3SGTE: ssautochrome t3/t4 any good?

[metheores]

Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

as for jim .. HELL YES .. now alot of people will have to find another reason to say the kit is crap

umm .. umm .. "well the wastegate fell off" .. if I pay $2000 for a turbo, the wastegate wont fall off .. OOOHHHHHH

What other reason than hundreds of frustrated customers and hundreds of horror stories around the net about some whack-ass brand with knock-off products? Seriously

I don't know if you are implying this $600 knock-off can outperform or is better than a $2000 turbo kit. I rather spend money on something I KNOW will work. Comparing companies I can't find a reputable company that has such low feedback as SSAC. Honestly you don't see HKS, Greddy, Garett getting such a bad feedback. Maybe that's why they got such good reputation

We were not talking crap because we didn't like the name of the place. The facts are all over the web. People getting knocked off with crappy manifolds, waste gates and glued turbos.

"'well the wastegate fell off'... if I pay $2000 for a turbo, the wastegate wont fall off, It'll work like it should...OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH"

Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

sure .. I'll dyno the car once you pass 1st grade english

Why are you talking smack when your punctuation is no better, Ellipsis have three dots.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

Originally Posted by Sang

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57...e-stoLarge.jpg

Care to post the uncorrected graph?

isnt the bottom graph at 16psi uncorrected

[Adrians89MR2SC]

haha ... (theres your three dots )

I see ya'll are still going for the "well ssac has bad feedback" excuse

I'm not saying that a $400 ssac turbo kit is better than a $2000 t3/t4 kit .. but I'm saying ive had my "crap" ssac kit for 8000 miles and its still working

and if those dyno #'s are similar to what I will be pushing .. then its all gains for me .. I dont care if you want to spend the extra money

all this THREAD is for ... is to see if the ssac kit FOR THE MR2's (not ****** honda's) is any good or not

and so far IT IS

[metheores]

How's that an excuse? its a fact.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

well its fact that my crappy manifold, downpipe, wastegate, glued turbo, and bov are all still working after 8000 miles ..

and so are the two other ssac mr2 kits that have reported on here ..

FACT -

not one MR2 SSAC T3/T4 kit has failed yet out of the 4 people on here that are using them

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show me a MR2 SSAC kit that has failed instead of honda kits .. which deserve crap kits anyways b/c they are crap cars

[MR2enV]

Listen you 180 pound 18 year old homo... All I said was for you to dyno the car so eveyone could stop talking SH*#... Originally, I was on your side because I was interested in this kit- So relax................

[_Jim_]

Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

haha ... (theres your three dots )

I see ya'll are still going for the "well ssac has bad feedback" excuse

I'm not saying that a $400 ssac turbo kit is better than a $2000 t3/t4 kit .. but I'm saying ive had my "crap" ssac kit for 8000 miles and its still working

and if those dyno #'s are similar to what I will be pushing .. then its all gains for me .. I dont care if you want to spend the extra money

all this THREAD is for ... is to see if the ssac kit FOR THE MR2's (not ****** honda's) is any good or not

and so far IT IS

Well your Numbers WILL BE BETTER than what I posted. My GF's setup is on her stock 5SFE. Compared to my Buddys car he makes 230whp on pump gas with his CT27 at 16 psi all on his stock 5SFE. If we compare that to the power a stock GEN2 3sgte makes at 16PSI with the CT27 (seems to be around 270whp on 93 pump gas) that is the difference of 40whp at the same boost levels, only difference being the motor its bolted to. So if we take my GF's whp number of 275 on pump gas (being the same turbo you are running) +40whp considering it is being bolted to a GEN2 3SGTE, it should make around 315whp at 16PSI. Being on the stock 440's you obviously cant be anywhere near that. I would say stay at 10 PSI until you throw a wideband on there or get to a dyno because comparing to my GF's number at 11 PSI 240whp+40whp (GEN2 platform) it would be around 270whp......which is really cutting it close to the limits of your stock injectors.

I am not stating that these are the actual number he will make, its just a heads up for him so he doesn't lean out his motor and blow it up. But I wouldn't be to surprised to see around the numbers I posted when he finally does make it to the dyno. At least +/- 10whp if we wanna take bets LOLOLOL.

[farvaric]

personal goals are what matters here. i personally just want to hit 270-300 wheel and call it a day. so far, i believe with this setup, it can produce those numbers.

ran it at 12psi for one shot and it was sort of nuts in comparison to running 16psi on the ct26 with all my mods. blew off a couple of pipes, noticed that my WG wasnt holding 8psi like it was supposed to even with my mbc out, so i got to look into replacing it, get a larger one, or just upgrade the fuel. I am going to do the latter and possibly get a tial part.

off topic, what fuel mods are needed to sustain 300whp reliably. i have gone to the dyno registry, however there are other variances that folks dont list.

not looking to run MI just yet. so, fuel pump? ats fpr? ats rail? ats rom tune?

from what i have seen the 440's arent the limit it is the pump, tune, and rail. please correct me on this if it is completely off :-)

i probably beat on my kit more than anyone else has and still havent managed to break it. main thing is oil delivery has to be setup correctly as far as sizing or YOU WILL blow the seals, tis is typical on other t series though in the t3/-t4 range from what i have seen.

[kblake]

Originally Posted by farvaric

off topic, what fuel mods are needed to sustain 300whp reliably. i have gone to the dyno registry, however there are other variances that folks dont list.

not looking to run MI just yet. so, fuel pump? ats fpr? ats rail? ats rom tune?

from what i have seen the 440's arent the limit it is the pump, tune, and rail. please correct me on this if it is completely off :-)

You will need a Walbro or Supra pump, a bored stock or top feed rail, larger injectors, and a means to tune the larger injectors. ATS doesn't have a ROM tune for your turbo kit, so you would need to get the car to them, or get them to the car and a dyno. Alternatively, you could spring for a standalone, but that would be fairly ridiculous after what you spent on the turbo kit.

[farvaric]

thanks Ken!

so I have seen others say that larger 550cc injectors arent needed, but from what you suggest it should. so i will get all of those, i should probably follow-up with ats directly, however they should have a rom tune of some sort for a t4...hopefully lol!

piggybacks are no no's. maybe standalone is what it will be, didnt think standalone was needed for that power range though.

[kblake]

Originally Posted by farvaric

thanks Ken!

so I have seen others say that larger 550cc injectors arent needed, but from what you suggest it should. so i will get all of those, i should probably follow-up with ats directly, however they should have a rom tune of some sort for a t4...hopefully lol!

piggybacks are no no's. maybe standalone is what it will be, didnt think standalone was needed for that power range though.

You're welcome. You shouldn't run more than 280WHP with the 440s. Coincidentally, that is about where the stock fuel pump maxes out.

You shouldn't run larger than stock injectors with the stock ECU. You shouldn't run larger than 550s with a ROM tune.

ATS is not going to have a 550cc mail order ROM tune for your turbo. They need a minimum of 3 in-house tunes for a given turbo kit. Depending on the results of those 3 tunes, they decide whether additional tunes are required to sell reliable 550cc ROM tunes for that kit.

Another factor that will cause issues with mail order tuning for this kit is that from what I've seen in the past, which turbo you end up with is pretty hit or miss. Could you imagine getting a ROM tune for a 50 trim, and SSAC decides to send you a 57 trim this time, labeled as a 50 trim? The results could be catastrophic.

Furthermore, 550s aren't really big enough to take advantage of a full T4. (especially when you only have 4 injectors) My T4 is maxing out SIX 550CC/min injectors at 465RWHP. That's at a mere 17PSI. The turbo has produced over 700RWHP on a car with enough fuel to support it.

I'd say a custom tuned EMS is the way to go.


Ken

[farvaric]

Thanks Ken, I guess it is a matter of finding an appropriate tuner around the area for an appropriate standalone. I believe we have some Nemesis tuners around the area, I will have to research more once we get there.

I refer to this turbo as a t4 based on a previous comment in the middle of the life of this thread that you made, however it states t3/t4, only way to be sure is to call up a manufacturer.

[Sang]

Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

isnt the bottom graph at 16psi uncorrected

It is. I was actually referring to the one before and Manny's 5S celica.

Jim/Shannon's looks to spool fairly quick, however.

[kblake]

Originally Posted by farvaric

Thanks Ken, I guess it is a matter of finding an appropriate tuner around the area for an appropriate standalone. I believe we have some Nemesis tuners around the area, I will have to research more once we get there.

I refer to this turbo as a t4 based on a previous comment in the middle of the life of this thread that you made, however it states t3/t4, only way to be sure is to call up a manufacturer.

Yeah, just see which box your tuner prefers. I prefer the AEM, but that is mainly because my tuner is John Reed, and HE prefers the AEM.

The turbo that Andrew McGibbon built his kit around was a full T4, with a T3 flange. Adrian claims to have the same turbo Andrew used, so that is where I got that information. As far as SSAC shipping random trim turbos, that has been my observation, from reading threads like this one, on multiple forums.

[_Jim_]

Originally Posted by Sang

Jim/Shannon's looks to spool fairly quick, however.

It does. As stated before, it only spools 600rpms later than Manny's CT27

[kblake]

Originally Posted by _Jim_

It does. As stated before, it only spools 600rpms later than Manny's CT27

That's about the spool difference between a 2.0L 3SGTE, and a built stroker motor, all other things being equal. People who stroke the 3SGTE are spending a lot more than the difference between a CT27 and an SSAC kit to get that same 600RPM spool improvement.

I guess it depends on your priorities. A 600RPM difference in spool is huge to someone like me.

[_Jim_]

Originally Posted by kblake

That's about the spool difference between a 2.0L 3SGTE, and a built stroker motor, all other things being equal. People who stroke the 3SGTE are spending a lot more than the difference between a CT27 and an SSAC kit to get that same 600RPM spool improvement.

I guess it depends on your priorities. A 600RPM difference in spool is huge to someone like me.

WHAT!?!?! I must be missing something. All I was doing is agreeing with Adrian that the spool isnt "terrible" compared to stock. Not nearly as bad as others were saying it was going to be. It is right in line with other turbos being offered. LOLOLOL for the "hard core" racer who cant live with that 600rpms spool loss will have to build there stroker motor regardless of weather they get the SSAC kit or the SB50 trim. I dont know what you were trying to get at here, but like I said maybe I missed something.

Im not saying that 600rpms doesn't mean a lot to YOU. But what I am saying is that it is a little irrelevant to this thread.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

HOLY CRAP ... positive info ..

we need a dang party .. haha


as for the 130 lb homo part, sorry but I cant listen to you .. only read .. so yea

I was actually thinking about my car today whilst driving it .. YES, a standalone would be rediculous in price compared to the kit price

but that along with intercooler, fuel upgrades, and maybe cams would be the next step and theres not really getting around the cost of it

that is unless I take the injectors off of my camaro, pull the supra pump out of my other mr2, and make some cams from old v8 cams .. hmmmm

at first I bought the kit as a "replacement", but as I get more miles on it and have some spare money in the bank .. then I will explore the limits of the kit, and eventually blow it up when I find the limit

have no clue what boost I'm running, but I think the tune is holding me back now b/c one minute it will accelerate normally and "stutter" with the power as the boost is building ... and others it feels like a bat out of hell and hold on for your life ... haha

I was driving and it boosted OK just getting on the gas and not changing gear (was in 5th around 55mpg) .. seemed to get the stutter of power sometimes .. but pulled into a gas station, filled up, and when I pulled out it just sat me in the seat and hauled ass ..

so dont know what is causing it .. maybe the tune / ecu or maybe a heatsoaked intercooler

anyone know how fast would the stock intercooler heat soak in cold weather?

also, I got on it just a little after some guy going 30 in a 55 (for 6 dang miles AAAHHH) ..

did ya'll know the stock boost gauge will wrap around some .. hahaha .. probably hit 13 or so psi for a second, didnt feel it though (thats why I think I need a tune, no "power" under boost sometimes)

[farvaric]

yeah, the stock gauge will pin itself to the top with anything over stock setting. I strongly rec that you dont run that boost controller unless you are sure that it holds accurate boost all the way to redline in a third gear pull. it will only build more once it is dumped into 4th.

I am only saying this as that is my experience (i could just have a crapped out wg) and i dont want you to pop anything :-)

It sure as hell does pull though doesnt it lol!

as for ems you can run a megasquirt for around 650-700 iirc. we were running those on our boosted 2nd gen probes gt's with a lot of success. I believe someone has run that on the duece.

The greddy ultimate looks pretty nice, however it is still a piggyback, a crazy one at that :-) 799.99

you should post vids of what that f-body sounds like, love camaros.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

the boost controller was good at 8-10psi .. held it to redline allright

but after I turned it up a little, it spools a hell of alot faster than before .. and goes past the limit of my boost guage .. so I'm shifting at 10psi right now

which is anywhere from 3000 rpm to 4000 rpm depending on how I get on it ..

after turning the boost up past 10, it makes me want to build my mr2 once my camaro becomes my daily driver and stop turning my wallet into a desert

as for my camaro .. got a video on youtube .. type in like 91 camaro z28 black paint .. or look for username "mullinsadrian" and its in there along with my mr2 videos

it stopped running on all cylinders a couple days ago, but that motor is built and isnt tuned yet .. so might just be the really cold weather making it run extremely rich at idle and gumming up the plugs (has happened before on me)

so I'll have to mess around with the computer one morning to get the cold idle close for winter ( I got all the tuning stuff, just dont have a wideband or a dyno) .. took a little bit of tuning just to get the dang thing drivable, but its got a good bit of hp / tq for a lil' 305

anyways, back to our turbo's 4cyl engines .. haha