3S-GTE JDM 3rd Gen Turbo Engine another "what should i do" thread

tstoney82 · 06-02-2009, 10:52 PM

ok so i have been debating on whether or not to keep the 5sfe or upgrade to the 3sgte or beams. but then again i could turbo the 5sfe. ive always liked the 3sgte and the amazing aftermarket possibilites. but the thought of a beams or tuboing my motor has always crossed my mind. i havent really looked for aftermarket stuff for the beams so im not too sure about the availability of parts and im not too sure about the reliability of a turbo 5sfe. so i guess my question is this: for the money and the availability of aftermarket parts, which swap or setup is the best. im not looking to get tremendous amounts of power, i just want something better than what i have and something to be able to add on to as i go. plus, i want some reliability. i know the turbos have their issues, but all motors do. so give me some suggestions about pricing, power, aftermarket availability, and so on. any info would be greatly appreciated.

SW21T · 06-02-2009, 10:53 PM

have you thought of the 5sgte??

tstoney82 · 06-02-2009, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YELLOW_MR2

have you thought of the 5sgte??

explain and i might think about it........

MRtuned · 06-02-2009, 11:00 PM

3sgte head/turbo setup on 5s block iirc so you get 2.2L turbo

SW21T · 06-02-2009, 11:02 PM

From what I know and been told it's the 5sfe block with the 3sgte or 3sge head...umm here let me find you a link of a thread I made with useful info
http://www.mr2.com/forums/turbo-3s-g...gte-3sgte.html

tstoney82 · 06-02-2009, 11:36 PM

seems like too much for me. sounds like a good setup though. im gonna rule out the 5sgte for now.

SW21T · 06-02-2009, 11:41 PM

thats cool everyone has their choice in build, I hope to build one this summer....you can go 3sgte for about 2k getting a clip and everything, labor could be more I wouldn't know.. or you can go beams and turbo that sucker

tstoney82 · 06-02-2009, 11:48 PM

i will be doing all the labor at work so labor isnt the issue. price really isnt either, but i dont want to spend too much and not gain enough. what is the hp rating for the beams anyway? the redtop has more hp correct?

SW21T · 06-02-2009, 11:52 PM

Not really a beams expert but yes I THINK the redtop has more, From what I've seen they have 210hp and if you get a 3s depending on the gen can have from 225 to 245hp I believe.

tstoney82 · 06-02-2009, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YELLOW_MR2

Not really a beams expert but yes I THINK the redtop has more, From what I've seen they have 210hp and if you get a 3s depending on the gen can have from 225 to 245hp I believe.

ive seen some 3s's getting 200 some 225 some 245. but for the beams to be all motor, no turbo, 210 is pretty damn good. and pretty close to the power of the 3s. what are prices like for the beams? are they hard to find?

MR2-MRnot · 06-02-2009, 11:58 PM

price for a beams isnt horrible, just good luck finding parts anywhere but the dealership, and as for upgrading, after you get it in unless you build the motor, there isnt much left, but when u have boost such as the 3s you can gradually (as you said you wanted) gain more power, whether with bolt ons, or with a fancy manual boost controller, which if you have one, you add 50 HP at the turn of a knob....so its up to u, if you want breathing room and parts availability, gen II 3sgte is the way to go...

SW21T · 06-02-2009, 11:58 PM

The beams i found were pretty damn expensive.. Prices I saw were from 3,500 to 5,000, they are pretty powerful for being N/A..Scared me the hell away, but there might be some places where you can get them for cheap..The only place I can think of is MR2warehouse.com...Yes the 2nd gen is believed to have 225 and the 3rd gen has 245..

tstoney82 · 06-03-2009, 12:02 AM

which gen 3sgte has the lsd? or is the lsd an option for both gen 2 and gen 3?

SW21T · 06-03-2009, 12:03 AM

umm 2nd gen only some came with LSD and 3rd I think they all did.. Not 100% sure though

tstoney82 · 06-03-2009, 12:05 AM

ok i went to naganojapanese.com and they have what looks to be a celica 3sgte (because of the top mount intercooler) that makes 265 for $2k. does this sound right?

MR2-MRnot · 06-03-2009, 12:08 AM

LSD was an option in the US from 93 and up and in japan i think the same, however, the gen III's didnt all have LSD, it was an option but MOST of them have it....265 on a celica, ive read that a couple times, but it depends on which gen it is, i think they are all the same as the mr2 3s, of coure the original alltrac had the gen I but in terms of Gen II i think everything is the same as the mr2 except the TMIC

SW21T · 06-03-2009, 12:08 AM

Yeah it does

killermillermr2 · 06-03-2009, 12:09 AM

I'm not going to comment on on the 3sgte or the 3sge because I have no personal experiances with them. I do, however, have a turbo on my 5s. This is more of an ongoing project thing, rather than a put it in and forget about it till the HP bug bits again thing. If done right the 5sfte is awsome! but if done half azz, BOOM. relyablilty depends on the care taken before hand. I spent over a year researching and finding parts to do mine. If you decide to try this there is a member selling his setup for $900 or so.

tstoney82 · 06-03-2009, 12:12 AM

i saw that post and thats what got me thinking about it more lately.

SW21T · 06-03-2009, 12:14 AM

I too have the 5sfte

06-02-2009, 10:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
tstoney82 one hitter quiter.... Join Date: May 2009 Location: clayton nc Posts: 638 Thanks: 16 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	another "what should i do" thread ok so i have been debating on whether or not to keep the 5sfe or upgrade to the 3sgte or beams. but then again i could turbo the 5sfe. ive always liked the 3sgte and the amazing aftermarket possibilites. but the thought of a beams or tuboing my motor has always crossed my mind. i havent really looked for aftermarket stuff for the beams so im not too sure about the availability of parts and im not too sure about the reliability of a turbo 5sfe. so i guess my question is this: for the money and the availability of aftermarket parts, which swap or setup is the best. im not looking to get tremendous amounts of power, i just want something better than what i have and something to be able to add on to as i go. plus, i want some reliability. i know the turbos have their issues, but all motors do. so give me some suggestions about pricing, power, aftermarket availability, and so on. any info would be greatly appreciated.

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06-02-2009, 10:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
SW21T 400HP 3rd gen?? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Washington St Posts: 1,853 Thanks: 143 Thanked 32 Times in 30 Posts iTrader Rating: (18/100% )	have you thought of the 5sgte??

06-02-2009, 11:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
MRtuned n/a auto to gen III Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mankato, Minnesota Posts: 653 Thanks: 26 Thanked 21 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	3sgte head/turbo setup on 5s block iirc so you get 2.2L turbo

06-02-2009, 11:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
SW21T 400HP 3rd gen?? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Washington St Posts: 1,853 Thanks: 143 Thanked 32 Times in 30 Posts iTrader Rating: (18/100% )	From what I know and been told it's the 5sfe block with the 3sgte or 3sge head...umm here let me find you a link of a thread I made with useful info http://www.mr2.com/forums/turbo-3s-g...gte-3sgte.html

06-02-2009, 11:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
tstoney82 one hitter quiter.... Join Date: May 2009 Location: clayton nc Posts: 638 Thanks: 16 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	seems like too much for me. sounds like a good setup though. im gonna rule out the 5sgte for now.

06-02-2009, 11:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
SW21T 400HP 3rd gen?? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Washington St Posts: 1,853 Thanks: 143 Thanked 32 Times in 30 Posts iTrader Rating: (18/100% )	thats cool everyone has their choice in build, I hope to build one this summer....you can go 3sgte for about 2k getting a clip and everything, labor could be more I wouldn't know.. or you can go beams and turbo that sucker

06-02-2009, 11:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
tstoney82 one hitter quiter.... Join Date: May 2009 Location: clayton nc Posts: 638 Thanks: 16 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	i will be doing all the labor at work so labor isnt the issue. price really isnt either, but i dont want to spend too much and not gain enough. what is the hp rating for the beams anyway? the redtop has more hp correct?

06-02-2009, 11:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
SW21T 400HP 3rd gen?? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Washington St Posts: 1,853 Thanks: 143 Thanked 32 Times in 30 Posts iTrader Rating: (18/100% )	Not really a beams expert but yes I THINK the redtop has more, From what I've seen they have 210hp and if you get a 3s depending on the gen can have from 225 to 245hp I believe.

06-02-2009, 11:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
MR2-MRnot Cage Fighter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Akron, OH-IO Posts: 668 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	price for a beams isnt horrible, just good luck finding parts anywhere but the dealership, and as for upgrading, after you get it in unless you build the motor, there isnt much left, but when u have boost such as the 3s you can gradually (as you said you wanted) gain more power, whether with bolt ons, or with a fancy manual boost controller, which if you have one, you add 50 HP at the turn of a knob....so its up to u, if you want breathing room and parts availability, gen II 3sgte is the way to go...

06-02-2009, 11:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
SW21T 400HP 3rd gen?? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Washington St Posts: 1,853 Thanks: 143 Thanked 32 Times in 30 Posts iTrader Rating: (18/100% )	The beams i found were pretty damn expensive.. Prices I saw were from 3,500 to 5,000, they are pretty powerful for being N/A..Scared me the hell away, but there might be some places where you can get them for cheap..The only place I can think of is MR2warehouse.com...Yes the 2nd gen is believed to have 225 and the 3rd gen has 245..

06-03-2009, 12:02 AM	#13 (permalink)
tstoney82 one hitter quiter.... Join Date: May 2009 Location: clayton nc Posts: 638 Thanks: 16 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	which gen 3sgte has the lsd? or is the lsd an option for both gen 2 and gen 3?

06-03-2009, 12:03 AM	#14 (permalink)
SW21T 400HP 3rd gen?? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Washington St Posts: 1,853 Thanks: 143 Thanked 32 Times in 30 Posts iTrader Rating: (18/100% )	umm 2nd gen only some came with LSD and 3rd I think they all did.. Not 100% sure though

06-03-2009, 12:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
tstoney82 one hitter quiter.... Join Date: May 2009 Location: clayton nc Posts: 638 Thanks: 16 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	ok i went to naganojapanese.com and they have what looks to be a celica 3sgte (because of the top mount intercooler) that makes 265 for $2k. does this sound right?

06-03-2009, 12:08 AM	#16 (permalink)
MR2-MRnot Cage Fighter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Akron, OH-IO Posts: 668 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	LSD was an option in the US from 93 and up and in japan i think the same, however, the gen III's didnt all have LSD, it was an option but MOST of them have it....265 on a celica, ive read that a couple times, but it depends on which gen it is, i think they are all the same as the mr2 3s, of coure the original alltrac had the gen I but in terms of Gen II i think everything is the same as the mr2 except the TMIC

06-03-2009, 12:08 AM	#17 (permalink)
SW21T 400HP 3rd gen?? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Washington St Posts: 1,853 Thanks: 143 Thanked 32 Times in 30 Posts iTrader Rating: (18/100% )	Yeah it does

06-03-2009, 12:09 AM	#18 (permalink)
killermillermr2 Honda Hunter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 864 Thanks: 25 Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts iTrader Rating: (10/100% )	I'm not going to comment on on the 3sgte or the 3sge because I have no personal experiances with them. I do, however, have a turbo on my 5s. This is more of an ongoing project thing, rather than a put it in and forget about it till the HP bug bits again thing. If done right the 5sfte is awsome! but if done half azz, BOOM. relyablilty depends on the care taken before hand. I spent over a year researching and finding parts to do mine. If you decide to try this there is a member selling his setup for $900 or so.

06-03-2009, 12:12 AM	#19 (permalink)
tstoney82 one hitter quiter.... Join Date: May 2009 Location: clayton nc Posts: 638 Thanks: 16 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	i saw that post and thats what got me thinking about it more lately.

06-03-2009, 12:14 AM	#20 (permalink)
SW21T 400HP 3rd gen?? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Washington St Posts: 1,853 Thanks: 143 Thanked 32 Times in 30 Posts iTrader Rating: (18/100% )	I too have the 5sfte