3S-GTE JDM 3rd Gen Turbo Engine gen 4 3sgte?

mr2pride · 09-05-2010, 10:44 PM

does anyone have any pictures of it or info i would greatly appreciate it thnxs

Benckj · 09-05-2010, 11:04 PM

What are you looking for? I have a gen 4 NA and a gen 5 GT. Most of the changes are cosmetic compared to the gen 3's if that is of any use.

jimb

mr2pride · 09-05-2010, 11:40 PM

well just pretty much some info on the gen 4 3sgte and some pics. but thnxs

mr220v · 09-06-2010, 12:11 AM

Go to ebay and type in Caldina. You'll get plenty of pictures.

Benckj · 09-06-2010, 12:21 AM

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Go to ebay and type in Caldina. You'll get plenty of pictures.

caldina has a different gen 4 3sgte than MR2's. Here is a pic of my gen 5 engine bay which is the same as gen 4 and gen 3 for that matter. Is that what you want?

Mine is not completely stock as I installed a ST205 A2W IC.

jimb

mr2pride · 09-06-2010, 12:29 AM

oh snaps alright bro thnxs alot for the pick and yes it was excatly wat i wanted haha

Benckj · 09-06-2010, 12:34 AM

This is the stock version before I started replacing parts and painting things up. Better pic quality than the phone camera shot above.

mr220v · 09-06-2010, 12:38 AM

Here's one I wired for a while back:

Looks a good bit different than any previous generation 3sgte.

goopi · 09-06-2010, 02:22 AM

Wow, its really nice to see a close up picture of one of these. I am confused though, the last 2 engines posted above are not identical, which one is which?

Benckj · 09-06-2010, 04:41 PM

Mine is a stock 3sgte for a MR2 the other is from a Caldina 3sgte. See why I mentioned above?

It's not all cosmetic changes either. Pistons, rods, turbo, intake, exhaust, ECU, ect, ect. How do I know this - my friend just installed one in his 90 MR2 and it took alot of research.

jimb

goopi · 09-06-2010, 11:50 PM

Thanks, I understand now. Tough though, its a choice if you rather have a nice clean view of the valve cover (makes engine bay look very neat) or have shorter intake piping?

mr220v · 09-07-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Benckj

Mine is a stock 3sgte for a MR2 the other is from a Caldina 3sgte. See why I mentioned above?

Neither or your pictures are of a gen4 3sgte.

The gen4 is somewhat similar to the gen3. The gen4 has a one-piece turbo/manifold, the different intake, a bit different cams, 9:1 compression (vs 8.5:1), and improved electronics. The block was also redesigned. The gen4 makes more power stock, and lags less.

stewart · 09-07-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mr220v

Neither or your pictures are of a gen4 3sgte.

The gen4 is somewhat similar to the gen3. The gen4 has a one-piece turbo/manifold, the different intake, a bit different cams, 9:1 compression (vs 8.5:1), and improved electronics. The block was also redesigned. The gen4 makes more power stock, and lags less.

Do you have pics. thanks

mr220v · 09-07-2010, 04:32 PM

Once again:

Benckj · 09-07-2010, 04:35 PM

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Neither or your pictures are of a gen4 3sgte.

Sorry but you are wrong. Maybe you have something different with the US version but the top pic is mine which is a gen 5 3sgte JDM and the second one is identical to the gen 3 3sgte Caldina engine we have here. For te MR2's the engine and electronics are virtually unchanged form the gen3's where the Caldian engine had the changes you mention from gen 3.

jimb

mr220v · 09-07-2010, 04:44 PM

We're talking about the Gen4 3sgte, not the Rev4 mr2 with a 3sgte.

The gen4 3sgte only came in st215w Caldinas. Never in the mr2, or anything else for that matter. It had the sidefeed intake and was distributorless with coil on plug. No plug wires.

You've got to be thinking rev4 and not gen4. Both of the motors you have pictured are gen3 3sgte's.

mr220v · 09-07-2010, 05:06 PM

Here's another gen4 3sgte conversion that was recently for sale:

MK 2 MR2 - Turbo : 91 Gen4 3sgte powered MR2

Benckj · 09-07-2010, 05:33 PM

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You've got to be thinking rev4 and not gen4

Yes and this is where the confusion lies.

MR2's came out in rev 3, 4 and 5's but engine was basically a gen3. The Caldina had the same rev but changed the engine from a gen3 to a gen4 and was not offered in the MR2 but people have converted. The terms of reference used are interchangable depending on which country you reside.

Maybe we should ask what pics 'Mr2pride' is after because he asked for a gen4 not a rev4?

jimb

mr220v · 09-07-2010, 05:42 PM

Since he's in the US, he's probably looking for the gen4, and not the rev4. We didn't get the last 2 or 3 revisions in this country, so the various mr2's rarely get referred to by their proper revision.

Benckj · 09-07-2010, 05:59 PM

They didn't come here either but because we import many used Japanese cars they get filtered into the system. I see you have a number of rev4-5's in the US much like the UK boys but yours tend to be converted from clips because the JDM's are RH drive.

Sorry for the OFF topic ramble.

jimb

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Benckj Jim- NZ Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alexandra, NZ Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 3 Thanked 96 Times in 95 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	What are you looking for? I have a gen 4 NA and a gen 5 GT. Most of the changes are cosmetic compared to the gen 3's if that is of any use. jimb

09-05-2010, 11:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
mr2pride Some Skills Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: las vegas Posts: 78 Thanks: 8 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	well just pretty much some info on the gen 4 3sgte and some pics. but thnxs

09-06-2010, 12:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	Go to ebay and type in Caldina. You'll get plenty of pictures.

09-06-2010, 12:29 AM	#6 (permalink)
mr2pride Some Skills Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: las vegas Posts: 78 Thanks: 8 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	oh snaps alright bro thnxs alot for the pick and yes it was excatly wat i wanted haha

09-06-2010, 12:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
Benckj Jim- NZ Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alexandra, NZ Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 3 Thanked 96 Times in 95 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	This is the stock version before I started replacing parts and painting things up. Better pic quality than the phone camera shot above.

09-06-2010, 12:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	Here's one I wired for a while back: Looks a good bit different than any previous generation 3sgte.

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goopi Takumi!! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Surrey, B.C Posts: 1,194 Thanks: 43 Thanked 34 Times in 34 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	Wow, its really nice to see a close up picture of one of these. I am confused though, the last 2 engines posted above are not identical, which one is which?

09-06-2010, 04:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Benckj Jim- NZ Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alexandra, NZ Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 3 Thanked 96 Times in 95 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Mine is a stock 3sgte for a MR2 the other is from a Caldina 3sgte. See why I mentioned above? It's not all cosmetic changes either. Pistons, rods, turbo, intake, exhaust, ECU, ect, ect. How do I know this - my friend just installed one in his 90 MR2 and it took alot of research. jimb

09-06-2010, 11:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
goopi Takumi!! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Surrey, B.C Posts: 1,194 Thanks: 43 Thanked 34 Times in 34 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	Thanks, I understand now. Tough though, its a choice if you rather have a nice clean view of the valve cover (makes engine bay look very neat) or have shorter intake piping?

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mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	Once again:

09-07-2010, 04:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	We're talking about the Gen4 3sgte, not the Rev4 mr2 with a 3sgte. The gen4 3sgte only came in st215w Caldinas. Never in the mr2, or anything else for that matter. It had the sidefeed intake and was distributorless with coil on plug. No plug wires. You've got to be thinking rev4 and not gen4. Both of the motors you have pictured are gen3 3sgte's.

09-07-2010, 05:06 PM	#17 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	Here's another gen4 3sgte conversion that was recently for sale: MK 2 MR2 - Turbo : 91 Gen4 3sgte powered MR2

09-07-2010, 05:42 PM	#19 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	Since he's in the US, he's probably looking for the gen4, and not the rev4. We didn't get the last 2 or 3 revisions in this country, so the various mr2's rarely get referred to by their proper revision.

09-07-2010, 05:59 PM	#20 (permalink)
Benckj Jim- NZ Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alexandra, NZ Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 3 Thanked 96 Times in 95 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	They didn't come here either but because we import many used Japanese cars they get filtered into the system. I see you have a number of rev4-5's in the US much like the UK boys but yours tend to be converted from clips because the JDM's are RH drive. Sorry for the OFF topic ramble. jimb