3SGTE: What goes into a snorkel intake?

[Levi_]

Originally Posted by PHOENIX

When did I say that they work for the better? I simply made an example of a well known MR2 tuner who believes its beneficial to have one on his MR2. I've asked you for proof and the only thing you have shown me is you can ask me the same question without answering mine.

Granted, the mk1 stuff is cool, but I have to think the cars are different (by simply looking at them). I understand that they have the same concept but how do I know that the mk1 in that simulation is to scale?

is it?

Aerodynamically, the MK1 and MK2 are pretty much identical, they both are mr (obviously), both don't have the engine bay sealed from the bottom, both have a side vent right next to the intake. (Some MK1s stock have the intake in the trunk, but we are not modeling that)

The MK1 CFD analysis is done to scale and it is the best data we have. Obviously no one is going to spend money to wind tunnel test a $50 fiberglass piece for a tiny market, so using the best actual data we have available is safe to conclude that the snorkel does absolutely nothing besides create drag. It is also is common sense, here is the thinking (which i've already posted)

1.) Air flows from up underneath the car into the engine bay and out the engine lid, thus this the natural flow of air in the engine bay, also to add that heat rises, so heat will be exiting upwards as well.

2.) Air flows in from the side vents, creates lots of turbluence, and eventually flows outwards as it hits the motor or the rear firewall.

3.) The snorkel creates alot of drag because it placed on a very high point on the car, that one that hugs the c-piller is a little better because it isn't actually above the roofline.

4.) The snorkel does bring in more air, but the thing is that the intake has all the cold air it could ever use from the side vent, same thing with the intercooler. You will get much more air from the sidevents than from any snorkel.

I don't see how this is hard to understand or even debatable. BTW, just because one "mr2 tuner" puts it on his car doesn't mean anything. Maybe he just likes the way it looks? Which is 100% fine. If you want to follow the lead of real mr2 tuners why not look at the JGTC?



I mean your accusing me for not having data? I have a CFD analysis, I've laid out my thought process, and shown real life examples of how none of the mr2 race cars use the scoops, if that doesn't illustrate how useless the snorkel is then I give up. Maybe you could explain how it IS beneficial?

Also, what is a windtunnel test going to prove anyway? It will prove that the scoop adds more drag then what?

[PHOENIX]

nothing but opinions.

[traintech86]

i read the title and came to the last page, exactly to this post:

What goes into a snorkel intake?

/end thread

[farvaric]

LOL! I have baktash's carbon fiber scoops now...bought it off the board member that bought it off of him.

My honest opinion is that whether good or bad, the gains or losses are so insignificant either way (says the guy who owns not one but TWO AWESOME CARBON FIBER TOMS SNORKS!!!).

Having these puppies unpainted is why I wanted them...even I thought they were gay till I saw the carbon fiber ones. I put them on and was surprised how mean it makes the car look. I mean c'mon!!!! I have two F'n carbon fiber tumors on my car....its like I own a pissed-off, terminally-ill car.

I have TOMS sides as well and my car is red.

To end it all....

I have seen many ugly "clean" dueces because the paint sucks or the wheels look like disks off of Duck Hunt. I have seen some nasty looking "modded" dueces with mismatched parts.

If you hope it makes power and in the event it doesn't, add more boost or remove a chair to compensate and rock the crap out of it...add more boost AND remove a chair if you want to run two or more.

If you argue they dont...just give a little, hold hands and sing "We are the world".

If you argue that "if it is not functional, then it should not be put on the car", then let's follow page 12-22 of the BGB "remove thine many amenity-based accesories of comfort before removing thy masses snorks"

Let's face it guys, we are all arguing about the wrong thing....we all know that we have a bigger issue...undertray replacements...i have recently moved on with just using zip ties and upgrading to larger and larger washers backed by epoxy to hold those bastards on, and it works :-D

I had plenty of "go slow" beer and it is 4:40am

[Xenon676]

I agree with farvaric, we really need someone to do a aftermarket run on undertrays

[PHOENIX]

EMSPowered did a run of aluminum underbody panels however there were shipping issues because of the size. You might be able to find them in the parts for sale section.

[MR JAS]

Originally Posted by PHOENIX

EMSPowered did a run of aluminum underbody panels however there were shipping issues because of the size. You might be able to find them in the parts for sale section.

werent they stainless?

[PHOENIX]

^ uhhhh, now that I think about it...yeah...I think they were stainless. I stand corrected

[imnike9000]

Im going to say this first, I have never owned an mr2 or done any work on one. I have done a lot of building hondas though and just to get a little more thought going. Do you think the snorkel on an n/a car would benefit from maybe the tuned intake side of things. I know on hondas you can lengthen and shorten the intake tube to achieve different torque curves. Just a question.

[David]

Die thread die!!

[STLMR2na]

^ +1

[scottohno]

well its great your 2 can breathe underwater, but what the hell are you going to do?

hey Farvaric, tell me, do you have a garbage can in your car, or do you litter like everyone else?(at least me). i think of it like this. why kill the world in heaps of garbage, when we can leave it in a small layer and itll be fine. littering spreads it out and makes it less damaging. less attractive, but less damaging.

the reason i ask is i want you to do this for me and tell me what happends. go down the highway about 75 mph, and roll down the window just enough to throw a can out, and do it. something tells me the snorkel has a capacity of 3 cans, and since your engine makes a vacuum to suck it in, itll probably end up in there.

whether it looks cool or not, its not practical. like out of the hood chrome blowers on chevelles and stuff. ever see a bird go in there? makes a big mess.

[328FTW]

Originally Posted by scottohno

whether it looks cool or not, its not practical. like out of the hood chrome blowers on chevelles and stuff. ever see a bird go in there? makes a big mess.

Ever seen a rabbit go through a stock grille on an MR2? Also makes a mess more to do with speed + soft object = mess

[scottohno]

i think it makes your 2 look like it has nostrils if you look at it from the front. i dont want to drive a nose.

[farvaric]

Originally Posted by scottohno

well its great your 2 can breathe underwater, but what the hell are you going to do?

hey Farvaric, tell me, do you have a garbage can in your car, or do you litter like everyone else?(at least me). i think of it like this. why kill the world in heaps of garbage, when we can leave it in a small layer and itll be fine. littering spreads it out and makes it less damaging. less attractive, but less damaging.

the reason i ask is i want you to do this for me and tell me what happends. go down the highway about 75 mph, and roll down the window just enough to throw a can out, and do it. something tells me the snorkel has a capacity of 3 cans, and since your engine makes a vacuum to suck it in, itll probably end up in there.

whether it looks cool or not, its not practical. like out of the hood chrome blowers on chevelles and stuff. ever see a bird go in there? makes a big mess.

hehe, do remember, that it is not functional, so all that will happen is it will get sucked (pushed) in and just fall right back out of my Tom's side vents...when was the last time you have seen those things, yesterday (everyone has 'em), jeezus, i dare say all 3 cans would fall out at the same time

i say the duece looks cleaner and i dare say more mature or sleeper'ish without them, but it looks so pissed off with them on...just mine cause they are unpainted carbon fiber

PS: sorry for the really late post and causing Easter to happen again in June, but i just got back from a 5 month business trip.

[scottohno]

... i got a car with a side scoop... its a MK1.i dont plan on matching up my paint to paint the stock side-pf-engine-bay-lid-bezel-thingy matching that dark pearl blue is money and time i could use on other things.

and NO, it will NOT do anything for an intake torque curve. unless a bird flies into it, it wont make a difference

[tadjo]

lol its not a jeep. My friends always ask me why I dodnt get them, i tell them its because i like chicks

[killerkid08]

when i got my two, i debated it, orange and black with naked or even color matched scoops, or maybe just one on the driver's side.

Hell yeah, that would be sick ! Make my 2 look mean as hell !

But then i thought, lets look this up:

Checked a few hundred flaming posts, from 2 owners flamethrowing each other over a cosmetic modification they dont wanna own because it looks ugly, or its not performance oriented, and after doing that i looked at countless rides that had em. I looked em over from the front, sides, rear, and every angle in between, and kept looking.

And i thought, DAMNN them things is fugly from behind, but they look mean from the front, and they could add performance.

Then i thought some more, ((((Key was to do alot of thinking here)))

1. The air blitzing my intake get super heated by my turbo, so if it was cool, its hot now.
2. That hot air slams into my intercooler, so its chilly again.
3. it goes into the throttle body, and thats all she wrote.

so can cool air, affect my turbine's exit temperature, Shell No !!!
That thing is stupid hot !

Performance gains ruled out.

So it was all cosmetic, and when i starred at those fat things from the back long enough, i decided.

I dont want them. I decided it, because when it all came down to it. I had to drive it home and out to pick up chicks with. Not you or the next guy reading this flipping because i said it doesnt offer a performance boost.

If you got it, you aint rice, what you did aint rice, what your doing aint rice (less its uncle bens), and what you are about to do aint rice either. Its F-in you !

[farvaric]

but you can get them in CARBON FIBER!!!

...i just thought of it...it DOES add functionality in one area, the carbon ones are actually lighter than the stock side covers

the funny thing is, i dont even have mine on since i have back in and out of the enging bay for the last season to find my boost leaks and other tuneup stuff. I dont even have the stockers bolted in.

now that my car is running happy again, I guess it's time to put a new boost gauge and boost controller in to replace my older ones and button her up.

so i happy I can finally up the boost again

[MuMan]

You guys are on crack..look how old this thread is, just read it all too..funny shit..
Anyhow who gives a damn if it works or not..I have one, couldn't give a stuff about it really, I just like the way chics come up and ask what the hell it is..you know how they like things that stick out like that.