3SGTE: ssautochrome t3/t4 any good?

[Adrians89MR2SC]

yep .. others ssac stuff is crap, but nobody knows if THIS kit is crap ..

I got 6080 miles on my kit, 154K on my motor, and the last couple thousand miles I have been hard on it .. seems to be holding up nicely

just got problems with the motor, some days it seems to be brand new and others it acts like a chevy motor with 150K miles (loose as hell)

If I wasnt putting all my money into my camaro right now, I'd be pulling my motor and rebuilding it (or building my other 3sgte)

right now im not wanting to mod mine / turn the boost up much more since I need the mr2 untill I have my camaro done (then the mr2 will go in the garage for a rebuild)

maybe farvaric might beat me to the dyno charts

[farvaric]

Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

no ..

came with a t3 manifold, t3/t4 turbo, downpipe, external wastegate, bov, and turbo accessories kit (some of the necessary pieces for the oil supply / drain)

some have got the turbo accessories kit, and others haven't .. I happened to get one with my kit, mr2gq didnt, and another guy on here didnt get it with his

might of just been me that got it since there was some confusion over my paypal payment (my paypall is weird, and puts my address in place of where I put what kit I wanted, so they refunded it once ... then I ordered it again and they didnt realize it untill a couple days later that they didnt ship it thinking that they refunded it again .. idk)

i didnt get my acces kit, however one quick email and they responded right away and sent me the full kit right away.

adrian, you said your WG is holding now, what did you do? you have your fire ring installed correct?

[Adrians89MR2SC]

well thats good that they sent you that acces. kit .. there customer support isnt half bad (unless you bitch about something that broke)

umm .. have no clue, used to make a weird loud noise .. and recently it started making a noise like mr2gq's kit did (a bunch of pissed off bees)

that metal ring? .. yea, all that is installed correctly

also last time I had the turbo out (wastegate broke off) I took the wastegate apart b/c it wouldnt fit back in when I tried to put the whole assembly down in the engine bay .. so I tried just taking the top half off (didnt have the big allen key for the big bolts)

long story short, didnt work .. just had to get the right allen key .. and it was a pain to put back together

other than that, have no clue .. haha ..

havent had a problem with the wastegate (besides sometimes it will spike a little at high rpm's) .. probably is a little small like you said, maybe it wont spike when we turn the boost up (wont have to relieve as much air through the wastegate)

only problem I have had is the BOV .. causes the idle to go up / down, and its a little rough sometimes (decel, and acceleration)

[metheores]

I though people got this kit not because they have the balls to try it. Just because they can't afford something better at the moment...

[Sang]

Originally Posted by farvaric

however it is nice testing/using things that others havent regardless (underdog).

There's a difference between testing new paths for the advancement of the community, and testing new paths just because.

Thus far, the only thing this thread has done is for people to use these ebay kits as a cheap alternative for people that can't afford anything else, or have the knowledge to know any better. Slapping on a 57 to 60 trim turbo on a stock engine isn't advancing anything, especially when you're too scared to go past 6psi. It's a step in the wrong direction when a rebuilt/used 20B, ct27, 2860, or even an upgraded ct26 being used as it should be would make more power under the curve.

it is sad when someone grows the balls they get no support from our communitty as i guess we have a big fun band wagon that goes around.

I support innovation, hands down. But there has been none of that in this thread, nor has "reliability" been established in this thread. Even the basis of this thread, "Buy this kit for $400-500, over rebuilding a ct26 for the same price" isn't even clear. When one of your kits actually lasts longer than the typical rebuilt ct26 (my last rebuilt had 68K miles on it btw before I switched to a td06), then i'll concede.

I'll also concede to any performance gain from this when actual, empirical testing has been done.

Until then...

-Sang

[Adrians89MR2SC]

only got 61850 miles to go till your satisfied

untill then, keep clicking the "refresh" button to see if I got there yet

[metheores]

I, on the other hand keep pressing F5 to see dyno graphs and numbers.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

hahahah

[MisterSquared]

Hey, a broken watch is right twice a day. It doesn't mean Id want a broken watch. Given SSACrap's past performance in respect to reliability, fitment, and product quality there is NO reason for any right minded individual to go with this kit VS much better and proven alternatives. Could the SSAC kit come out to be a winner? Given enough production runs, a few have got to be okay but I'm not willing to take that chance and nor should you.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

Originally Posted by MisterSquared

Hey, a broken watch is right twice a day. It doesn't mean Id want a broken watch. Given SSACrap's past performance in respect to reliability, fitment, and product quality there is NO reason for any right minded individual to go with this kit VS much better and proven alternatives. Could the SSAC kit come out to be a winner? Given enough production runs, a few have got to be okay but I'm not willing to take that chance and nor should you.

how many more pages of posts like this are we going get?

first, NOBODY has bought THIS kit and tested it .. so there are no "past" performance, reliablility, fitment tests, etc besides me, farvaric, and mr2gq

maybe all the honda kids have had ssacrap, but a honda is a piece of crap to begin with .. they have to swap motors to get more power, WE DON'T

anyways, as for the VS much better and proven alternatives .. show me a "better and proven alternative" for $400 .. there are none, except used ct turbos .. which arent "proven" and could go out any minute b/c the seller may say it has 40K miles and it could have 140K

three kits are being used right now (me, farvaric, mr2gq) .. so far NONE of the kits have failed .. only problem is my wastegate flange weld failed, but fixed it the next day

if you want to go spend $2000 on a turbo kit, go for it .. nobody is stopping you .. if I had that much spare change lying around I'd buy that kit too ..

nobody is arguing it is better than those kits, were just saying its a "alternative" to a used ct26 turbo .. and may potentially be a power upgrade (but has not been proven yet)

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for anyone that saw this post first, dont bother reading 90% of the other pages b/c its people like this saying the SAME things over and over

[MisterSquared]

I didn't say I was talking about the reliability of this specific kit, now did I? I was talking about the company in general, of which I have first hand experience.

[farvaric]

Originally Posted by Sang

There's a difference between testing new paths for the advancement of the community, and testing new paths just because.

Slapping on a 57 to 60 trim turbo on a stock engine isn't advancing anything, especially when you're too scared to go past 6psi.
-Sang

hey sang, respect your opinion and advice, however i am not sure how many times i have already written that this kit does see 12psi, granted that is where it spikes but i drive the crap out of the car. i honestly believe this thread has gotten so off topic of just being another band wagon affair once again and justification for the specific dollar amounts spent regardless if more or less.

a degree of feedback has been given however when a statement or reference is provided in regards to questions such as "how much boost has been pushed?" and other questions in relation, it seems as if it gets disregarded no matter the level of factual data. a 38mm wg is not sufficient enough for this turbo however beyond 4800 rpm it will spike its way to 12psi of which time most is spent at 10psi or so on its way to 7300rpm. again, not a reliable means however none the less, the kit is being ran to redline at that level and that is with a boost gauge.

the feedback that is able to be provided at this point IS merely subjective and i understand we are all looking for numbers as it is fact, however feedback is feedback. If that feedback is bias towards a direction that is in opposition of ones outlook, it does not justify discounting it as being out of place or out of context.

again, i am an individual who knows/feels/driven a car with a ct26 with all bolt ons and some more that folks dont have and can say that this kit rips on it. doesnt take much to tell the difference from a car you have driven for years with a set mod list from a point of rolling out of the shop. (blown out example: a guy with a c6 vette knows his car is fast, adds a supercharger and says he thinks its faster. there is no data to support it, however it doesnt discount the fact that a new addition that is superior to a prior component *ie: airbox* can indeed make some more power).

we need to supply dynos, i will try to get those out next season as i want to know as well and want to provide others with an info of what may be an alternate means if it suits them, snow fall has come so we will have to wait. In the meantime i just ask that we give adrian and others a certain level of props and support for not giving up on a communitty of what can come off at times as "nay sayers". you are asking for the factual data to say it doesnt work and we are working to give you the data that may say it indeed doesnt but is looking like may shows some promising numbers :-)

till then....

kyle

[farvaric]

Originally Posted by Sang

When one of your kits actually lasts longer than the typical rebuilt ct26 (my last rebuilt had 68K miles on it btw before I switched to a td06), then i'll concede.

I'll also concede to any performance gain from this when actual, empirical testing has been done.

Until then...

-Sang

this is where i am trying to point out we are all getting off topic, hell maybe i am not even on topic anymore....30+ pages whew! no one is "trying" to prove anyone wrong, it got moved in that direction.

do the other after market turbos from reputable companies outlast a rebuilt ct26? do people still use them if they dont? why?

the answers to these questions would be very similar if not the same as what you will see on here as rebuttals or even arguing points. it is all subjective in which case we honestly get know where. my point is to support. easier to attract bees with honey as opposed to vinegar. lets not scare away the individual who is pushing to get those numbers for our communitty. this is not targetted at anyone individual, just speaking out to our communitty as a whole.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

I will get the numbers hopefully before the end of the year ..

I have to get my camaro dyno tuned after I paint it so it will pass emmisions .. so i'll throw the mr2 on the dyno for a few pulls to see what it pushes whilst I'm at the dyno

my camaro is my #1 job right now .. so once that is done, then I will start going over the mr2 (suspension bushings, struts, engine, tranny, paint, etc)

farvaric, what bov are you using?

I'm using the one that came with the kit and its got a un-steady idle b/c the bov opens and closes like its building boost at idle or something .. might try adding another washer or two to see if that fixes it

I'll try to get a boost controller and better BOV by the time I get dyno #'s so I can get some graphs for 6psi as well as 12psi

I agree with farvaric on the boost spike, when you do get on it and take it to redline .. it does tend to spike to 10-12 psi

took it to redline today in 1st gear when this SLOW a$$ person got out of my way around a right corner .. was friggen awsome, the guy behind me was sitting still

unlike the stock turbo, this one will spool 12psi in 1st gear

[metheores]

Originally Posted by farvaric

again, i am an individual who knows/feels/driven a car with a ct26 with all bolt ons and some more that folks dont have and can say that this kit rips on it. doesnt take much to tell the difference from a car you have driven for years with a set mod list from a point of rolling out of the shop. (blown out example: a guy with a c6 vette knows his car is fast, adds a supercharger and says he thinks its faster. there is no data to support it, however it doesnt discount the fact that a new addition that is superior to a prior component *ie: airbox* can indeed make some more power).

You can get a better cold air intake to a civic, it sounds different but it barely if anything increases horsepower. A guy with a c6 vette knows his car is fast, when he adds a supercharger it's not close to STOCK and therefore he'll know he's obviously generating more horsepower.
When the car already has a turbo that pulls relatively good and buys a kit pushing around the same settings as stock. Then yes, i think it'll be good to get some #s considering the fact the settings might be similar.

Let's say for example you got a measurement of two figures, you know one is a millimeter bigger than another but you can't really tell from afar until you measure them. Now you got one figure that is 2 inches bigger than the other, you'll be able to tell right away- Just like a vette with a supercharger vs N/A. Unlike a turbo kit pushing settings relatively similar to stock.

I don't know if this analogy makes sense to you guys, but it does to me

[Adrians89MR2SC]

HOLY **** ..

sorry, but read the good posts before saying stuff like "untill you measure them"

I DID measure the two different turbo's .. the ssac turbo is a good bit bigger than the stock turbo .. IIRC around 1/2" larger in diameter

let me find the page real quick ..

I feel like this argument just goes in circles

put a cam, heads, headers, intake manifold, pistons, racing head gaskets, etc in my camaro and it feels about the same as stock .. b/c it isnt tuned .. so adding a supercharger to a vette wont do **** if it isnt tuned for it

[Adrians89MR2SC]

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its 1/2" bigger in diameter than the stock turbo on both the inducer and exducer of the compressor wheel

[metheores]

a civic with an untuned turbo pushing 8psi obviously feels faster than an N/A without the turbo. There are somethings that are obviously easier to pick up on than others. Just like when you ride a v6 and a v10.

I was replying to farvaric.

Adrian, you've done your part and you said you will get numbers, i read post #714 and we will be waiting for them.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

oh ok then ..

im waiting for the #'s too, curious to see what this thing pushes with a stock "tune" running 6psi (see if it makes power similar to a ct26 at 12psi) and what it makes at 12psi

anyways back to arguing everyone till then ..

[Sang]

Originally Posted by farvaric

this is where i am trying to point out we are all getting off topic, hell maybe i am not even on topic anymore....30+ pages whew! no one is "trying" to prove anyone wrong, it got moved in that direction.

Oh? And all this time I thought this thread was about:

Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

if you really read most of the thread than you would see that my stock turbo blew and I was looking for a cheap replacement .. the $400 ssac kit seemed to me as a better option than a used ct26 with 80,000 miles for $200

For something to be a "better option" in this instance, to me, it has to:

1. Perform at least as well
2. Cost about the same
3. Last just as long

Comparing a $400-550 SSAC kit to a $400-550 rebuilt/upgraded ct26/used ct20b/et cetera.

All I'm saying is...the only thing you've proven in the 30 some odd pages thus far is point number two, they cost roughly about the same. A butt dyno isn't empirical evidence to show performance. My ct26 at 16psi felt damn strong and torque came quite quickly. It actually "felt" faster than my td06 because of the steep ramp up in the powerband while the td06 is a bit more linear and "feels" slower, while actually being much quicker with more area under the curve. And certainly point number three isn't proven, with only 6xxx miles on the kit at low boost.

Originally Posted by farvaric

do the other after market turbos from reputable companies outlast a rebuilt ct26? do people still use them if they dont? why?

Hell yes. Again, taking the td06 for example, because that's what I have. It's the oldest turbo kit that was made commercially available to this platform and has been through the test of time for many years and in many countries. As far as longevity of the turbo specifically...it's an MHI unit off an OEM mitsu. Just go check out their forums to see how long they've been running those things. As far as beating on it, the jury is still out on the longevity of the GT kits, but many of them are also out there living life at 25-30psi.

Originally Posted by farvaric

the answers to these questions would be very similar if not the same as what you will see on here as rebuttals or even arguing points. it is all subjective in which case we honestly get know where.

No, it is not all subjective. It only seems that way because you guys don't have enough data points yet. Which is my point all along, it's annoying to see a 30+ page thread, when thus far, it really hasn't proven anything other than that the turbo hasn't disintegrated yet.

Originally Posted by farvaric

lets not scare away the individual who is pushing to get those numbers for our communitty. this is not targetted at anyone individual, just speaking out to our communitty as a whole.

I assure you, if someone really wanted to test this kit out, they will regardless of what others say.

-Sang