3SGTE: Turbo Upgrade Kits

[Sang]

Originally Posted by Tycoon788

im in the process of getting a new kit for my 2.. price needs to be under 3k n thats about it.. wuts the best bang for my buck? cheaper is better cuz i need to spend some cash on exhaust and a boost controller also

What you need to do is sit down, and plan out what your power goals are. How much you want to spend will not correlate to how much performance you'll get. You could potentially buy the most expensive kit out there (Full Race's GT setup using their twin scroll ram horn manifold) and be no where close to where you want as far as powerband goes.

[ats_scott]

Originally Posted by mr2ya

my knowledge of reading something as simple as a dyno sheet,
it kinda ticks me off. then when he posted 1st dyno i was surprised to see
a td06 doing this (knowing something was wrong with this as i have reade otherwise
for years) i posted something about the cams or something being altered 2 help do this.
then a few days latter a found out what was actually done to this motor 2 achive this
needless 2 say i was real pissed at this point....

Are you referring to my dyno chart posted by Sang? If so, what pissed you off about it?

[Sang]

Originally Posted by ats_scott

Are you referring to my dyno chart posted by Sang? If so, what pissed you off about it?

He's probably upset that I didn't disclose that you, Jeff, or Sergey were running a stoker motors...Although I said it was built and tuned specifically for mid-range torque. And what else gives more torque than more displacement?

BTW - I didn't say you couldn't read dyno graphs, if you followed my posts, I was giving rebuttal with factual dyno's that say contrary.

[mr2ya]

staggerd cams....
cam timing????????
and displacement...........
if you read the dyno's of typical setups.
46trim makes as much or more peak and 20 -50ft.lbs in sooner and all over the board..
you came at me saying td06 could spool the same.
posting a crazy uncompareble engine to the discusion..........................
the td06 was designed in the early 80's for a larger displacment diesel engines..
there have been people use old diesel turbo's on 4cyl's with decent results...

if you find turbo'sn places as ebay and seem cheap compared to what they
should cost. this because they are not telling you this,was from sort diesel or old factory turbo for a car
example t04b is a 400hp turbo but its huge exhaust housing makes it unuseable on
most 4cyl's, it would be a decent single turbo for v6 or v8 seen old 95 impala
single t04b 400whp and more trq than that.
if you go to any local diesel/18 wheeler turbo builder, this turbo can be had retail new
for about $330 $400 depending how you come at the guy.
if you approach anybody in automotive business that doesnt deal with import cars.
with a " know it all" atitude they well likely charge the sh** out of you or not deal with at all...
alot of so called t3,t4 on ebay are such things as old SVO mustang turbo's.
not even being a real 4,3 hybrid..
you should not write home to mom about making
300 somthing WHP while useing RACEGAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as the 46 trim needs to use this as well..
you are taking your turbo out of itsrange making them blow hot....
and i know we have heat issues w/o a big front bumper ramming cool air
on our engines an FMIC, but daaamnnnnn..

[Sang]

Originally Posted by mr2ya

with a " know it all" atitude they well likely charge the sh** out of you or not deal with at all...

When did I say I knew it all? I was refuting your overly vague generalization that MHI/Greddy turbos are pure garbage.

Originally Posted by mr2ya

alot of so called t3,t4 on ebay are such things as old SVO mustang turbo's.
not even being a real 4,3 hybrid..

When did Ebay become part of this?

Originally Posted by mr2ya

you should not write home to mom about making
300 somthing WHP while useing RACEGAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as the 46 trim needs to use this as well..

That's why there are different turbos for different people. The person looking for a turbo that small obviously isn't looking to achieve the same goals as someone looking to use a GT4294. Which is why so many turbos work for various people.

[mr2ya]

with over 30 differnent t3 based turbo' from more than one manufacturer
if you cant find something in there for your tastes. then something is wrong...........

ebay comment was for anyone thinking of risking ordering
$200 turbo that seems to good to be true............
cause it is!!!
the deal about diesels was trying to explain 2 you or anyone else
that this was not designed for our car.
if you are not trying to make much power.
racegas want even be a option............................................ .....
if you know what your doing??????????????????

[mr2ya]

Originally Posted by Sang

BTW - I didn't say you couldn't read dyno graphs, if you followed my posts, I was giving rebuttal with factual dyno's that say contrary.

but they did not say contrary.
only proved me right...
thx by the way...

[Sang]

Originally Posted by mr2ya

but they did not say contrary.
only proved me right...
thx by the way...

Originally Posted by mr2ya

how about gt35r makes 200lbs. by 4000 rpm
before only starting to slope down at 8000 rpm

New school 35R already posted Turbo Upgrade Kits
Old school t78 already posted http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2reco...orolyov704.jpg

Ok?

But whatever, you'll have your opinions and i'll have mine.

-Sang

[mr2ya]

Originally Posted by Sang

New school 35R already posted Turbo Upgrade Kits
Old school t78 already posted http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2reco...orolyov704.jpg

Ok?

But whatever, you'll have your opinions and i'll have mine.

-Sang

what color is the sky in your world?

[HarrisRacing]

Those two dynos have 7 psi difference on boost pressures. That's alot on those big turbos.

Like I said, the "NEW FANGLED" GT BB turbos don't show a ridiculous increase in performance over some of the older "outdated" journal bearing types. No doubt they are better, but to quantify how much you'd need to put the exact same trim turbo on the exact same car. BUT, none of the GT turbos have exact same setups as the older ones (trim, housings, etc) so you really could never replicate this test accurately.

SO, in conclusion, I think you guys are arguing over something that can't really be proven the way you are trying to do it.

Patrick

[Sang]

Originally Posted by HarrisRacing

Those two dynos have 7 psi difference on boost pressures. That's alot on those big turbos.

Keep in mind that 7 psi difference is also about 70whp difference. But the point wasn't about peak power. It was to clearly show the old tech turbo hitting 200 before the 35R did while having similar AUC with trail off at past 8000.

Originally Posted by HarrisRacing

I think you guys are arguing over something that can't really be proven the way you are trying to do it.

Thank you. To think I've almost given up on this board where individuals have a severe lack in communication skills, reading and comprehension ability.

Originally Posted by Sang

I've yet to see any definitive experiments showing DBB centers showing improved spool over a properly sized, journal bearing turbo. Transient response for on and off throttle definitely feels better, however.

[HarrisRacing]

I agree.

Especially after looking at the dyno's the 35r is on a stroker motor with smaller cams and still doesn't hit the same torque! Things that make you go hmmm.

I must have skipped the post where you stated that last quote the first time. - Sorry for that.

Patrick

[mr2ya]

you have now blown more hot air than your td06 does!

once again you hand pick the dyno's that say what you want.
that is the worst example of a 35r on 3sgte, on the same web site their are much better dyno's than that. and a t88 is more like a 800-1000hp turbo, you idiot!
the 10hp per pound of boost was a example, this is rule of thumb that is very loose
and flexible. each turbo has its on amount of air it can succesfully flow.
one very small turbo may make 5 or so hp per pound, large may make as high as 20hp
per pound or more, learn what the hell your talking about before you say something!!!!!!
its how much air you flow idiot not psi!!
psi is unit given to measure pressure in a given space not how power or air your flowing!!

if you go to ATS and or KORACING's web site (which i know you have) look at the dyno's for
your stupide little TD06 turbo and the 46trim , you will find a a stock mr2 with bigger injectors and nothing else , but a 46trim T4,3 turbo 17psi got him 307 peak whp,
with about 140lbs.ft of trq @2500rpm and 200@ 3500 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the TD06 in same situation made 299peak whp on 19psi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with about 120lbs.ft of trq @2500rpm and 165@ 3500 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
their are more than one dyno to back this up and has been for about 10yrs now!

even if none of this were true (which it is!) the fact you have over 30 options with turbos makes this by far the best alternative out there for the mr2.

why would you buy a kit that limits you to 2 or so turbos (i dont know all the TD0's that will fit but i know its not many)

now could you understand that "scooter"?

[91_two]

td06 is better than a 46trim. More peak power and spool. Td06 can spool hit 200lbs.ft @ 2700rpm and still make 304whp. Change the setup you can make 391whp @ 17psi.

What do you mean not all td06's fit? Mitsubishi and Greddy both fit. td05 fits, td07 fits.

[mr2ya]

are you sure you know what your talkn bout?

[91_two]

Yes. Show me a sb46 spool by 200lbs.ft @ 2700rpm and still make 304whp. Also show me the highest HP sb46 dyno. td06 is above both. Have you had a bad sexual encounter with a td06, you seem to have a lot of anger towards it.

[mr2ya]

td06 has never done that on a stock engine!
dyno's dont lie, these numbers have been the same for more than 10 yrs.
why would anybody in their right mind even consider this turbo.
anger towards idiots still trying to push this crap on unsuspecting newbs 2 the game.

[91_two]

Because no stock engine is going to make 300whp, are you retarded? They come stock with 200hp. Any mod is aftermarket. No stock engined mr2 will make any more than stock power. FCD isnt stock, EMS isnt stock, boost controller isnt stock. Thats just stupid. Has a td06 done that on a modded motor? YES.

I know dynos dont lie, and when a td06 spools by 200lbs.ft @ 2700rpm and still make 304whp that isnt a lie.

Now has this turbo made this much power on a modded engine? Yes
Has a sb46 made over 300hp on a modded engine? Yes

Sb46 doesnt make 300whp on a stock engine I am sorry to inform you.

Why do poeple push this on new people with a mr2? Because its a great bang for the buck be it rom tune or a EMS. It makes more power than a sb46.

Like sang said before, your like talking to a wall.

[mr2ya]

stock mr2 w/ 550 injectors nothing else 307whp @17psi
stock mr2 w/550 injectors nothing else 299whp@19psi
td06 has never done what your claiming.
only made 165lbs.ft @ 3500 way cant you read?

i know what stock is.
been doing this way longer than you guys.
you dont know sh**

PEOPLE IF YOU WANT TO WASTE YOUR MONEY GET A TD06 KIT.
THESE GUYS HAVE NOT BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT THE HELL
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY ARE MAD AND SAD THEY GOT THIS TURBO (IN DENIAL!)
OR ARE SELLING THIS TURBO ON THEIR SITE.
FOR OVER 10YRS DYNO RESULTS, PEOPLES COMMENTS AND TESTIMONIALS HAVE
CONFIRMED THIS. JUST LOOK AROUND!
EVERYONE I HAVE EVER TALKED TO SAID THE SAME THING.
THEY OWNED IT, SWAPPED OUT FOR A T3 ADAPTER KIT
AND CANT BELEIVE THEY WASTED THEIR TIME AND MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

IM TRYING TO STEER PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. (NO HIDDEN AGENDA HERE!)
UNLIKE DUMB & DUMBER.

its easier to talk to a wall than a kid that dont know sh**!

[91_two]

Wow you are honestly the stupidest member here, as well as most annoying.

If you want to argue, learn to type first off.

Originally Posted by mr2ya

stock mr2 w/ 550 injectors nothing else 307whp @17psi
stock mr2 w/550 injectors nothing else 299whp@19psi

Nothing else? List of mods please, I am pretty sure a boost controller is not stock, a upgraded intercooler is not stock. Did he have the stock exhaust and downpipe and cat? That is not stock. Did he have a bored out or after market fuel rail? That is not stock.

THAT IS NOT STOCK! So you are wrong. Post the dynos please.

td06. I meant 394 not 304..I have proof, as you say dynos do not lie.
200lbs.ft @ 2700rpm and still make 394whp


Pump gas 18psi


Pump gas 14.5psi 550cc


So post up these dynos of a sb46 being better.

I think ATS has been around a long time longer than you and know what they are talking about, as well as have hundreds of dynos and info on both turbos. td06>sb46.

Originally Posted by mr2ya

only made 165lbs.ft @ 3500 way cant you read?

Umm look at the dynos.