3SGTE: ssautochrome t3/t4 any good?

[mr2gq]

Yeah I understand what ur talking aabout now. I consider lag taking forever for the boost to come on.It took me about 3 days to get my kit. And when its broke in I will take it to the dyno. Well and when I get a BC. One thing though. When I did the timing belt the marks on the back of the cams you line up to put it in time, the exhaust cam after rotating it was off just a smidg. Like the little dimple on the cam was half way past the little dimple on the cam tower you line up. I dont think its enough to effect the performance. I cant tell anything now but then again im not beating on it yet neither. Any of you think it would?

[Adrians89MR2SC]

it might make a slight difference with your cam timing being off a notch .. i'd fix it just to be safe ..

as for the turbo kit, i re-ordered it today ..

my mom's paypal (for some weird reason) the comment box doesnt work when you send money .. so when they got it last night, they just got $440 and didnt know what it was for ..

they immediatly refunded the money along with a letter saying that they didnt get any info on what product i wanted ..

so today i re sent the money and it should work this time, if not ill fax the request in with a credit card #
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hey, mr2gq .. when that dynomax tour comes threw to summit we can both dyno our kits and post up the results ..

i got my stock turbo off today and found out that its not too badly damaged, but it needs a rebuild / new shaft / maybe a compressor housing .. and the wastegate is screwed up a little ..

so im going to have the stock header, turbo (when i rebuild it), and 3" downpipe as backup incase the SS kit gives out ..

again, once we both get some miles on our kits then maybe we can post up a sticky whether the kit is any good, and what #'s it puts down on the dyno ..

[mr2gq]

Yeah thats straight. Helll if you want I got a header and DP for the factory trubo. And if what you say is wrong with it ur better off buying a good aftermarket turbo cause its going to cost about the same to rebuild that one. They wanted 675$ to rebuild mine after my car spun a bearing and trashed the turbo

[kblake]

Originally Posted by mr2gq

Yeah thats straight. Helll if you want I got a header and DP for the factory trubo.

The stock manifold has been proven to 615RWHP...any money spent on a tubular manifold (aka header) for the stock turbo is money down the drain.

Ken

[mr2gq]

im sure that header flows better than a factory manifold not to mention you drop 25 pounds from switching it out! I dont think im going to be pushing 650hp anytime soon

[mr2magic]

I'm sure you'd be surprised how well the factory manifold flows. And yeah it's heavy, but there is a reason for that - it's cast which is always a bit heavier and it's bomb proof well almost!

[kblake]

Originally Posted by mr2gq

im sure that header flows better than a factory manifold not to mention you drop 25 pounds from switching it out! I dont think im going to be pushing 650hp anytime soon

How exactly are you sure? You've had them flow tested? You've maxed out both manifolds on the same turbo and car, and the SSAutocrap one made more power, with no other variables?

The process I am describing is called scientific testing, and we as a community decided a long time ago that we were not going to take people's unsupported word when it comes to product performance.

So far, all I've seen you offer in support of the SSAC stuff is your unsupported opinion. Get some test results, then we'll talk.

Ken

[mr2gq]

ditto

[pothiawala786]

Originally Posted by Adrians89MR2SC

so im going to have the stock header, turbo (when i rebuild it), and 3" downpipe as backup incase the SS kit gives out ..

Why would you need a backup? The SSAC turbo should last just as long as the $2200 kits, $500 rebuilt CT26, or the CT27, right?

Originally Posted by mr2gq

And if what you say is wrong with it ur better off buying a good aftermarket turbo cause its going to cost about the same to rebuild that one.

I believe he already ordered the SSAC kit for $440, so that base is covered. Thats practically the same cost to rebuild the stock one.

[mr2gq]

Hmmm did you not read what he said??? He said he wants it incase the SS kit gives out. No one here has said " ths kit is hte best and is going to last forever! " Just cause someone trys it doesnt mean they think its the best. And no it cost me 475 to get mine rebuilt and that was just a basic rebuild. He said he needs a new shaft housing probaby new wheels ect ect. After my car spun a rod bearing and trashed my new rebuilt turbo it need a new shaft bearing and wheels. It was going to cost 675 just for that. Which if he needs new housing and other stuff they are going to want to charge more which is way beyon the ss kit. I got the ss kit just to get my car back on the road pretty much. Cause I didnt have 1000 to buy a nice turbo. Not cause I think this is the best kit and is going to alst forever

[pothiawala786]

I dunno. I've seen CT20B's anywhere from $550-700. A freshly rebuilt CT27 is $850, and I've seen used ones go for around $750ish. I rather use a credit card or be in debt $300 for the turbo than $3000 for when a chunk of that compressor wheel goes flying into the intake stream.

Again though, I have no personal experience with SSAC turbo kits. I've seen their cracked manifolds before, so those are definately junk. Now when you're talking IC, DP, exhaust, that's stuff that wont cause damage, since its just metal. But when you're talking a turbo, spinning at 10times the speed of your motor, even if a small casting or weld gets loose on the compressor side, theres a good chance it could damage the motor.

If you wanted to go the cheaper route, there are ways to do that. Getting an adapter plate an a used T3/T4 turbo wouldnt cost you that much more. And if you plan on getting a Gen3 in the future and completely building it up with "brand name parts", why not buy it now and use it rather than spending $450 on a kit thats temporary, that money can be spent towards a kit that you would be buying in the future anyways.

[mr2gq]

To me buying a used turbo for 4-500$ is just as much of "taking a chance" as buying the SS kit. I would be really pissed if I spent that much money on a used turbo and it has the same problem or worse as the turbo im trying to replace. No thanks. My SS kit is doing fine. Just took the intake pipes off and felt the compressor wheel and everything seems to be as it was when I put it on....

[Adrians89MR2SC]

i think we all got our own oppions about what we would do if our turbo goes bad ..

to me a new turbo, even if its "junk" is better than a ct26 with "minimal shaft play" ..

as for the manifold, if the ss manifold is junk .. the sell an adapter for $50 that hooks up to the stock manifold .. so nothing big there ..

and if i dont have the money, im not going to "put it on a credit card" and go into debt like the rest of the DA's in the U.S. ... no wonder theres trillions of $$$ of debt, everyone buys turbos .. haha .

[pothiawala786]

Theres a ton of 0% interest cards for 1-2 years available almost all the time. I know if I got myself into a situation where I needed a turbo for my DD, I would not hesitate to put it on a 0% card, since it would probably be paid off months before its due.

But ay, you're right, everyones got opinions, but we all cant be right.

[nodla]

I am always interested in these threads. I am using a SSAC downpipe and have no complaints. A SSAC turbo is risky in my opinion.
Its like the generic soda... its supposed to be the same... but it just doesn't taste quite right.

I hope it works out great for you. Personally I feel if you could get 1+ year(s) out of this turbo w/ no damage to your car I think that would be a success.

What are you using to manage your engine btw?

[Adrians89MR2SC]

manage my engine?

you mean the ecm ..

my whole car is stock except for a apexi intake, and a 3" downpipe .. but there will be another downpipe with the kit ..

i will use the kit and review it, along with mr2gq .. if you look on youtube theres a few people with ss / xs / ebay turbo kits that have had success ..

there is also a guy that has installed many of ssautochromes kits and goes threw what are the positives and negatives of there different products, in which he lists there t3/t4 turbos are good .. there manifolds may crack, but if you examine the product for flaws in the welding and fix any problems before installation then there shouldnt be any problems .. and the ss / xs 38mm tial style wastegates are good ..

it lists that their fuel pressure regulators are junk, the bov's are junk (mr2gq's doesnt work, but he might have a leak in his IC piping) .. and there were some other things he listed ..

i have seen alot of people who have said there products have gotten alot better from when they had turbo's falling apart since they were glued instead of welded ..

the reason i bought the kit is my lack of funds right now (im not getting a loan), and i'd rather have something that is new than a used that might go next week .. also i have not found anyone that has used the kit online and done a review on the MR2 KIT .. so i decided to give it a try and if it turns out good and it dyno's good, then maybe more of us will buy the kit as a slight upgrade or a turbo replacement ..

if not, then we can steer clear of the kit and not have arguments whether they are any good or not b/c we will have actually proof ..

[shimric]

Now, if/when your kit craps out on you. Make sure you come and tells us.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

Originally Posted by shimric

Now, if/when your kit craps out on you. Make sure you come and tells us.

will do, itll be one of the following -

1) (thats me beating yall with my 3" ct26 downpipe, hahah)

or

2)

hahah ..

(why does the full size chevy forum have zillions of smiley things, and we only got a few?)

[shimric]

I like your attitude towards the whole situation. I've seen some SSAC buyers get down right pissed and have paragraphs full of *** ***** ********** and death threats.

[Adrians89MR2SC]

lol ...

i cant argue over stuff that no one knows about .. (the ss mr2 kit, besides mr2gq)

or at least thats the way i think of it ..

kinda like someone who will argue ford is better than chevy .. and they drive a toyota .. its somewhat pointless ..