3S-GTE JDM 3rd Gen Turbo Engine 94+ gen 3 into a 91

burningtreez · 02-23-2009, 02:11 PM

I was wondering if I had a turbo 91 to start out with, would I still have to change any wiring if i want to put a gen 3 motor into the car? Whats all needed to do the swap? thanks.

TreyMR2 · 02-23-2009, 06:09 PM

Yes you will have to do wiring. I actually have a mix of a gen3, USDM gen2, and an n/a for my harness.

burningtreez · 02-24-2009, 01:21 AM

Hmm...so either way I'd have to rewire the harness so it doesnt matter if the car is a turbo or not. I'm in the process of looking for a 2 with a sunroof. Sould be soon. If I do that will be my next step is the 94+ motor. You think its worth the money or would the gen 2 be better?

MR2-MRnot · 02-24-2009, 01:48 AM

ive never ridin in a gen 3, but my thought is that the gen 3 has only 20 more horsepower, although parts are more expensive and hard to find for a gen 3, the gen 2 is the same as a usdm other than a few small differences, im not sure tho, someone will correct me if im wrong

TreyMR2 · 02-24-2009, 11:18 AM

That 20hp goes a LONG LONG way. IMO its more that worth it to go gen3. I'm extremely bias though. Lol It's really not the 20hp that got me to buy one. Its the new/better electronics, no AFM, better turbo, looks cleaner(IMO), and was just a better starting plateform for me. I wasn't planning on any heavy modding at all for a long time so I wanted whatever was better in close to stock form.

PearlJammzz · 02-24-2009, 12:18 PM

If you're doing it, go gen3. Gen2 doesn't get worth it till you go stand alone on a good tune.

burningtreez · 02-24-2009, 09:20 PM

Thanks...im on the same boat. I probably wouldnt do any mods at all for a long time after the swap either, economys fudged up.

HarrisRacing · 02-25-2009, 10:57 AM

My Gen 3 motor makes more / better power than my Gen 2 ever even thought about making. It's 20 HP, a ton of response, and a better operating control system (which means better running engine). I run PFC and stock turbo - I will get dyno numbers soon enough.

Patrick

mr.ac · 02-28-2009, 06:12 AM

yes gen 3 all the way...if you can afford it. basic mod'ed gen2 is equal to a stock gen3. just ask my bro with a basic mod'ed gen 2.

Tycoon788 · 02-28-2009, 01:34 PM

i have a gen 2 with a few bolt ons and i think its as quick as a gen 3 if not jus a lil faster.. but i would still get a genIII swap if i had the money. i think the newer motors are a lot easier to mod, and i could get the axles n tranny with it n finally have LSD!!!

T67mr2 · 03-14-2009, 07:18 PM

i got a 91 N/A with a Gen3 3S...was worth evry penny, what made it that much more sweeter was there was not a single wire that had to be wired...i got the Apexi Power PC full ECU....plug and play..would recommend it 2 any 1, the only flaw to the power fc is that is doesnt back off timing when knock is herd...the gen3 has far more stock upgrades then the gen2, but yes parts are hard to find...

squirrelyT · 06-10-2009, 11:13 PM

i agree with all the above as well. if your going for BIG numbers gen2 is the better bet only cause its cheaper out the gate BUT if your looking for 250-300whp gen3 all day WAY worth it! dp, exhaust, boost controller set at 20(or so) and fcd.... ummm sounds good to me

. and oh yeah get a hux waste gate or make your own. better response at higher boost.(20+)

mech291 · 06-12-2009, 11:26 AM

i think all gen3 owners can form NA... lets be honest if your already sitting on a gen2 why not spend the extra $$$$ on aem stand alone- big turbo--- both.. maybe fuel too. all for the price.

02-23-2009, 02:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
burningtreez No Skills Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	94+ gen 3 into a 91 I was wondering if I had a turbo 91 to start out with, would I still have to change any wiring if i want to put a gen 3 motor into the car? Whats all needed to do the swap? thanks. Last edited by burningtreez; 02-23-2009 at 02:26 PM..

02-25-2009, 10:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
HarrisRacing Cage Fighter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lafayette, La Posts: 214 Thanks: 13 Thanked 16 Times in 7 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Agreed My Gen 3 motor makes more / better power than my Gen 2 ever even thought about making. It's 20 HP, a ton of response, and a better operating control system (which means better running engine). I run PFC and stock turbo - I will get dyno numbers soon enough. Patrick

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02-23-2009, 06:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
TreyMR2 Gen3 swap DONE!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,472 Thanks: 30 Thanked 60 Times in 58 Posts iTrader Rating: (10/100% )	Yes you will have to do wiring. I actually have a mix of a gen3, USDM gen2, and an n/a for my harness.

02-24-2009, 01:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
burningtreez No Skills Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Hmm...so either way I'd have to rewire the harness so it doesnt matter if the car is a turbo or not. I'm in the process of looking for a 2 with a sunroof. Sould be soon. If I do that will be my next step is the 94+ motor. You think its worth the money or would the gen 2 be better?

02-24-2009, 01:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
MR2-MRnot Cage Fighter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Akron, OH-IO Posts: 668 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	ive never ridin in a gen 3, but my thought is that the gen 3 has only 20 more horsepower, although parts are more expensive and hard to find for a gen 3, the gen 2 is the same as a usdm other than a few small differences, im not sure tho, someone will correct me if im wrong

02-24-2009, 11:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
TreyMR2 Gen3 swap DONE!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,472 Thanks: 30 Thanked 60 Times in 58 Posts iTrader Rating: (10/100% )	That 20hp goes a LONG LONG way. IMO its more that worth it to go gen3. I'm extremely bias though. Lol It's really not the 20hp that got me to buy one. Its the new/better electronics, no AFM, better turbo, looks cleaner(IMO), and was just a better starting plateform for me. I wasn't planning on any heavy modding at all for a long time so I wanted whatever was better in close to stock form.

02-24-2009, 12:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
PearlJammzz Cage Fighter Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,115 Thanks: 9 Thanked 74 Times in 69 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	If you're doing it, go gen3. Gen2 doesn't get worth it till you go stand alone on a good tune.

02-24-2009, 09:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
burningtreez No Skills Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Thanks...im on the same boat. I probably wouldnt do any mods at all for a long time after the swap either, economys fudged up.

02-28-2009, 06:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
mr.ac Just Say NO to Snorkes Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central Coast, CA Posts: 388 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 18 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	yes gen 3 all the way...if you can afford it. basic mod'ed gen2 is equal to a stock gen3. just ask my bro with a basic mod'ed gen 2.

02-28-2009, 01:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tycoon788 Banned Seller Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canton Michigan Posts: 567 Thanks: 74 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	i have a gen 2 with a few bolt ons and i think its as quick as a gen 3 if not jus a lil faster.. but i would still get a genIII swap if i had the money. i think the newer motors are a lot easier to mod, and i could get the axles n tranny with it n finally have LSD!!!

03-14-2009, 07:18 PM	#11 (permalink)
T67mr2 No Skills Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	i got a 91 N/A with a Gen3 3S...was worth evry penny, what made it that much more sweeter was there was not a single wire that had to be wired...i got the Apexi Power PC full ECU....plug and play..would recommend it 2 any 1, the only flaw to the power fc is that is doesnt back off timing when knock is herd...the gen3 has far more stock upgrades then the gen2, but yes parts are hard to find...

06-10-2009, 11:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
squirrelyT Some Skills Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 96 Thanks: 14 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	i agree with all the above as well. if your going for BIG numbers gen2 is the better bet only cause its cheaper out the gate BUT if your looking for 250-300whp gen3 all day WAY worth it! dp, exhaust, boost controller set at 20(or so) and fcd.... ummm sounds good to me . and oh yeah get a hux waste gate or make your own. better response at higher boost.(20+)

06-12-2009, 11:26 AM	#13 (permalink)
mech291 No Skills Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	i think all gen3 owners can form NA... lets be honest if your already sitting on a gen2 why not spend the extra $$$$ on aem stand alone- big turbo--- both.. maybe fuel too. all for the price.