3SGTE: ssautochrome t3/t4 any good?

[Bak@EMSPowered]

Put it on a dyno and prove us wrong.

[kblake]

Originally Posted by mr2gq

doesnt make sense, first hand experience??? You said the kit sucks and is laggy. I have the kit on my car right now and am telling you I can look at my boost gauge and see my rpm's and hear the turbo when it kicks in. So I have first hand experience and can tell you its not " laggy ".

What he is telling you is that butt dynos are notoriously inaccurate.

When you put your car on a dyno, you will find that your turbo spool is comparable to a Greddy T88 kit, while your peak HP is comparable to a CT27.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

there talking about my second comment when this started ..

yea, i "thought" like the rest of you that the kit had to be junk .. but after seeing mr2gq's car last night and riding in it ..

its NOT laggy, if anything it spools up faster than stock, the external wastegate is loud as hell .. and it looks like a really nice kit ..

i have ordered one and i ALSO will post up a review of the product, along with mr2gq .. i dont see any reviews of the mr2 kit that ssautochrome sells, so i guess we will be the "testers" ..

[Bak@EMSPowered]

Dyno it when you get it, so that the next people that decide to do "research" can have a reason to say no to that kit.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

WILL DO

[Bak@EMSPowered]

Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

WILL DO

hehe, I gotta say, I admire that you keep your cool and don't blow up about stuff Let us know how it goes

[mr2magic]

he's a real cool customer

I honestly wish you the best of luck with the kit! maybe we can the finally bury the age old ssautchrome yes or no thread after this?

[RickyB]

Originally Posted by kblake

What he is telling you is that butt dynos are notoriously inaccurate.

He's got a bad ass dyno!

[mr2gq]

lol

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by mr2magic

he's a real cool customer

I honestly wish you the best of luck with the kit! maybe we can the finally bury the age old ssautchrome yes or no thread after this?

this is what i'm after too!!! to bury it once and for all. we were all waiting for mekkafire to install his kit but he sold it... then passed away. so the story still was left open... this is exactly what i've been waiting for to conclude the "research" i've been following with these products once and for all...

gotta atleast give this product a fair documented chance to see how it fairs up. i know ats, berk, and the others have fantastic products backed with evidence. let's see how this ssac/xspower does once and for all.

/thread

[91_two]

Originally Posted by mr2gq

doesnt make sense, first hand experience??? You said the kit sucks and is laggy. I have the kit on my car right now and am telling you I can look at my boost gauge and see my rpm's and hear the turbo when it kicks in. So I have first hand experience and can tell you its not " laggy ". Let me guess still doesnt make sense to you huh? And yes when my motors broke in and I get a BC and turn it up to 16 psi or so and if something goes wrong, ill post about it. But as of right now everything is perfect

I can look at my boost gauge and hear my turbo at 1500rpm, does that mean it isnt laggy LOL?

Please go to a dyno. You will learn someday.

[mr2gq]

Thats like someone saying there mustang gt has more power than another mans pinto and the guy owning hte pinto saying " how do you know? we havent put both of them on the dyno" Its pretty freakn blatant unless the guy in the pintos toating a V8. I could understand if someone says " I think I feel a dif". Its kindda like going from NA to supercharged. You KNOW its got more power theres no doubt about it. Uhhhh no it wouldnt be "laggy " if the thing was kicking in at 1500 rps. I would sya that pretty freakn impressive. Or what you trying to say the boost gauge is lying??

[91_two]

Im simply putting how do you know your turbo isnt laggy when you have no dyno backing up what you are stating. The boards have always gone by 200 ft/lb mark. Throw your car on a dyno 4th gear pull and see at what rpm you hit 200ft.lb, that will at least be a good mark to show spool.

I have a boost gauge and can build boost..that isnt showing the spool characteristics just coming out of my mouth.

[mr2gq]

Ummm I think It pretty obvious by looking at the boost gauge and watching it spool. I dont need a dyno to tell me when my car is spooling when the aftermarket boost gauge works just fine. If urs isnt starting to boost till 4k and takes a long time to hit peak boost, then I would say its " laggy " Doesnt take rocket science to look at a boost gauge and loook at ur rpms

[kblake]

Originally Posted by mr2gq

Ummm I think It pretty obvious by looking at the boost gauge and watching it spool. I dont need a dyno to tell me when my car is spooling when the aftermarket boost gauge works just fine. If urs isnt starting to boost till 4k and takes a long time to hit peak boost, then I would say its " laggy "

A 3SGTE can build *some* boost pretty low, even with a big, laggy turbo. You still won't reach 200 ft-lbs. before 4000RPM with that kit. Andrew McGibbon's was around 4500RPM in 4th, IMS.

Ken

[91_two]

Originally Posted by mr2gq

Ummm I think It pretty obvious by looking at the boost gauge and watching it spool. I dont need a dyno to tell me when my car is spooling when the aftermarket boost gauge works just fine. If urs isnt starting to boost till 4k and takes a long time to hit peak boost, then I would say its " laggy "

My boost gauge showes boost at 1500 doesnt mean I am hitting 200ftlbs. So until you take it to a dyno you have no proof of your turbo being non-laggy.

[mr2boost]

Originally Posted by mr2gq

Ummm I think It pretty obvious by looking at the boost gauge and watching it spool. I dont need a dyno to tell me when my car is spooling when the aftermarket boost gauge works just fine. If urs isnt starting to boost till 4k and takes a long time to hit peak boost, then I would say its " laggy " Doesnt take rocket science to look at a boost gauge and loook at ur rpms

See, this is what folks are talking about. My friends fully built 3sgte with TD06 would be considered laggy looking at the dyno, 4th gear pull to ( ericdyno.bmp ). But, it drives very much like stock in the lower RPMs. But after 4000RPMs, hold on to your hat, it will snap your neck off. But his MR2 ( Eric ) with the TD06 & 272 lift cams will make boost at 1500+ RPMs too. But at 1500 RPMs it is NOT making full boost, just a few psi. But, it is enough to be close to if not better than a stock 3sgte.

Heck mt stock 3sgte with ct26 will make some boost at 1500RPMs & if I rev the engine I can hear the turbo spooling as well. But, it is not getting a load put on it so it is just the shaft/wheel of the turbo turning around.

At 1500RPMs no matter what gear you are in, will not produce enough "load" to make full boost. You might be making a few psi, but any turbo should be doing that.

For this reason, this is why folks want to see your MR2 on a dyno, it gives a baseline to follow.

I too would like to see what the SS kit looks like on a dyno. Not that I ever plan on getting a kit like this from eBay. But, would like to see the results. Hopefully you will have good results, & keep those good results 1,2,3+ years down the road.

Daniel

[Adrians89MR2SC]

dang, yall have been busy whilst i was at school .. lol

i try to keep my cool, no sense having an argument that no one can actually prove .. so once me and mr2gq have used the kit for a while and dyno'd it .. then we can all say "yes there cheap junk" or "no there actually a decent beginner kit" ..

im definitly not going to say the kit is better than a $2200 kit, b/c thats common sense .. but ill see how good it is when i get it .

paypal messed up last night, so i had to re-order it today .. .. so ittl be another day untill i get it ..

im about to pull my old ct26 tonight, so ill see why that started screwing up ..

[shimric]

Are they going to next day it to you or something?

[ixtlann]

Originally Posted by kblake

Close! I looked it up: (insatiable curiosity)

"Common sense is not so common."-Voltaire

Here are a couple of others I came across that are just as good:

“Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.”-Samuel Taylor Coleridge

“Success is more a function of consistent common sense than it is of genius.”-An Wang

“Science is organized common sense where many a beautiful theory was killed by an ugly fact.”-Thomas Henry Huxley

Thats good stuff