3SGTE: ssautochrome t3/t4 any good?

[Bak@EMSPowered]

Originally Posted by presure2

how do you figure it WONT be?
with 50 extra WHP on tap, i cant see how your thinking computes.

Stick both of them on a 1/4 mile track and find out. A 270-320hp quick spooling CT27/ct20b car will always be faster than a slow spooling pos that makes the same amount of power or even slightly more.

[_Jim_]

Uhhh Ok PETC, I thought I made it clear in my last post. I am not trying to convince ANYONE to run one of these turbos. I am just tired of hearing lame excuses and misinformation. The biggest piece of misinformation being that the Ebay T3 will in fact NOT outperform the CTbased turbos.....that was just terrible.

[PETC]

http://www.mr2.com/forums/gen-3-3s-g...ii-w-mods.html

[_Jim_]

Ok Bak, funny you say that. Because I have a video of shannons car running against Manny car when SHannons car was 11psi and Manny was at 16.7. At these boost Levels, both cars made the same WHP and were equal (1/4 mile) to one another. So if this is the last bit of "evidence" you need from me, showing that Shannons car will in fact beat Mannys in a race now at 16.7psi and 50more WHEEL HP....LOLOLOLOLOL you got it.

[Bak@EMSPowered]

Originally Posted by _Jim_

Ok Bak, funny you say that. Because I have a video of shannons car running against Manny car when SHannons car was 11psi and Manny was at 16.7. At these boost Levels, both cars made the same WHP and were equal (1/4 mile) to one another. So if this is the last bit of "evidence" you need from me, showing that Shannons car will in fact beat Mannys in a race now at 16.7psi and 50more WHEEL HP....LOLOLOLOLOL you got it.

A video of two cars, is one thing, 1/4 mile results is something totally different. Sorry guys, if you really don't understand why or how a SMALLER turbo IS faster than a larger laggier turbo at the same HP levels, I really don't think I nor anyone else has the time here to try and explain it.

50whp more? I must have missed something in the thread, how much HP did that 50whp more come out to? You do realize that a ct20b and ct27 are good for upwards of 300whp right?

[kblake]

Originally Posted by baktasht

Stick both of them on a 1/4 mile track and find out. A 270-320hp quick spooling CT27/ct20b car will always be faster than a slow spooling pos that makes the same amount of power or even slightly more.

Hi Baktash,
Actually the 1/4 mile is the ONE place the big, laggy turbo can outperform the smaller turbo.

On the road course, or the street, the smaller turbo will win.

Jim: Try a 3rd gear pull, from a roll, 2000RPM to 6kRPM against Manny's car. You will get your a$$ handed to you.

Ken

[PETC]

ITT: Massive ignorance

[Bak@EMSPowered]

Originally Posted by kblake

Hi Baktash,
Actually the 1/4 mile is the ONE place the big, laggy turbo can outperform the smaller turbo.

On the road course, or the street, the smaller turbo will win.

Jim: Try a 3rd gear pull, from a roll, 2000RPM to 6kRPM against Manny's car. You will get your a$$ handed to you.

Ken

I stand corrected

[_Jim_]

Uhhhh PETC, apparently you haven't been reading. Someone already brought up ATS new "findings" at 25psi (350whp), so that is no different. I own a celica with a GEN3 3sgte in it also, so I am VERY familiar with all the new stuff Hux racing does. These runs were done on race gas, and 23+psi. You CAN NOT run your car on the street without race gas @ those boost levels. Shannons car runs on 93 pump. Stop trying to "prove" to me that the CT based turbos will outperform the EBAY t3, because you ill attempts are second had information. I have posted real life, first had experience dyno plots showing that the Ebay T3 does in fact out perform the CTbased turbos. And the Ebay T3 will continue to outperform the the Ct based turbos the Higher the Boost is pushed.

Just doing the math, this turbo Installed on A GEN3 will make 340-350whp at around 17-18psi. And that is still on 93 Pump gas, no race gas required.

[PETC]

Sorry I haven't read every ****** page of this ****** thread filled with idiots blathering.

If money is no issue to you, and you don't care if your car blows up at any point, go for it, more power to you.

I, on the other hand, have made an investment in my car by purchasing a Gen 3 3SGTE, and while it may not appreciate (lol) it is still an investment that I will protect. Protecting it involves not putting chinese turbochargers on it. Did you know they build their cars with plastic differentials? Gears and all? No doubt, those Chinese make some HIGH QUALITY ****.

[_Jim_]

Originally Posted by baktasht

A video of two cars, is one thing, 1/4 mile results is something totally different. Sorry guys, if you really don't understand why or how a SMALLER turbo IS faster than a larger laggier turbo at the same HP levels, I really don't think I nor anyone else has the time here to try and explain it.

50whp more? I must have missed something in the thread, how much HP did that 50whp more come out to? You do realize that a ct20b and ct27 are good for upwards of 300whp right?

Shannons car actually made a bit more power than Mannys car 11.5 psi, so she slowly caught him. but we are not talking about 11.5 psi VS 16.7.......we are talking 16.7 psi vs 16.7psi. And same goes to you Baktasht....if you dont understand the difference between a 5SFFE AND A 3SGTE, I cant be bothered explain it to you wither LOLOLOLOL. The CT27 and the CT20B ARE NOT 300whp on a 5s.

Of course Ken, different cars are need different setups. I actually waiting for someone to mention road course. that is a totally different argument. Not really valid in here. So the guys who are running 11 second quarter miles and making 400+whp should bother modding there car, because a well setup car making 300who has a chance of beating him on the road course due to faster spool and driver skill. So the 300whp must be faster....no sorry I dont think so. We are talking what most of poeple on this forum do....1/4 mile. Shannons car is a MUCH faster Street/1/4 mile car Mannys car with the CT based turbo.

Bak, I am sorry but you have been proven wrong. The Ebay T3 does in fact Outperform (make more power) then the CT based turbos.

[Bak@EMSPowered]

how much turbo did you guys supposedly make on these turbos?

Here's a dyno of one of our old test cars. 92, 100% stock 3sgte, stock exhaust, stock cats, stock intercooler w/ upgraded pipes, emspowered intake. CT26 at 14psi, on pump gas.




CT20b's can make around 270-280rwhp on pump gas on a 100% stock car, sometimes more depending on the car. That is with lightning fast spool.

[_Jim_]

uhhh PETC, its BS like that, that this thread is 43+pages long.

The Ebay T3 MAKES more power than the CT based turbos...period And does so by a large margin.

[PETC]

If you are looking at peak HP and saying that is evidence for "out-performing" another turbo you obviously lack the understanding required to make a statement such as that.

Just a clue: There's more than one variable.

[_Jim_]

Originally Posted by baktasht

how much turbo did you guys supposedly make on these turbos?

Here's a dyno of one of our old test cars. 92, 100% stock 3sgte, stock exhaust, stock cats, stock intercooler w/ upgraded pipes, emspowered intake. CT26 at 14psi, on pump gas.

http://emspowered.com/images/product...rade_dyno2.jpg


CT20b's can make around 270-280rwhp on pump gas on a 100% stock car, sometimes more depending on the car. That is with lightning fast spool.

Dude do you not read? Manny posted how much power a 5s makes with a CT27.

Here, let me break it down for you.

Mods list:
Intake, 3" turbo back exhaust, Intercooler, etc.

3sgte with CT20B/CT27 makes 275whp (average) at 17-18psi.

NOW 5SFE with CT27
Mods list:
Intake, 3" turbo back exhaust, Intercooler, etc.

5SFE with CT27 turbo kit makes 235whp at 16.7psi (map restriced there)

[_Jim_]

Originally Posted by PETC

If you are looking at peak HP and saying that is evidence for "out-performing" another turbo you obviously lack the understanding required to make a statement such as that.

Just a clue: There's more than one variable.

Agreed that there is more than 1 variable.....I am not basing this on ONLY ONE variable. The dyno plot shows it, and I have perosnal experience driving/racing against Mannys car. AND Manny has personal experience driving my GF's car against his car.

So In all categories. The car with the Ebay T3 is a faster street car and 1/4 mile car.

[PETC]

You still haven't answered MY question.

Why in the **** would you put one on your car????

EDIT (For the lulz): I just texted my friend who works at Up Garage, He's been a shop tech for 5 years, built GT-Rs, 240s, muscle cars, pretty much everything. He's also an EFI101 grad and has been tuning cars for a few years now.

Me: "Chinese turbos. For or against?"
Him: "I'm for it. Nothing like an unbalanced aluminum compressor wheel coming apart at 115,000RPM and being sucked straight into the throttlebody. Masterpower & SSAutoChrome FTW."

[Bak@EMSPowered]

Originally Posted by _Jim_

So In all categories. The car with the Ebay T3 is a faster street car and 1/4 mile car.

Lol, wow, I dont read?

Oh well, I tried. Can't save em if they don't want to be saved. Good luck modding guys. Keep it clean

Later

p.s. Good luck Ken, you are a very patient man

[_Jim_]

You dont seem to get it PETC, the reason why people put on the Cheap turbos are all PERSONAL choices, which have NOTHING to do with how they perform. You question is so useless and time wasting, and I refuse to waste more pages on "personal choice"

[PETC]

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You are an idiot.

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But seriously dude, your failure to answer my question shows your lack of being able to come up with a reason other than: "It was cheap"