3S-GTE JDM 3rd Gen Turbo Engine ultimatum

MRtuned · 03-30-2009, 12:46 PM

So I haven't been on this site in a long time. Reason being, I can't afford much for the MR2 because of college, so I set it aside in favor of living costs. As it stands now I got my tax return and it is enough to get a Power FC (the car STILL does not run on the stock ECU.) If this does not at least help me solve the problem, then I will be parting the car.

My question to you guys is: is there a tuner around MN that deals with Power FC?

Gairloch · 03-30-2009, 03:48 PM

Have you talked to Ron at RSmotors? You might want to talk to him about your project. There's also another tune shop in the west metro that I'm forgetting the name of that I can look up if need be.

MRtuned · 04-02-2009, 12:12 PM

Jeff! Didn't think you took a stroll in the gen III forums often :P
I'll call RSmotors this weekend, they're in Burnsville right? Thank you!

Gairloch · 04-02-2009, 01:23 PM

I don't post often in the gen3 forums .. that doesn't mean that I don't read it

MRtuned · 04-05-2009, 02:16 PM

heh. I heard your swap is going underway :o

TreyMR2 · 04-05-2009, 03:19 PM

WO dang haven't seen you on in a while MRtuned... Lol

Gairloch · 04-05-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MRtuned

heh. I heard your swap is going underway :o

Engine should be showin up next week!

Sang · 04-06-2009, 01:02 AM

I would not recommend going standalone as a "fix" to your problems.

If you've already did an ecu swap and got the same results, your problem lies elsewhere.

Spending $1300+ after tuning for a "potential" fix, doesn't register as a sound move, IMO.

TreyMR2 · 04-06-2009, 01:08 AM

I remember back when I was doing my swap MRtuned tried replacing damn near every variable there was to get his gen3 to run right.

MRtuned · 04-06-2009, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sang

I would not recommend going standalone as a "fix" to your problems.

If you've already did an ecu swap and got the same results, your problem lies elsewhere.

Spending $1300+ after tuning for a "potential" fix, doesn't register as a sound move, IMO.

Sorry I don't spend more than 2 days a year with my car. I guess that makes me a douche for wanting it to run but not having the time or finances to diagnose it properly.

Sang hear me out. You help a lot of people out, and I respect you and don't doubt your knowlege. You should try to be less of an ******* though.

Sang · 04-06-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MRtuned

Sorry I don't spend more than 2 days a year with my car. I guess that makes me a douche for wanting it to run but not having the time or finances to diagnose it properly.

Sang hear me out. You help a lot of people out, and I respect you and don't doubt your knowlege. You should try to be less of an ******* though.

WTF are you talking about?

All I said was dropping $1300 into an EMS isn't a sound solution to get your car running right.

Nothing I said in my post was condescending, but whatever. Do whatever you want to do, man. It's your money.

MRtuned · 04-06-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MRtuned

If this does not at least help me solve the problem...

I never said I expected it to solve all my problems. Didn't meant to jump to conclusions, it just seemed like you were being condescending.

MRtuned · 04-06-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TreyMR2

I remember back when I was doing my swap MRtuned tried replacing damn near every variable there was to get his gen3 to run right.

heh, yea I'm not the best with diagnostics.

mr29180 · 04-06-2009, 12:20 PM

^^^ sorry man but u saidnif that stand alone don't work u will part out the car!! And sang was tryin to help u... Basically his tellin u to do it right!! Dude 1300 man u could go to a good a$$ mech and fix what ever they need to fix!!! Well this is my .2 cents LOL

Ozymandias · 04-06-2009, 12:42 PM

Yeah I gotta agree with them...spending that much money to try to fix a problem, when you don't even know the cause, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It seems like a pretty big gamble, especially if your finances are so tight.

MRtuned · 04-08-2009, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr29180

^^^ sorry man but u saidnif that stand alone don't work u will part out the car!! And sang was tryin to help u... Basically his tellin u to do it right!! Dude 1300 man u could go to a good a$$ mech and fix what ever they need to fix!!! Well this is my .2 cents LOL

I said that if I can't at least have an idea how to go about fixing it, then I would part it. I don't see where you are all getting this idea that I'm expecting it to magically make all the problems go away. The power FC has a realtime readout of all your sensors, whereas you can't even hook up a diagnostic tool to the OEM Gen III ecu. And who would I bring it to? It's in northern Minnesota... no body up there knows a flying **** about it. On top of that you gotta think about transportation costs if I want to bring it somewhere. Don't know where you got $1300 either, it was $850.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Yeah I gotta agree with them...spending that much money to try to fix a problem, when you don't even know the cause, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It seems like a pretty big gamble, especially if your finances are so tight.

I've been trying to diagnose this thing for 3 years. Everyone I've talked to or had help me I've listened to, getting me nowhere. All I want is help. No one could give that to me. There are probably 20 threads burried here in the gen III section from way back when I actually had time to work on the car. Look them up, no one even had an idea.

TreyMR2 · 04-08-2009, 10:58 AM

If you guys want any idea, me and MRtuned did our swaps the same summer. I've already put 20K miles on mine and did a trans swap. After all the stuff thats been replaced and still nothing changed about the way it ran you kinda have to agree with him its at least worth a shot. Plus if it doesn't work he's gonna sell the PFC with everything else and at least get some money back.

MRtuned · 04-08-2009, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TreyMR2

If you guys want any idea, me and MRtuned did our swaps the same summer. I've already put 20K miles on mine and did a trans swap. After all the stuff thats been replaced and still nothing changed about the way it ran you kinda have to agree with him its at least worth a shot. Plus if it doesn't work he's gonna sell the PFC with everything else and at least get some money back.

Thanks Trey. I'm just hoping it helps me figure this thing out.

TreyMR2 · 04-08-2009, 06:10 PM

Yeah I really wanna know what it is too.

puretone · 04-09-2009, 08:55 AM

I had weird BEAMS ECU issues, I thought of swapping in a stand-alone as well as a potential "fix". Your target of 1300$, even if it's off, should be more than enough to have any OEM ECU diagnosed, trouble-shot & working with money left for some other awesome upgrade. 850$ is enough to tow it to a knowledgeable mechanic, have it get close to fixed. It will cost you 0$ to open up the lid to the OEM ECU and look around for obvious signs of dead-ECU, funny burnt smells, water/moisture deposits or witness-marks there of....
Jumping ship & going for the PFC, though it's a pretty damned good ECU, is not the way to go, especially if say there is a wiring issue that is causing the OEM ECU not to work. If this holds to be true and it say for instance burnt & shorted out the OEM ECU, then what sense does it make to go PFC and burn that one too? Brand spanking new 900-ish $ PFC that is killed within minutes. BTW the PFC uses the OEM wiring-harness, which sort of defeats your purposes, if it was something that came with it's own entire wiring-harness it would perhaps make more sense because you would bypass any current screw-ups in the OEM harness.....

For that same amount of money you can have it dropped at a Toyota dealer and have one of their more experienced wiring-nerds look at it before deciding anything....I did just that, and no the BEAMS was not an engine they had ever seen/heard of before....fan control pin was hax0red on it and caused it not to run.

03-30-2009, 12:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
MRtuned n/a auto to gen III Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mankato, Minnesota Posts: 653 Thanks: 26 Thanked 21 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	ultimatum So I haven't been on this site in a long time. Reason being, I can't afford much for the MR2 because of college, so I set it aside in favor of living costs. As it stands now I got my tax return and it is enough to get a Power FC (the car STILL does not run on the stock ECU.) If this does not at least help me solve the problem, then I will be parting the car. My question to you guys is: is there a tuner around MN that deals with Power FC?

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03-30-2009, 03:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
Gairloch Dreaming of apexes Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,313 Thanks: 139 Thanked 296 Times in 264 Posts Blog Entries: 4 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	Have you talked to Ron at RSmotors? You might want to talk to him about your project. There's also another tune shop in the west metro that I'm forgetting the name of that I can look up if need be.

04-02-2009, 12:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
MRtuned n/a auto to gen III Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mankato, Minnesota Posts: 653 Thanks: 26 Thanked 21 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Jeff! Didn't think you took a stroll in the gen III forums often :P I'll call RSmotors this weekend, they're in Burnsville right? Thank you!

04-02-2009, 01:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
Gairloch Dreaming of apexes Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,313 Thanks: 139 Thanked 296 Times in 264 Posts Blog Entries: 4 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	I don't post often in the gen3 forums .. that doesn't mean that I don't read it

04-05-2009, 02:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
MRtuned n/a auto to gen III Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mankato, Minnesota Posts: 653 Thanks: 26 Thanked 21 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	heh. I heard your swap is going underway :o

04-05-2009, 03:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
TreyMR2 Gen3 swap DONE!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,472 Thanks: 30 Thanked 60 Times in 58 Posts iTrader Rating: (10/100% )	WO dang haven't seen you on in a while MRtuned... Lol

04-06-2009, 01:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
Sang Turtle Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: FL Posts: 4,096 Thanks: 18 Thanked 267 Times in 246 Posts iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	I would not recommend going standalone as a "fix" to your problems. If you've already did an ecu swap and got the same results, your problem lies elsewhere. Spending $1300+ after tuning for a "potential" fix, doesn't register as a sound move, IMO.

04-06-2009, 01:08 AM	#9 (permalink)
TreyMR2 Gen3 swap DONE!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,472 Thanks: 30 Thanked 60 Times in 58 Posts iTrader Rating: (10/100% )	I remember back when I was doing my swap MRtuned tried replacing damn near every variable there was to get his gen3 to run right.

04-06-2009, 12:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
mr29180 Cage fighter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Frisco (bay area) Posts: 1,368 Thanks: 7 Thanked 42 Times in 37 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	^^^ sorry man but u saidnif that stand alone don't work u will part out the car!! And sang was tryin to help u... Basically his tellin u to do it right!! Dude 1300 man u could go to a good a$$ mech and fix what ever they need to fix!!! Well this is my .2 cents LOL

04-06-2009, 12:42 PM	#15 (permalink)
Ozymandias Azure Two Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 399 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Yeah I gotta agree with them...spending that much money to try to fix a problem, when you don't even know the cause, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It seems like a pretty big gamble, especially if your finances are so tight.

04-08-2009, 10:58 AM	#17 (permalink)
TreyMR2 Gen3 swap DONE!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,472 Thanks: 30 Thanked 60 Times in 58 Posts iTrader Rating: (10/100% )	If you guys want any idea, me and MRtuned did our swaps the same summer. I've already put 20K miles on mine and did a trans swap. After all the stuff thats been replaced and still nothing changed about the way it ran you kinda have to agree with him its at least worth a shot. Plus if it doesn't work he's gonna sell the PFC with everything else and at least get some money back.

04-08-2009, 06:10 PM	#19 (permalink)
TreyMR2 Gen3 swap DONE!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,472 Thanks: 30 Thanked 60 Times in 58 Posts iTrader Rating: (10/100% )	Yeah I really wanna know what it is too.

04-09-2009, 08:55 AM	#20 (permalink)
puretone Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aruba, #1 BEAMS Engine on the Island Posts: 2,339 Thanks: 28 Thanked 57 Times in 56 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	I had weird BEAMS ECU issues, I thought of swapping in a stand-alone as well as a potential "fix". Your target of 1300$, even if it's off, should be more than enough to have any OEM ECU diagnosed, trouble-shot & working with money left for some other awesome upgrade. 850$ is enough to tow it to a knowledgeable mechanic, have it get close to fixed. It will cost you 0$ to open up the lid to the OEM ECU and look around for obvious signs of dead-ECU, funny burnt smells, water/moisture deposits or witness-marks there of.... Jumping ship & going for the PFC, though it's a pretty damned good ECU, is not the way to go, especially if say there is a wiring issue that is causing the OEM ECU not to work. If this holds to be true and it say for instance burnt & shorted out the OEM ECU, then what sense does it make to go PFC and burn that one too? Brand spanking new 900-ish $ PFC that is killed within minutes. BTW the PFC uses the OEM wiring-harness, which sort of defeats your purposes, if it was something that came with it's own entire wiring-harness it would perhaps make more sense because you would bypass any current screw-ups in the OEM harness..... For that same amount of money you can have it dropped at a Toyota dealer and have one of their more experienced wiring-nerds look at it before deciding anything....I did just that, and no the BEAMS was not an engine they had ever seen/heard of before....fan control pin was hax0red on it and caused it not to run.