3SGTE: ssautochrome t3/t4 any good?

[_Jim_]

Originally Posted by baktasht

Lol, wow, I dont read?

Oh well, I tried. Can't save em if they don't want to be saved. Good luck modding guys. Keep it clean

Later

p.s. Good luck Ken, you are a very patient man

Please explain what you meant there, to me is seems as tho you have nothing left to "argue/prove" that the Ebay T3 does make power, and are trying to run away from your "bet"

You are not "saving" anyone here. You are arguing with someone who Currently has been running a Cheap turbo for 2 years.....so the "saving" you speak of is over.

Now you need to give me a list of what other "evidence" you need so I can take you up on your tremendously foolish bet

So rather than wasting more time with responses, you next post should be a list of what you need for "evidence"

[presure2]

Originally Posted by PETC

You are a tool. You use sub-par parts and think that makes you cool. Your car is half assed. You should go **** yourself.

Oh, and have a nice day.

your so smart, you fail to even realize that i dont have a SSAC turbo,my WIFE has an ATS ct-27, i just installed the motor and turbo kit into shannons car.

BTW, your right, MY car is halfassed, but you wouldnt know about that, its just an auto GT.
my wifes on the other hand, is built quite well, and has performed as such for the past 3.5+ years, and over 45000 miles, with the ct-27 and turbo bits that I installed.
so just /yourself, your not helping here.

[presure2]

ill say this AGAIN, since you guys cant read.
ive said it what? 4 times already?

IM NOT FOR USING THESE TURBOS!

personally, i wouldnt install one on my car if you paid me to.
but, thats not the point of this disscussion, is it?

and this is not a 3s VS 5s debate for me, either. thats just silly.

[kblake]

Originally Posted by PETC

But seriously dude, your failure to answer my question shows your lack of being able to come up with a reason other than: "It was cheap"

That's all it is. Price above everything else. I'm sure if someone offered him a genuine Garrett or MHI turbo kit for the same money, he would put them on the car instead. Just like he would have a 3SGTE in there, if cost was no object.

You cannot reason with someone like this-the only thing that speaks to them is CHEAP. I'm not trying to save anyone who already bought one of these kits, they are already terminally ill. I'm just trying to stop them from infecting another healthy MR2 enthusiast.

The OP can barely afford to properly maintain and put gas in his MR2. He only has a loose grasp of how his car works. He certainly can't afford to put OEM quality performance parts on it.

Ken

[_Jim_]

Originally Posted by kblake

That's all it is. Price above everything else. I'm sure if someone offered him a genuine Garrett or MHI turbo kit for the same money, he would put them on the car instead. Just like he would have a 3SGTE in there, if cost was no object.

You cannot reason with someone like this-the only thing that speaks to them is CHEAP. I'm not trying to save anyone who already bought one of these kits, they are already terminally ill. I'm just trying to stop them from infecting another healthy MR2 enthusiast.

The OP can barely afford to properly maintain and put gas in his MR2. He only has a loose grasp of how his car works. He certainly can't afford to put OEM quality performance parts on it.

Ken

Not true, Do NOT put words in my mouth. You dont know me, so you cant speak for me.

But for sake of future members reading this thread, I refuse to comment about what "perdonal choices" people have for using these turbos.

[PETC]

Originally Posted by presure2

your so smart, you fail to even realize that i dont have a SSAC turbo,my WIFE has an ATS ct-27, i just installed the motor and turbo kit into shannons car.

BTW, your right, MY car is halfassed, but you wouldnt know about that, its just an auto GT.
my wifes on the other hand, is built quite well, and has performed as such for the past 3.5+ years, and over 45000 miles, with the ct-27 and turbo bits that I installed.
so just /yourself, your not helping here.

Honestly man, I know nothing about you and read nothing about your car, I was just being an ******* because you were being an *******. If you don't like this board, get the **** out. If someone asked you to come here, don't come here talking about how much you hate the place, just get the **** out.

You have a mouse, click the back button.

[PETC]

Originally Posted by kblake

That's all it is. Price above everything else. I'm sure if someone offered him a genuine Garrett or MHI turbo kit for the same money, he would put them on the car instead. Just like he would have a 3SGTE in there, if cost was no object.

You cannot reason with someone like this-the only thing that speaks to them is CHEAP. I'm not trying to save anyone who already bought one of these kits, they are already terminally ill. I'm just trying to stop them from infecting another healthy MR2 enthusiast.

The OP can barely afford to properly maintain and put gas in his MR2. He only has a loose grasp of how his car works. He certainly can't afford to put OEM quality performance parts on it.

Ken

You and I don't see eye to eye all the time Ken, but I agree with you 100%.

[kblake]

Originally Posted by PETC

You and I don't see eye to eye all the time Ken, but I agree with you 100%.

Thanks. If everyone agreed with me 100% of the time, I'd be bored.

[kblake]

Originally Posted by _Jim_

Not true, Do NOT put words in my mouth. You dont know me, so you cant speak for me.

I have formed an opinion of you, based on your posts in this thread. While it may not wholly represent your character, it certainly represents a portion of it.

Are you stating that you wouldn't install a brand new name brand turbo kit over the chinese kit, if the price were the same? If that is true, then I am going to change my opinion of you from "cheap" to "stupid".

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by kblake

That's all it is. Price above everything else. I'm sure if someone offered him a genuine Garrett or MHI turbo kit for the same money, he would put them on the car instead. Just like he would have a 3SGTE in there, if cost was no object.

You cannot reason with someone like this-the only thing that speaks to them is CHEAP. I'm not trying to save anyone who already bought one of these kits, they are already terminally ill. I'm just trying to stop them from infecting another healthy MR2 enthusiast.

The OP can barely afford to properly maintain and put gas in his MR2. He only has a loose grasp of how his car works. He certainly can't afford to put OEM quality performance parts on it.

Ken

I agree with you 100% Ken.

[supershannon77]

Originally Posted by kblake

That's all it is. Price above everything else. I'm sure if someone offered him a genuine Garrett or MHI turbo kit for the same money, he would put them on the car instead. Just like he would have a 3SGTE in there, if cost was no object.

You cannot reason with someone like this-the only thing that speaks to them is CHEAP. I'm not trying to save anyone who already bought one of these kits, they are already terminally ill. I'm just trying to stop them from infecting another healthy MR2 enthusiast.

The OP can barely afford to properly maintain and put gas in his MR2. He only has a loose grasp of how his car works. He certainly can't afford to put OEM quality performance parts on it.

Ken

Thank you for being a complete royal ****.

From what I hear you are a vendor here...I hope this is not how you treat your business..if it is i hope you go under so bad. What do you sell anyway b/c I will be sure to bad mouth you everywhere I go.

You have no right saying those things...I choose this turbo... I CHOOSE THE TURBO. THIS IS MY CAR...now u have gone beyond offended Jim b/c he was a "****" now you have offended me and all I did was come here and say you if you don't buy what we are saying then come for a ride.

Jim has his own car...no its not mr2 it is a celica a 6th gen celica with a 3rd gen swap and it is beautiful...Manny did the work as well and he did an amazing job...he is running a ct20b and I think is upgrading the turbo...I don't even think he will be upgrading to a cheap one.

Jim saw this post and thought of my car so he came here to post what experiences we personally had to maybe help someone in the community..I really wish he didn't.

I wish Jim never posted my car here and i never want him to post about it again because

#1 i don't care what the hell you all think of it I am the one that has to rely on it and look at it.

#2 you are the biggest pieces of crap i have ever seen on a forum...I have barely seen one nice thing out of anyone's mouth...everyone is just out to get each other....you all have this mind set like - you HAVE to do it THIS way or you just SUCK...well thanks for the advice but i don't need it.(sorry for the members who have been nice and are nice)

anyway for you all who wanted an answer about why I choose this turbo...I have one... yes it is cheap and yes that is very appealing but I have more of a reason then just that.

I had an old celica and went to a tuner shop by me ATX is the name I went in and I had this dream at 17 to have a turbo car...at 17 how much money can you really have right...so i was asking the guy about the turbo and he told me that he had installed them on several cars..of course he can't warranty them but the most he ever seen happen was the seals go. Now being younger and broke and having a real shop telling me it can work and it has worked made me want to go on with the project. With buying parts and going to talk to Narvin the owner of the shop several times about the set up his mechanic Larry took me into the back....Larry showed me real garret turbos with REAL problems with very low miles..he said the one turbo was a $600 or $700 turbo...so the kid and I personally know the kid spent $600 on a piece of crap...so then i was like wow if that was the case i could have replaced 2 turbos for that price so if it does have some sort of problem I can kinda save money. Anyway a few days later a kid came in with a cheap ebay turbo that blew and they showed me what happened with the seals...and compared it the garret....anyway i went on and the turbo work..I soon realized that the guy was a good sales man who saw a young kid who wanted a turbo so he kinda talked things up kinda tricked me into it bc I ended up spending lots of money but thats a different story...but the thing was the turbo work and has been working so I was like hey for now ill keep it...it has been so long now that i pretty much even forgot that its a "knock off" will i one day upgrade to a real turbo prob...I can see myself doing it for just piece of mind but for now I am good.

oo buy the way the problem with the the real garret was that the compressor wheel was rubbing.

Well I am gone...I'll enjoy my stay at other sites...actually I don't no who the mods are or anything but you can delete my account b/c I don't want to be apart of this place.

My last words to you all is to Kblake....you have miss treated me and I just wrote a million swear words to say to you but since I am a good person and a Lady I decided I would not post them. Just remember you never know who you are offending so be careful. I can afford to put gas in my car among lots of other things...please do not judge me on a turbo b/c i am a good person to which I don't need to get into...the sad part is we are both two ppl with the same interest but you may be smarter when it comes to cars but that in no way makes you better....As it stands now I am walking away feeling good feeling like a good person and I hope you look at this and realize maybe you need to step up some time and be a man and not use hurtful words over the internet to make yourself feel better. I will check this just to wait for someone to respond to me about what parts you sell...that is all I need to no and sorry I spammed up the thread.

Sorry to everyone for letting myself get upset but I don't appreciate the things that were said bc I am not broke nor do I have any type of mental illness and if I did it would be even more messed up bc that is something you cant help....just think sometimes kblake just use your head.

ok super out!

[PETC]

Originally Posted by supershannon77

I choose this turbo... I CHOOSE THE TURBO. THIS IS MY CAR

I believe that's what we call a bad decision.

Try to make better ones in the future.

[_Jim_]

no need for you to be an ******* as well....It has not been a bad decision it has done me no harm so take your stubbornness else where please...we are just stating facts when you keep repeating your opinion over and over...facts will always win buddy. Wait i can get a definition of fact if you like.

Can I have facts on why it is a bad decision...when giving these facts can you include my car and what harm the turbo HAS brought it not what the turbo MIGHT do...thank you.

I don't have it in me to try and get this through your thick heads...I am not here to argue if my set up sucks or it better then another..actually I only have been writing to defend myself....ooo BTW this is SHANNON not Jim since I will no longer have an account I jumped on his sn.

[presure2]

ken, im sorry, but that crap is just out of line.

[kblake]

Originally Posted by supershannon77

Thank you for being a complete royal ****.

From what I hear you are a vendor here...I hope this is not how you treat your business..if it is i hope you go under so bad. What do you sell anyway b/c I will be sure to bad mouth you everywhere I go.

You're wrong (as usual) I'm not a vendor here. I'm also not really worried about losing your business if I WAS a vendor here. I never had your business to begin with, and if you are installing SSAC/XS Power parts on your car, you wouldn't be interested in anything I would be selling. (hint: I only sell OEM quality or better parts, and provide excellent pre and post sale support, unlike the Chinese garbage manufacturers)

Nobody here is saying there is only one way to do this, we're simply saying that for many, many people, the SSAC/XS Power kits have proven to be the wrong way. I posted this earlier, and I will post it again: Your positive experience with this product in no way invalidates the negative experiences of others. You're like the guy who survived his turn with the gun in Russian Roulette saying what a fabulous game it is, while one of the people you were playing with has his brains all over the wall. I think he might disagree with you if he was able to.

Originally Posted by presure2

ken, im sorry, but that crap is just out of line.

Manny, I'm going to disagree with you. I stated my opinion, based on the facts at hand. Tell me which facts I have wrong and I will retract them:

Fact: The only thing the SSAC/XS Power "kits" have over the ATS and KO kits is price.

Conclusion: anyone who buys an SSAC/XS kit is primarily concerned with price, since that is the only advantage.

Fact: The KO and ATS kits are superior in quality, support, warranty, and performance to the Chinese kits. Unfortunately, they cost more.

Conclusion: If the price could somehow be equal between the chinese kits and the name brand kits, there is no longer any reason to buy the inferior chinese kit.

Fact: Anyone who buys an inferior product while paying the same price as they would pay for a better product is either ignorant or stupid.

[farvaric]

Originally Posted by PETC

Me: "Chinese turbos. For or against?"
Him: "I'm for it. Nothing like an unbalanced aluminum compressor wheel coming apart at 115,000RPM and being sucked straight into the throttlebody. Masterpower & SSAutoChrome FTW."

...It hasnt with any of us that have their newer kits...

This thread is all over the place, we are all arguing about why an apple taste better then an orange or vice versa when it should be why an apple taste better than another type of apple.

We cant honestly say that this or that turbo/setup is junk or better because on a road course it is better (obviously a smaller or quicker spooling turbo is better for exit speed). Likewise we cant argue that this turbo or any other turbo sucks because its not as good at the quarter mile. The turbo has to be applied to the appropriate expectations. I didnt buy an MR2 for a grocey getter or to hall around a school of kids.

So is it a better turbo at the quater mile? If so, great if that is what you are looking for.

Tired of the statements, "..it breaks, it cracks, it creates a time warp..." All manufacturer's parts break, period. Usually if the dp snaps its because they didnt brace it with the flange.

And being honest, i like ALL our vendors and I APPRECIATE all the support, however it is sort of wierd to see someone talk garbage about a product becuase it is outsourced just to see that they sell chinese parts to only say that it is because consumers ask for it. IF you are looking out for the "newbs" you shouldnt sell them at all, that is like giving candy to a kid everytime they ask. The only explanation one can see as to why a vendor would argue against this product IMO is simply because they dont sell the product YET. Just my .02.

I say, if you are gonna get it, know the odds of what you MAY get yourself into and know that you have to get yourself out of it. Take the gamble if you want and get lucky like all of us who have THIS turbo and THIS kit. If it explodes, i will laugh and get another motor or just say screw it and for my supra finally :-)

...one other thing, i hardly say that dropping 3k on a gen 3 swap and paying to wire it up, misc. parts and labor if needed is a cheaper alternative then buying a "cheap" kit and fixing what you feel is wrong with it if you are only targetting 300whp. I am just saying this as it has lastedm, although gen 3 are nice and have more potential.

I am ready to get flamed even though i am an individual who enjoys and respects peoples opinions on here most of the time, i just also believe I can state my side as well.

Happy boosting folks...no matter what your brung, run it.

[farvaric]

Originally Posted by PETC

I believe that's what we call a bad decision.

Try to make better ones in the future.

Sorry PETC, I know it seems like I amm only grabbing your quotes, i dont care where it came from, but if it works...how is it a bad decision? "It could..." statements dont count.

[farvaric]

Originally Posted by kblake

Fact: Anyone who buys an inferior product while paying the same price as they would pay for a better product is either ignorant or stupid.

and the other factor...Support, people dont just decide to not buy a product from a provider just because it may be a worse product (it may be a very good product), but maybe because they have some form of resentment or animosity. Not saying that is the case here, just wanted to throw that out there

a few other things, timeframe of need and availibility, if it is your only car and you cant wait for back order of a needed and better replacement turbo, you will resort to the next available. You now have what you needed, you will most likely work with what you got from that point on till it fails regardless of how badly...only way people learn.

[kblake]

Originally Posted by farvaric

and the other factor...Support, people dont just decide to not buy a product from a provider just because it may be a worse product (it may be a very good product), but maybe because they have some form of resentment or animosity. Not saying that is the case here, just wanted to throw that out there

There are always other options. If someone doesn't like KO, there is ATS. If they don't like KO or ATS, there is CRW, Berk, etc. There are enough good options out there for quality kits that animosity need never play a part in substandard parts ending up on the car.

Originally Posted by farvaric

a few other things, timeframe of need and availibility, if it is your only car and you cant wait for back order of a needed and better replacement turbo, you will resort to the next available. You now have what you needed, you will most likely work with what you got from that point on till it fails regardless of how badly...only way people learn.

If timeframe is an issue, you certainly don't want to buy one of the chinese kits, because there is some work involved with getting them onto the car. In this very thread, there were several additions and modifications to the kit, just to get it on the car and functioning. An upgraded stock turbo would bolt right on, with no modification needed, and thus would "save time" over the chinese kits.

[farvaric]

Originally Posted by kblake

If timeframe is an issue, you certainly don't want to buy one of the chinese kits, because there is some work involved with getting them onto the car. In this very thread, there were several additions and modifications to the kit, just to get it on the car and functioning. An upgraded stock turbo would bolt right on, with no modification needed, and thus would "save time" over the chinese kits.

lets not skew it here :-)

It takes 1-2 days to get this on and running. by time i mean if a back order takes weeks when you only have days.

the major mods were with the celica app from jim and shannon. MR2 owners only need to piece together the feed line and clock the turbo.

Just want to clarify that bit of misinformation. Only talk about installation if you (all of us) have actually installed THIS kit. all others have no relevance. Greddy makes crap kits for some apps, but great ones for others, doesnt mean they are a crappy company, lets keep to the kit in question.

To Supershannon/Jim, i dont believe Ken was saying "terminally ill" in regards to mental state, i think he was referring to the cars potential status of running the kit. I may be giving too much credit, however Ken if you did mean it in the worst case, that is an ignorant all time low to categorize folks.

People just do **** to do it, for the folks that did it for this reason, stop trying to defend yourself. You dont need to provide facts of WHY you did it, who gives a **** :-)