whatever this equates to performance wise on the 3sgte is totally undetermined. I will post these pictures for comparison though.

CT26 stock US
CT26 60-1 compressor
Stock small 16g.

Particularly the 16g has a MUCH lighter and more efficient looking turbine wheel and housing. THe rotating assembly is A LOT LIGHTER than the ct26, therefore I would think it would spool a lot quicker (and I'm not talking about BOOST THRESHOLD, but spool).

Patrick

[mr2magic]

That is a good pic! Well done. I see what you mean tho. The impeller is the same or maybe larger than the ct26 but the whole housing is way smaller!! Spool up must be at warp speed! But max boost is same??

[HarrisRacing]

I've run 30 psi on an EVO 3 16g in my eclipse...I was scared to run any more than that for obvious reasons. Sorry to confuse, but the 42 lbs/min is at 20 psi and pumpgas. Slowboy Racing made 400 whp on a 4g63 through that "tiny" housing...like I said, it is one of THE BEST turbos for the money.

Patrick

[mr2magic]

WOW How does that teeny weeny housing flow so much? The stock CT26 stops at around 26 doesn't it? It's not a direct bolt on tho is it?

[Sang]

Originally Posted by HarrisRacing

Since this one isn't listed I'm going to list it since I think it would be one of the best bang-for-the-buck turbo setups available. Should be an incredible autox and road race setup as response should be incredible. I bet an EVO 3 16g would destroy my setup (standard td05 small 16g). My estimate is that it would hit at or just over 300 whp.

FWIW, Bill (the guy behind Autolab) was not impressed at all with the EVOIII 16G's performance. This is what he had to say about it:

Originally Posted by Bill

I have fixtures around here somewhere for a MHI evoIII big16G system, they just didnt really do what we wanted them to. They did CT20 like power but for more than CT20 money, so take that for what its worth. I might be able to knock a few out if you guys really want one but truthfully I would just go with one of our T3/T4 systems, they have a hair more lag but tremendous top end over the 16G.

It's existence is primarily for those looking for a brand new turbo setup for cheap.

Others that have made a kit utilizing the EVOIII 16G were not impressed either, Peter from JP Autoworks for one.

HTH,
-Sang

[HarrisRacing]

That's a bummer! Where was this information months ago when I was looking for it??!!

I had a blown turbo...and another one in the shop. that or a 60-1 compressor on a stock CT26, yuck.

So, if it will at least make CT20 power with half the cost (since I had the turbo). AND I can still change the HTH without removing anything, I'm going to be happy. I still don't see how that CT26 could have better response than a 16g...we will see about that.

ALSO, like I said previously, the leg work is done for my setup and when I want a GTBB or T3/T4 all I have to do is give Slowboy a call and free up a day. I still will have that setup for less than $1400.00. Surely it would support up to 350 whp and have great response then.

Thanks for this information...finally.

Patrick

[Tycoon788]

im in the process of getting a new kit for my 2.. price needs to be under 3k n thats about it.. wuts the best bang for my buck? cheaper is better cuz i need to spend some cash on exhaust and a boost controller also

[mr2ya]

16g or newer TD0 was never meant 2 get druge into this...
smaller turbos can rotate at higher rpm's, less wheel and shaft weight takes less
inertia, I should not have said all TD0's sucked for this was a lil drastic.
but when someone ?s my knowledge of reading something as simple as a dyno sheet,
it kinda ticks me off. then when he posted 1st dyno i was surprised to see
a td06 doing this (knowing something was wrong with this as i have reade otherwise
for years) i posted something about the cams or something being altered 2 help do this.
then a few days latter a found out what was actually done to this motor 2 achive this
needless 2 say i was real pissed at this point....
the 3071 was mentioned because thats what i wanted to do but,
the real point i was trying 2 make was t3 adapter bracket was most flexible way 2 go
with over 30 different t3 based turbo's available. you could surely find something for your taste. the 46trim t3t4 kit would cost comparable and out perform td06,
(it did make more trq sooner on typical set up go read the dyno's)same or more peakpwr!
and without much modifing could go with any other t3based turbo you wanted.

TD06 owners i was not trying to piss on your parade!!!!!!!!!!!
new mr2 owners, i was trying help you see a good way to go.

side note DBB turbos have the benefit of spinning 30 to 50000 more rpm
depending on applacation..
of course the higher you go the less hp pr.lbs. of boost you will get
cause you will be leaving its opperating range (center island) on a flow chart
meaning if you had 20psi to make 400hp within its opperating range.
having roughly 10 hp per pound of boost, each pound past that point would not give you the same results, the higher you go lower the rate until chokes up turbine houseing. your turbine houseing must be big enough to get your compressor were it needs to go to opperate correct.
if 20psi=400hp you would think 25=450 if you were near limit at 20psi
you would more likely have 425or 430 maybe less @25psi
this is howyou explain running 25+psi on stock eclipse making like 218whp
had friend do it. you could keep turning up not really gaining anything else very lil.
that took too damn long 2 say....
sorry to all offended