3SGTE: ssautochrome t3/t4 any good?

[presure2]

Originally Posted by mr2magic

On the subject of spouting off - the last I saw this was an MR2 forum so GTFO!

Sorry, but you're just asking for that!

As I said before this thread has mutated - kill it before it hurts somebody!

All we need now is for that 3s idiot to jump on the bandwagon

go **** yourself.

i came to this POS thread cause i was ASKED to.
this board blows IMO.
i wouldnt be here unless i was ASKED, moron.

[mr2magic]

Well I didn't ask for your holinesses presence so **** off already!

As to being a moron - at least I know when to write in upper case and how to spell pressure properly.

[presure2]

last i checked, you havent contributed anything usefull to this thread, where as i on the other hand, have direct experience with the turbo in question, with dyno charts, videos, ect...so why dont you just move along, you are pretty much usless to this conversation.

[mr2magic]

Congratulations! You just managed to post without stepping on anyones toes.
Maybe now you'll think about the way you post. Coming onto this board and posting things like this:

and bak, id worry about keeping your customers happy more than trying to debunk people here. you cant even keep that **** straight.

or this

so yea, learn to get the whole picture before you start spouting off.
you know i like ya ken, i never would have been able to build my 5sfte without your help, but coming in and just spouting off, without doing your due dilligence is just bad.

is doing nothing to make people listen to what you have to say. In fact it's going to cause quite the contrary.

Oh and by the way: I have nothing against you! I'm even glad that somebody has finally managed to produce at least some semblance of numbers for this kit. What gets my goat is the way you're going about it.

[presure2]

well, when bak basicly questions the integrity of my work i will retort in a likewise fasion.

i also know ken pretty well, he's a big boy, and can handle himself.
he basicly posted misinformation, like 99% of the threads on this board.

again, your not contributing anything...just go away.

[Sang]

Thank you manny for clearing this up. I actually would love to see more info. Do you have the runfiles with datalogs of the boost reading? Where does it actually hit 15psi? Redline? Mid-range? Where does it start to creep?

edit: my bad, I didn't see that yuo reposted the graph.

Edit2: Actually, if you can still send me the runfile, that would be great. I'm straining my eyes too much trying to measure up the lines with the scaling.

[Sang]

Mr2magic, please take a step back and chill for a second. Personally, I don't care what car the engine was in. I care more about factual, wholesome data more-so than anything else which manny is helping to clear up

[mr2magic]

I don't need to chill or take a step back at all! Why don't you tell that to Mr 'I was asked to come onto this pos board' ?? Turning up out of the blue telling me I'm contributing nothing to this thread is a massive case of the pot calling the kettle black!

Factual, wholesome data? WTF? What drugs are you taking? The whole discussion is about whether the data is in fact factual and wholesome.

And once more specially for you presure2: It is not up to you to decide who contributes what. As long as I enjoy posting to this forum and this thread I will even if it pisses you of so badly you blow a coronary.

As to 99% of the threads containing misinformation - I can only hope some of the respected members of this board note that statement and respond. I can only advise you to go back to the board you know and love before something nasty happens.

[Sang]

Originally Posted by mr2magic

Factual, wholesome data? WTF? What drugs are you taking? The whole discussion is about whether the data is in fact factual and wholesome.

Which is the entire reason I asked him to give more info on that graph.

[presure2]

heres a set of runs, with the boost log widened up, so you can see it better.

my car tends to creep a bit in the midrange ~43-4800rpm.

sang, if you want runfiles, jump on AIM for a few, ill send what i have over.

all my early runs dont have a boost log, i didnt have the dyno operator use it till later on as i got smarter..lol

ill say this again, just so im clear.

would i recommend the ebay knock off? HELL NO.
(in fact, im about to build a new setup for the wifeys car based around a garrett t3/4 hybrid (the ko racing "streetbrawler" turbo), for 2 reasons.
#1, to show the diffrence between a knockoff, and the real deal, and #2because the wifey cant have shannons car be faster than hers!)



ahh you guys dont have the "ignore this user" button here, do ya..thats too bad.

[kblake]

Originally Posted by presure2

actually ken, 6strings never ran an ebay turbo.
IIRC it was a '26 that shattered.
so yea, learn to get the whole picture before you start spouting off.
you know i like ya ken, i never would have been able to build my 5sfte without your help, but coming in and just spouting off, without doing your due dilligence is just bad.

Hi Manny,
His post implied that he was running an eBay turbo, if that was not the case, I apologize.

Jim: Your ignorance regarding forced induction engines is showing. There is this little problem we have called reversion that is not encountered on naturally aspirated cars. Reversion is when exhaust gases in the exhaust manifold are drawn back into the combustion chamber when the exhaust valve opening overlaps with the intake valve opening. That is the main reason that turbocharged cars run smaller cams than naturally aspirated ones. I've seen significant engine damage from someone drilling and tapping EGT ports on the exhaust manifold while it was on the car. They thought the same way you do, and got to take off BOTH manifolds AND the head as a result.

There are multiple documented cases of the SSAC/XS Power kits/downpipes/manifolds cracking or not fitting right. There are also multiple cases like yours, with a positive outcome. Your positive experience in no way invalidates the negative experiences of others.

Ken

[presure2]

Originally Posted by kblake

Hi Manny,
His post implied that he was running an eBay turbo, if that was not the case, I apologize.

Jim: Your ignorance regarding forced induction engines is showing. There is this little problem we have called reversion that is not encountered on naturally aspirated cars. Reversion is when exhaust gases in the exhaust manifold are drawn back into the combustion chamber when the exhaust valve opening overlaps with the intake valve opening. That is the main reason that turbocharged cars run smaller cams than naturally aspirated ones. I've seen significant engine damage from someone drilling and tapping EGT ports on the exhaust manifold while it was on the car. They thought the same way you do, and got to take off BOTH manifolds AND the head as a result.

There are multiple documented cases of the SSAC/XS Power kits/downpipes/manifolds cracking or not fitting right. There are also multiple cases like yours, with a positive outcome. Your positive experience in no way invalidates the negative experiences of others.

Ken

good post ken. sorry if i came of as a bit of a ****, i just hate it when people post without having the whole story.

[Sang]

Thanks manny for clearing this up. Looks like I was misinformed from your old threads. I didn't know those graphs were with creep.

Have you ever took it to the dyno at 16-17psi yet? Anything holding you back from that?

[Sang]

Thanks manny for clearing this up. Looks like I was misinformed from your old threads. I didn't know those graphs were with creep.

Have you ever took it to the dyno at 16-17psi yet? Anything holding you back from that?

[presure2]

just the map sensor sang...i thought about trying it with the map clamp on the '27...but ill prolly upgrade the turbo before that

[Bak@EMSPowered]

Originally Posted by presure2

well, when bak basicly questions the integrity of my work i will retort in a likewise fasion.

i also know ken pretty well, he's a big boy, and can handle himself.
he basicly posted misinformation, like 99% of the threads on this board.

again, your not contributing anything...just go away.

Come on dude, no need for those off the wall insulting comments of yours. Seriously, did we somehow end up on the honda forums here?

Especially when its regarding these cheapo chinese parts. I have countless stories from people and OTHER vendors alike that I cannot post without causing major damage to some people's reputations, all in regards to these cheap chinese made parts, from turbos, to intercoolers, to manifolds, to exhausts. Can these cheap turbos make good power? Yes! Can they do it as effeciently as a well designed Garrett, Precision, Borg Warner, Holset, etc turbo? No! Will a turbo that is much much larger than a ct26 make more peak HP, even if it is a cheap chinese made turbo? Yes, simply becuase it's bigger. Will that same car be faster than a properly modified CT27 or CT20b turbo? Nope, probably not as long as both are competent drivers.

I'm not trying to discredit you, or anyone else, just trying to save the newbs and other people that come and see this thread and don't know any better the trouble, headache, and hassle of going the route of this cheap crap and then realizing that they're still slower than their friends stock gen3 and kicking themselves in the ass for it

[presure2]

Will that same car be faster than a properly modified CT27 or CT20b

how do you figure it WONT be?
with 50 extra WHP on tap, i cant see how your thinking computes.

[PETC]

Originally Posted by presure2

go **** yourself.

i came to this POS thread cause i was ASKED to.
this board blows IMO.
i wouldnt be here unless i was ASKED, moron.

You are a tool. You use sub-par parts and think that makes you cool. Your car is half assed. You should go **** yourself.

Oh, and have a nice day.

[_Jim_]

Originally Posted by kblake

There are multiple documented cases of the SSAC/XS Power kits/downpipes/manifolds cracking or not fitting right. There are also multiple cases like yours, with a positive outcome. Your positive experience in no way invalidates the negative experiences of others.

Ken

My Purpose of posting was to show that IN FACT the Ebay T3 DOES and WILL make more power than the CT based turbos.....that was a very poor/misinformed/and VERY untrue statement. I am not going to argue the fact that some of the DP and manifolds crack, they do. This is why Shannon used a the factory 3sgte on her setup. So due to the different manifold we chose and the adapter, we obviously needed a different DP.

As for the Exhaust wheel Ken, IDK. Like I said, I have snapped 2 exhaust wheels on 2 factory turbos on 2 factory turbo engines and have never had a problem.

PETC, apparently you cant read. These numbers were posted on a 5SFE. Which is an inferior motor compared to the 3sgte. Your GEN3 would ALSO see Improvements with the install of an EBAY T3 turbos, this is Obvious. I posted 2 cars with the same exact mods and the Ebay T3 out performed the CT27 by almost 50whp at the same boost levels.

Alright Baktasht.....I have posted hard evidence showing that the EBAY T3 does in fact OUTPERFORM the CT27/CT20B/and the CT26. I even had Manny come in here to second the facts, and he is running the CT27......how much more "EVIDENCE" do you need, please let me know.

[PETC]

Sure it would see improvements, no argument there. But the thing is a piece of **** and I wouldn't ever consider spending a penny on one because I don't buy pieces of ****. The "more expensive = better" argument does not hold true all the time, but as I have stated (Probably in this shitstorm of a thread earlier) you get what you pay for when you're talking about mechanical devices that have to work within RIDICULOUS tolerances spinning at over 100,000 RPMs.

Anyone who buys one must really not care about their motor, because when they go, it's usually not just: "Oh well, my turbo exploded. lol" it's "Oh well, my turbo exploded and grenaded my engine! lol"

So, enjoy your epic engine failure. I'll keep my 275 WHP with a well made turbo, and if I upgrade I'll make sure to buy something that isn't a giant pile of ****ing ****.