3S-GTE JDM 3rd Gen Turbo Engine Gen3 Debate - Page 12

TreyMR2 · 01-06-2009, 11:39 PM

No offence to anyone that uses it but I think nitros is just BS horse power. Like pretty much any stock car can't handle large enough amounts of it without it hurting them, so I'm not saying some cars that are built for it can't handle it. I just think, if its something you have to fill up and can only use so much of and at certen times, that its not fair horse power. I like how turbo's and superchargers are. The only way I'd ever do nitros is if it was for a pure drag car. Never on my DD or something.

mister3 · 01-06-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TreyMR2

No offence to anyone that uses it but I think nitros is just BS horse power. Like pretty much any stock car can't handle large enough amounts of it without it hurting them, so I'm not saying some cars that are built for it can't handle it. I just think, if its something you have to fill up and can only use so much of and at certen times, that its not fair horse power. I like how turbo's and superchargers are. The only way I'd ever do nitros is if it was for a pure drag car. Never on my DD or something.

the "nitrous" debate has been going on soooo long... only losers cry about it really... on the street/track it's "run what ya brung... and if you lose you didn't bring enough" -- so with that philosophy in mind you make sure you head out "equipped"

but i do agree on the DD point... wouldn't want to run nitrous through it and expect anything to last for 200k miles..... but boosting will also break stuff.... best way to keep a DD IMO is bone stock.

TreyMR2 · 01-08-2009, 02:51 PM

I run like 9-10 psi for the most part DD now days. I only crank up the boost every now and then. When I first did the swap I was boost happy though so it was 18psi EVERYWHERE. Lol Surprisingly nothing broke.

Lj_yay_area · 03-16-2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rhouck

and I see people selling their ct20bs straight off the clips they get for the same price as a ct27... soooo if they wanted to they could just do that...

the fact that you can tune a Gen3 with just boltons and an SAFC to 300+ rwhp (no larger injectors, no turbo upgrades, etc) is pretty impressive imo...

100% STOCK a gen3 w/ 245 crank hp can run ~13.7 through the 1/4 mile.... that's a pretty damn big jump over the gen2's numbers

will yu need larger injectors if yu upgrade to a gen 3?

tonyjh63 · 05-21-2010, 07:26 PM

What intake system are y'all using on your Gen3? Can't seem to find one...

Chris411 · 03-01-2011, 04:13 PM

I know this is old and what not but thanks this has been very informitive for me in planning what motor swap I wanted that would best suit my needs.

LeePeyton · 03-02-2011, 10:35 AM

The 3rd gen 3sgte has magical pixie dust in it. If you are swapping a NA it's genius. If you are going from a 2nd to a 3rd, it makes zero sense to me. But hey what do I know? There are a few differences I just don't understand all the hoopla.

CJMR2T · 03-02-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LeePeyton

The 3rd gen 3sgte has magical pixie dust in it. If you are swapping a NA it's genius. If you are going from a 2nd to a 3rd, it makes zero sense to me. But hey what do I know? There are a few differences I just don't understand all the hoopla.

Well if you already have a gen 2 (turbo obviously) then it really comes down to a few factors. For one, it is about 45hp more so benefit there. They will have less milage, so another benefit there too.

Now if your planning on building internally, then yeah its not really that much of a benefit over a gen 2. However, there are a few minor differences in the chamber on the gen 3 to give it a slightly larger quench area. This if beneficial to detonation suppression which is always a good thing....

So in reality, if your only worried about bolt-on power adders, the gen3 is of benefit as its already starting out with more power despite having lower compression. If your planning on building internally, then the only beneficial item is the head.

LeePeyton · 03-02-2011, 02:09 PM

Thanks for the exacts. Sorry i don't buy the voodoo

It does have it's reasons for a lot of situations though.

TheRayken · 03-03-2011, 02:02 AM

Well I have a 91 that was originally n/a, has a full 3sgte swap, but it's a 91 1st gen motor. I'm sofar not liking the engine much and I'm thinking of going for a 2nd or 3rd gen 3sgte. Think it's worth it? I'm not looking for neck breaking power, I just want a reliable car the can get up and go, and I like the idea of a Maf instead of a Afm. Also I live in Canada so it should be pretty easy for me too find a jdm engine too swap in

250rwhp is all I need in a 2500lb car haha. Thoughts? I have a thread so we don't clutter up this one.

mister3 · 03-03-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRayken

Well I have a 91 that was originally n/a, has a full 3sgte swap, but it's a 91 1st gen motor. I'm sofar not liking the engine much and I'm thinking of going for a 2nd or 3rd gen 3sgte. Think it's worth it? I'm not looking for neck breaking power, I just want a reliable car the can get up and go, and I like the idea of a Maf instead of a Afm. Also I live in Canada so it should be pretty easy for me too find a jdm engine too swap in

250rwhp is all I need in a 2500lb car haha. Thoughts? I have a thread so we don't clutter up this one.

have a first gen in there from a 88-89 all-trac? if not you do have a gen2 3sgte already but going gen3 is pretty sweet just right out of the box.

TheRayken · 03-03-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mister3

have a first gen in there from a 88-89 all-trac? if not you do have a gen2 3sgte already but going gen3 is pretty sweet just right out of the box.

Lol no your right it's a gen2 I got confused haha. Well that's what I'm hoping for, more reliable, and a little more power. Seems like the 2gen is a little slower on the draw and isnt very responsive. I guess it wouldn't be too hard of a swap too hey?

mister3 · 03-03-2011, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRayken

Lol no your right it's a gen2 I got confused haha. Well that's what I'm hoping for, more reliable, and a little more power. Seems like the 2gen is a little slower on the draw and isnt very responsive. I guess it wouldn't be too hard of a swap too hey?

sounds like a gen3 would be right up your alley

kyn3sys · 03-07-2011, 04:43 PM

I too will be swapping a gen3 in my 93T. I currently have a working gen2 and came across a gen3 for a very cheap price and its also local.

I know it wouldn't make any logical sense to waste my money for a gen3, but seeing as my power goal would only be around 300whp range, I feel like this could be a great investment. I can sell my gen2 + ct20b and make all my money back.

Forgot to mention, this is my daily driver.

LeePeyton · 03-10-2011, 09:39 AM

How does the 3rd gen have more reliability?

mister3 · 03-10-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LeePeyton

How does the 3rd gen have more reliability?

for mild BPU the 3rd gen is more reliable because (a) lower mileage (b) better ECU tuning (c) metal headgasket from factory (d) better oiling system (e) larger factory injectors

many more things i could toss in there but for around the 300whp mark and factory driveability/reliability 3rd gen the better way to go

Benckj · 03-10-2011, 05:24 PM

On the relability can I also add (f) better engine cooling ports (g) no AFM and (h) larger capacity FP.

jimb

Wordsmith · 04-20-2011, 07:48 PM

Hey, I was wondering if anyone knew the difference in the long blocks for the Gen3 ST205 3sgte and the SW20 3sgte?

mister3 · 04-20-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wordsmith

Hey, I was wondering if anyone knew the difference in the long blocks for the Gen3 ST205 3sgte and the SW20 3sgte?

longblocks are identical. what's bolted to them are slightly different. st205 longblock is mainly used as a replacement engine for a gen3 already mr2. to be used for a swap good luck with that

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TheRayken Cage Fighter Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Well I have a 91 that was originally n/a, has a full 3sgte swap, but it's a 91 1st gen motor. I'm sofar not liking the engine much and I'm thinking of going for a 2nd or 3rd gen 3sgte. Think it's worth it? I'm not looking for neck breaking power, I just want a reliable car the can get up and go, and I like the idea of a Maf instead of a Afm. Also I live in Canada so it should be pretty easy for me too find a jdm engine too swap in 250rwhp is all I need in a 2500lb car haha. Thoughts? I have a thread so we don't clutter up this one. Last edited by TheRayken; 03-03-2011 at 02:04 AM.. Reason: Spelling

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01-06-2009, 11:39 PM	#221 (permalink)
TreyMR2 Gen3 swap DONE!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,472 Thanks: 30 Thanked 60 Times in 58 Posts iTrader Rating: (10/100% )	No offence to anyone that uses it but I think nitros is just BS horse power. Like pretty much any stock car can't handle large enough amounts of it without it hurting them, so I'm not saying some cars that are built for it can't handle it. I just think, if its something you have to fill up and can only use so much of and at certen times, that its not fair horse power. I like how turbo's and superchargers are. The only way I'd ever do nitros is if it was for a pure drag car. Never on my DD or something.

01-08-2009, 02:51 PM	#223 (permalink)
TreyMR2 Gen3 swap DONE!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,472 Thanks: 30 Thanked 60 Times in 58 Posts iTrader Rating: (10/100% )	I run like 9-10 psi for the most part DD now days. I only crank up the boost every now and then. When I first did the swap I was boost happy though so it was 18psi EVERYWHERE. Lol Surprisingly nothing broke.

05-21-2010, 07:26 PM	#225 (permalink)
tonyjh63 Cage Fighter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	What intake system are y'all using on your Gen3? Can't seem to find one...

03-01-2011, 04:13 PM	#226 (permalink)
Chris411 Some Skills Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 73 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	I know this is old and what not but thanks this has been very informitive for me in planning what motor swap I wanted that would best suit my needs.

03-02-2011, 10:35 AM	#227 (permalink)
LeePeyton Building Motor from Hell Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tennessee/USA Posts: 1,696 Thanks: 23 Thanked 67 Times in 61 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	The 3rd gen 3sgte has magical pixie dust in it. If you are swapping a NA it's genius. If you are going from a 2nd to a 3rd, it makes zero sense to me. But hey what do I know? There are a few differences I just don't understand all the hoopla.

03-02-2011, 02:09 PM	#229 (permalink)
LeePeyton Building Motor from Hell Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tennessee/USA Posts: 1,696 Thanks: 23 Thanked 67 Times in 61 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Thanks for the exacts. Sorry i don't buy the voodoo It does have it's reasons for a lot of situations though.

03-07-2011, 04:43 PM	#234 (permalink)
kyn3sys They see me trolling... Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 161 Thanks: 8 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	I too will be swapping a gen3 in my 93T. I currently have a working gen2 and came across a gen3 for a very cheap price and its also local. I know it wouldn't make any logical sense to waste my money for a gen3, but seeing as my power goal would only be around 300whp range, I feel like this could be a great investment. I can sell my gen2 + ct20b and make all my money back. Forgot to mention, this is my daily driver.

03-10-2011, 09:39 AM	#235 (permalink)
LeePeyton Building Motor from Hell Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tennessee/USA Posts: 1,696 Thanks: 23 Thanked 67 Times in 61 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	How does the 3rd gen have more reliability?

03-10-2011, 05:24 PM	#237 (permalink)
Benckj Jim- NZ Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alexandra, NZ Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 3 Thanked 96 Times in 95 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	On the relability can I also add (f) better engine cooling ports (g) no AFM and (h) larger capacity FP. jimb

04-20-2011, 07:48 PM	#238 (permalink)
Wordsmith Reefer skill Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sacramento Posts: 21 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Hey, I was wondering if anyone knew the difference in the long blocks for the Gen3 ST205 3sgte and the SW20 3sgte?