3S-GTE USDM Turbo Engine ssautochrome t3/t4 any good? - Page 16

Bak@EMSPowered · 05-04-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

still running stock .. if the kit turns out to be good ill probably get one when i get a boost controller, fuel cut defender, etc .. b/c i know the stock one will start heat soaking

EDIT: i cleaned out the stock one earlier today, LOADS of dirt / oil / some metal came out .. but a can of brake cleaner took car of it .. now its squeeky clean .. just gotta clean out the charge pipes and i should be metal shavings clean and ready to go ..

i gotta take the throttle body inlet (where the intercooler pipe clamps too) to college tommorow and get a hole drilled and tapped for a vacuum / boost nipple for the external wastegate ..

do NOT get the waste gate boost source from the throttle body inlet. You want the boost source for the wastegate as close to the turbo compressor housing as possible. Most people tap a nipple directly onto the compressor housing or onto the hotpipe coming directly off of the turbo.

Adrians89MR2SC · 05-04-2008, 07:31 PM

should have it up / runnin tommorow .. just gotta get that vacuum nippe tapped into the throttle body, then its just boltin up the IC, IC pipes, AFM, fill up with regular oil, etc

dyno will come as soon as i find out about a dyno day, shouldnt be long though ..

Adrians89MR2SC · 05-04-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by baktasht

do NOT get the waste gate boost source from the throttle body inlet. You want the boost source for the wastegate as close to the turbo compressor housing as possible. Most people tap a nipple directly onto the compressor housing or onto the hotpipe coming directly off of the turbo.

oh, well damn .. thats not what ive been told, mr2gq has his on the throttle body inlet

but i kinda get why it should be torwards the compressor, incase a pipe blows off your turbo will just keep spoolin ??

i guess i could put it in the hot pipe then ..

Bak@EMSPowered · 05-04-2008, 07:46 PM

No... thats not why. Its so that you have more accurate wastegate control. There is a lot of pressure difference between the compressor of the turbo and the throttle body. Depending on your intercooler and piping setup you will see anywhere from 1-4psi of pressure difference.

Adrians89MR2SC · 05-04-2008, 07:51 PM

so if i put it on the hot pipe would the wastegate be more responsive / accurate than if it was on the TB inlet?

Bak@EMSPowered · 05-04-2008, 09:41 PM

Adrians89MR2SC · 05-04-2008, 09:44 PM

i went out there and looked .. the hotpipe i got isnt that thick .. its a aftermarket with a bov welded onto it

will it make that much of a difference putting it on the TB inlet .. mr2gq, and the2ndr have there external wastegate nipple on the TB inlet and the2ndr has dyno sheets for over 310rwhp that he showed me the other day when i bought the timing covers and tensioner from him(not the ssac kit, some other turbo)

EDIT: just mr2gq is running the wg line off the tb inlet ..

the2ndr · 05-04-2008, 09:48 PM

wg and tb nipple?

I had a water injection nozzle that was coming off my tb. Vacuum for the wastegate came from the compressor housing on my turbo!

Adrians89MR2SC · 05-04-2008, 09:52 PM

oh, my bad .. thats what it was for ..

nevermind .. i guess i can take my hot pipe down to college tommorow and see what they think .. if they think its too thin, then ill just put it on the tb inlet ..

shimric · 05-04-2008, 09:52 PM

dun dun dun......

Better call up mr2gq and tell him he did it wrong.

shimric · 05-04-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

oh, my bad .. thats what it was for ..

nevermind .. i guess i can take my hot pipe down to college tommorow and see what they think .. if they think its too thin, then ill just put it on the tb inlet ..

Why not just drill/tap here?

A good cleaning would get rid of what metal shavings that would come abouts....

From looking at ebay t3/t4's that's where it was drilled/tapped for the ext. wastegate nip

Adrians89MR2SC · 05-04-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shimric

dun dun dun......

Better call up mr2gq and tell him he did it wrong.

i dont think he is gonna worry about that first .. last time i talked to him he was having issues with the IC lines and something about a JB welded bov that came off

neways, i think he got it all sorted

Adrians89MR2SC · 05-04-2008, 09:58 PM

actually .. damn good idea shimric

i was going to say i really dont want to take the turbo off .. but i just realized that there are only 6 bolts holding the compressor housing on and there all loose so i can clock the housing ..

i could probably take the old nipple off my ct26 .. anyone know if its screwed in or molded .. if its molded ill just use the nipple i got with the kit

shimric · 05-04-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

actually .. damn good idea shimric

i was going to say i really dont want to take the turbo off .. but i just realized that there are only 6 bolts holding the compressor housing on and there all loose so i can clock the housing ..

i could probably take the old nipple of my ct26 .. anyone know if its screwed in or molded .. if its molded ill just use the nipple i got with the kit

Use the one you have that came with the kit, tear turbo apart & take it to your schools machine shop (If it has one)

Adrians89MR2SC · 05-04-2008, 10:04 PM

yep we got one .. i just gotta take out the six little bolts and the turbo compressor housing comes off .. i had it off earlier to take pics ..

we got a machine shop and automotive tech. .. either one should be able to drill and tap the hole ..

shimric · 05-04-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

yep we got one .. i just gotta take out the six little bolts and the turbo compressor housing comes off .. i had it off earlier to take pics ..

we got a machine shop and automotive tech. .. either one should be able to drill and tap the hole ..

Machine shop. They have all the proper tools, vert. mil, drill press, taps, dies, ect. I wouldn't trust an automotive tech to do machinist work.

I did a few projects for people when I was in school for machining. You could prob get it done for free.

Adrians89MR2SC · 05-04-2008, 10:10 PM

yea .. i can get it done for free .. i fixed that teachers truck the other day, his door was sagging about 2 inches so i had to weld up his hinges and put in new pins and bushings .. somewhat a pita

newasy .. ill take it down there and get it done, they keep bringing there projects down to us to get painted ..

hell_rider · 05-04-2008, 11:00 PM

take a look at this http://www.mr2.com/forums/vbpgimage....5&d=1209938184
Thats my turbo . on the pic that shimric posted where the ''?'' is u can see that on the turbo i got i already hada nipple on it . the solenoid there is for boost controller i have and goes down to the waste gate . save my pic and zoom at it and ull see what i mean

btw manifold looks hot !

Adrians89MR2SC · 05-04-2008, 11:04 PM

yea i see it .. im gonna take it off tommorow morning and get it done ..

i like how the manifold looks, now its just gotta stay in one piece or itll be hanging on the wall and a adapter is going in on the stock mani ..

hell_rider · 05-04-2008, 11:05 PM

oh oh oh found a better pic from the first days i installed the kit . btw get a very thick vacuum hose that can stand ALOT of heat even if it touches the manifold or something else there . silicone ones will not do ! burnt 3-4 until i learned my lesson thats why in the previous pic u can see its a black one and not blue

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Adrians89MR2SC Build,Drive,Sell,Repeat Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McDonough, Ga Posts: 895 Thanks: 9 Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	i went out there and looked .. the hotpipe i got isnt that thick .. its a aftermarket with a bov welded onto it will it make that much of a difference putting it on the TB inlet .. mr2gq, and the2ndr have there external wastegate nipple on the TB inlet and the2ndr has dyno sheets for over 310rwhp that he showed me the other day when i bought the timing covers and tensioner from him(not the ssac kit, some other turbo) EDIT: just mr2gq is running the wg line off the tb inlet .. Last edited by Adrians89MR2SC; 05-04-2008 at 09:52 PM..

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05-04-2008, 07:31 PM	#302 (permalink)
Adrians89MR2SC Build,Drive,Sell,Repeat Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McDonough, Ga Posts: 895 Thanks: 9 Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	should have it up / runnin tommorow .. just gotta get that vacuum nippe tapped into the throttle body, then its just boltin up the IC, IC pipes, AFM, fill up with regular oil, etc dyno will come as soon as i find out about a dyno day, shouldnt be long though ..

05-04-2008, 07:46 PM	#304 (permalink)
Bak@EMSPowered Banned Seller Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,925 Thanks: 30 Thanked 193 Times in 165 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (49/93% )	No... thats not why. Its so that you have more accurate wastegate control. There is a lot of pressure difference between the compressor of the turbo and the throttle body. Depending on your intercooler and piping setup you will see anywhere from 1-4psi of pressure difference.

05-04-2008, 07:51 PM	#305 (permalink)
Adrians89MR2SC Build,Drive,Sell,Repeat Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McDonough, Ga Posts: 895 Thanks: 9 Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	so if i put it on the hot pipe would the wastegate be more responsive / accurate than if it was on the TB inlet?

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the2ndr yes, I miss it! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: atl,ga Posts: 422 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	wg and tb nipple? I had a water injection nozzle that was coming off my tb. Vacuum for the wastegate came from the compressor housing on my turbo!

05-04-2008, 09:52 PM	#309 (permalink)
Adrians89MR2SC Build,Drive,Sell,Repeat Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McDonough, Ga Posts: 895 Thanks: 9 Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	oh, my bad .. thats what it was for .. nevermind .. i guess i can take my hot pipe down to college tommorow and see what they think .. if they think its too thin, then ill just put it on the tb inlet ..

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shimric OT Ruler, Thread Hijacker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: tom's moms house Posts: 1,510 Thanks: 42 Thanked 49 Times in 42 Posts Blog Entries: 1 iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	dun dun dun...... Better call up mr2gq and tell him he did it wrong.

05-04-2008, 09:58 PM	#313 (permalink)
Adrians89MR2SC Build,Drive,Sell,Repeat Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McDonough, Ga Posts: 895 Thanks: 9 Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	actually .. damn good idea shimric i was going to say i really dont want to take the turbo off .. but i just realized that there are only 6 bolts holding the compressor housing on and there all loose so i can clock the housing .. i could probably take the old nipple off my ct26 .. anyone know if its screwed in or molded .. if its molded ill just use the nipple i got with the kit

05-04-2008, 10:04 PM	#315 (permalink)
Adrians89MR2SC Build,Drive,Sell,Repeat Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McDonough, Ga Posts: 895 Thanks: 9 Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	yep we got one .. i just gotta take out the six little bolts and the turbo compressor housing comes off .. i had it off earlier to take pics .. we got a machine shop and automotive tech. .. either one should be able to drill and tap the hole ..

05-04-2008, 10:10 PM	#317 (permalink)
Adrians89MR2SC Build,Drive,Sell,Repeat Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McDonough, Ga Posts: 895 Thanks: 9 Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	yea .. i can get it done for free .. i fixed that teachers truck the other day, his door was sagging about 2 inches so i had to weld up his hinges and put in new pins and bushings .. somewhat a pita newasy .. ill take it down there and get it done, they keep bringing there projects down to us to get painted ..

05-04-2008, 11:00 PM	#318 (permalink)
hell_rider Streetracing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cyprus Posts: 190 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	take a look at this http://www.mr2.com/forums/vbpgimage....5&d=1209938184 Thats my turbo . on the pic that shimric posted where the ''?'' is u can see that on the turbo i got i already hada nipple on it . the solenoid there is for boost controller i have and goes down to the waste gate . save my pic and zoom at it and ull see what i mean btw manifold looks hot !

05-04-2008, 11:04 PM	#319 (permalink)
Adrians89MR2SC Build,Drive,Sell,Repeat Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McDonough, Ga Posts: 895 Thanks: 9 Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	yea i see it .. im gonna take it off tommorow morning and get it done .. i like how the manifold looks, now its just gotta stay in one piece or itll be hanging on the wall and a adapter is going in on the stock mani ..

05-04-2008, 11:05 PM	#320 (permalink)
hell_rider Streetracing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cyprus Posts: 190 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	oh oh oh found a better pic from the first days i installed the kit . btw get a very thick vacuum hose that can stand ALOT of heat even if it touches the manifold or something else there . silicone ones will not do ! burnt 3-4 until i learned my lesson thats why in the previous pic u can see its a black one and not blue