3SGTE: ssautochrome t3/t4 any good?

[Adrians89MR2SC]

im going to look at it sometime this week ..

i will let everyone know how it looks, and im probably going to get one for myself

new ct26 - $500

new t3/t4 kit - $440 .. and replacement turbos are less than $200 / pop

[mr2magic]

Yeah right hmong337 let's all go out and buy the ssautcrap kit and test it just so we can offer advice! good idea

Seriously though - no one is stopping you from buying anything from them! Just ask yourself where they are cutting costs. Of course there are people out there who are happy with the kit, I for one don't dispute that, but the majority of people who have had the pleasure complain about bad quality (manifold breaking, turbo leaking oil, turbo housing cracking...**** man, the list is almost endless!!). AFAIK these turbos are made in China without any QC, balancing or anything. Sorry but I don't like the idea of my turbo flying apart under load, if you do then good luck to you.

Oh and don't dare say you weren't warned!

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by mr2magic

Yeah right hmong337 let's all go out and buy the ssautcrap kit and test it just so we can offer advice! good idea

Seriously though - no one is stopping you from buying anything from them! Just ask yourself where they are cutting costs. Of course there are people out there who are happy with the kit, I for one don't dispute that, but the majority of people who have had the pleasure complain about bad quality (manifold breaking, turbo leaking oil, turbo housing cracking...**** man, the list is almost endless!!). AFAIK these turbos are made in China without any QC, balancing or anything. Sorry but I don't like the idea of my turbo flying apart under load, if you do then good luck to you.

Oh and don't dare say you weren't warned!

the **** you talkin' about


in my personal experiences, i know more people that have had success with their products than bad. never knew anybody personally that ran their turbos though. but a friend of mine with an mk4 supra has been pushing 700hp using an xsturbo manifold he's been on that same manifold for 4-5 years now. no cracks, nothing. same goes for a lot of the KA-T guys too.

i'm not saying for everybody to go out and buy this stuff. i'm just saying i'd love to get more reviews other than the average schmoe saying "they suck" without having seen anything firsthand.

in my opinion, if you were to buy a turbo from them, you should get it thoroughly inspected by a turbo specialist before you install to make sure all tolerances are good.

[mr2magic]

What I'm talking about? Surf the net and read what people have to say about their stuff. How much more first hand opinion do you need? But hey I didn't mean to step on your toes.

Look as far as I'm concerned everyone can buy what they want, but the question was asked and I gave an answer. I don't see why I should have to have used the kit before speaking my mind.

As to your friends experience with the manifold - wonderful! If everything is okay then we're all happy. All I'm trying to point out is that at that price costs have been cut somewhere along the line. If it wasn't so all kits would be in that price range - Q.E.D

Agian I would have to disagree If I buy anything retail I shouldn't have to get it checked before I use it, whether it's a turbo or a toothbrush makes no difference!

Just something to think about before buying the ssautochrome kit in my opinion.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

i might go and look at that kit that mr2gq has ..

but i dont really have $440, so i might just find a slightly used ct26 to bolt up right now ..

[kblake]

Originally Posted by hmong337

YAH RIGHT! finally somebody that has spoken up about this kit!!!

And here comes Hmong337 the fanboy, to cheer them on, as usual.

Originally Posted by hmong337

people rag on this product without having first hand experience with it which really pisses me off. they see one or two pictures on the internet with that same old glued turbo and assume that everything is bad from them.

How is that any worse than you DEFENDING this product without any first hand experience? If you're such a fan, put one on your car and test it. I'll eagerly await your results. I've held some of this junk in my hands, and have seen it not fit in some cases, and outright fail in others, when it did fit.

Originally Posted by hmong337

http://www.mr2.com/forums/turbo-3s-g...ry-solved.html

There's no "mystery" to solve. There is only one XS Power, created as a front, to distance SS Autochrome from their (rightfully earned) poor reputation for making crappy parts, and giving poor customer service. If you are truly gullible enough believe that load of garbage you linked, then I have a bridge in New York, and some swampland in Florida to sell you.

Here are some more valid links, from people that have actually used the products, with varying degrees of success. You'll notice that there aren't any recent posts to the threads. That is most likely due to the fact that the moderators stickied the threads on their respective forums, to save naive noobs from getting suckered into buying this junk. I wish our moderators/admins would follow suit.

Honda-Tech.com: Forced Induction: WARNING: SSAUTOCHROME, XSPOWER, ETC.

Why you dont buy SSAUTOCHROME


Ken

[mr2gq]

Well I got it and havent had a problem with it " YET". People say " oh you get a turbo for that cheap its got to be crap" Well you ever think that when you pay 1000 just for a turbo ur paying for the name??? I mean I can understand if its a brand new turbo style that every little piece has to be re-tooled, but come on how long has a t3/t4 been around? Its nothing new and everyone and they momma makes one. Its not like steel is gold and cost alot. Steels like what 7 cent a pound lol?

[kblake]

Well, good luck to you. It seems that luck is the primary thing you need when dealing with these vendors. Some people have good luck, and their parts fit, and work fine. Some don't. I prefer not to roll the dice when it comes to my car.

Ken

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by kblake

And here comes Hmong337 the fanboy, to cheer them on, as usual.

wtf you talkin' about?! i'm in no way cheering on this product. i like to research to see if they've worked for people and the results they've afterwards. anything wrong with that?

...sucks when a $400 turbo kit can take on a $5000 setup. it's happened to me.

Originally Posted by kblake

How is that any worse than you DEFENDING this product without any first hand experience? If you're such a fan, put one on your car and test it. I'll eagerly await your results. I've held some of this junk in my hands, and have seen it not fit in some cases, and outright fail in others, when it did fit.

I'm not defending it. I'm researching it

I don't have biased views. A lot of this it pure hearsay, imo. I like to see what others have done with this product. In the cases that I've came across in person, they were great for the people that used it. Like I said, I haven't seen anybody run their turbos first-hand, but their other stuff that people I know are using is still holding up to abuse and yielding good results till this day... which makes me wonder about these products sometimes

they sell shiit loads of stuff. they make their profits through selling volume. i'm sure the percentage of bad product they put out is a mere %2 of their total. you gotta remember though, they're selling thousands of downpipes a month. there's gotta be some misses when it comes to their QA which is absolutely normal across every type of company and industry. that said, the amount of reported bad products vs what they sell just may be that "2%". I dunno though, just speculating...

Originally Posted by kblake

There's no "mystery" to solve. There is only one XS Power, created as a front, to distance SS Autochrome from their (rightfully earned) poor reputation for making crappy parts, and giving poor customer service. If you are truly gullible enough believe that load of garbage you linked, then I have a bridge in New York, and some swampland in Florida to sell you.

Here are some more valid links, from people that have actually used the products, with varying degrees of success. You'll notice that there aren't any recent posts to the threads. That is most likely due to the fact that the moderators stickied the threads on their respective forums, to save naive noobs from getting suckered into buying this junk. I wish our moderators/admins would follow suit.

Honda-Tech.com: Forced Induction: WARNING: SSAUTOCHROME, XSPOWER, ETC.

Why you dont buy SSAUTOCHROME


Ken

That was a dickhead statement

I really don't know what to believe. Some have good success with their products (personal friends)... others not so much (from the internet stuff i dig up). they old saying goes... "you know of something good, you tell one friend... you know of something bad, you tell everybody". 100 bad downpipes out of 10000 sold in a year, that's bound to have some internet reporting on. what about the rest of the 9900? this is what I'm basing my judgement on.

This is the reason why I like see how people are fairing with these products... are they really THAT bad? from internet cases vs the volume they sell and with personal experiences, I actually think they might have something good to be honest...

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by mr2gq

Well I got it and havent had a problem with it " YET". People say " oh you get a turbo for that cheap its got to be crap" Well you ever think that when you pay 1000 just for a turbo ur paying for the name??? I mean I can understand if its a brand new turbo style that every little piece has to be re-tooled, but come on how long has a t3/t4 been around? Its nothing new and everyone and they momma makes one. Its not like steel is gold and cost alot. Steels like what 7 cent a pound lol?

good point...

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by kblake

Well, good luck to you. It seems that luck is the primary thing you need when dealing with these vendors. Some people have good luck, and their parts fit, and work fine. Some don't. I prefer not to roll the dice when it comes to my car.

Ken

well then don't enter these ssac/xspower threads

kthxbye

[Adrians89MR2SC]

yea, im "RESEARCHING" also if you wanna call it that ..

im going to take a look at mr2gq's kit tonight (i live about 30mins away for him lucky for me) and if everything looks good and it feels nice(boost wise), then im gonna grab one for my self ..

i see both sides of the story right now, so untill i find out for sure im not taking a side yet .. trying to keep a open mind, even if its made in china .. just look how much stuff in walmart is made in china that we use daily .. lol

[HarrisRacing]

Just curious of the pictures installed.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

ill take a camera later to mr2gq's house .. im curious to see it, and see how good it works ..

[mr2gq]

ill get some up tomorrow maybe

[eckoman_pdx]

Ok, I came to the MR2 from the Honda side. I know several people with other non-honda cars a s well. Everyone I've met or talked to who has used SS Autochrome has wished they hadn't. The turbo manifolds crack, etc. It's just not worth it. I've never seen an SS Autochrome Kit work or last for long...maybe there are a few out there, as someone posted in this forum and said he liked it. But there are always expections. These are exceptions. SS Autochrome sucks, and they DO NOT stand behind there product when something goes wrong. You may end up paying twice, once for the SS now, and once for a re-built stock CT later...

I mean, it's your car, so feel free to take my advice or leave it, but in the end you're trading one problem for another if you go with SS. I'd stay away, stay far away. There's a reason if $440 for pretty much any kit they sell. At $440, you're near the price of a CT26 re-build...that's the route I'd go. I know people like cheap power, but SS just isn't worth it. It's not just for the MR2...I've seen their crap fail on many other cars. Their bad reputation is well earned, across almost every car brand out there...

[shimric]

Wow another SSAC debate thread. What is this, like the 500th one now? Dog just won't die.

SSAC IMO is either hit or miss.

You'll have vendors that sell turbo kits talk mad shit3 about SSAC. Then you'll have people who bought el chepo kit praise it. Back and forth they go. When it stops, noone knows.

[Bak@EMSPowered]

even if the stuff does "fit" and bolt up okay there's plenty of other reasons NOT to buy that crap. You guys go ahead and do your "reasearch", we'll be here when you end up breaking something even more expensive on your car caused by the cheap crap you put on there to offer our help and advice on how to fix it.

[shimric]

I had an SSAC header & downpipe. It didn't mount up perfectly. It actually leaked.. It was a pos but I didn't have the $$$ to buy quality stuff. But I didn't buy it so it didn't matter.

That being said. You couldn't give me the money to buy an SSAC turbo kit to put on my car. It's just these no patience teenagers/young adults that go for SSAC because it's priced more affordable and they don't have to save for months to get what they want. Smart business decision on their part. Stupid decision on consumers part.

[hmong337]

but what if it's good? ...then we get the last



see that's the thing, there's a lot of goods and bads. however, $400 isn't too bad of a gamble too. i'm always on the fence when it comes to this ssac stuff.