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d962r · 04-20-2006, 11:27 PM

Hey Zai... you think I can keep up with Chris' car? I have a feeling he would pull me in the 1/4 a 'lil bit.

SE-RMR2 · 04-21-2006, 05:24 AM

keep up with it??? i think your car is faster...

d962r · 04-21-2006, 09:10 AM

no... Chris' will smoke through 3rd gear. I can't do that unless its wet out.

Crispin · 04-21-2006, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d962r

no... Chris' will smoke through 3rd gear. I can't do that unless its wet out.

Well... that's with some crappy compound 225/70/14's on there... I doubt I could do much more then 2nd with decent tires on there... Then again with the 205/60/14's I'll have a small tread width and smaller diameter tire... but a way better compound... hard to say what it'll do with those. Probably catch traction at the top 0f 2nd I am hoping...

I guess if you want to Monday morning quarterback the situation:
Chris's Corolla: 0.0429 HP-Weight / 0.0550 Torque-Weight
Vince's Car: 0.0688 HP-Weight / 0.0604 Torque-Weight
Zai's Car: 0.0728 HP-Weight / 0.0896 Torque-Weight
Honda-Seth's Car: 0.0836 HP-Weight / 0.0731 Torque-Weight

These numbers _are_ inherently flawed but if we were just testing the engines and power (no gear ratio, or traction issues, or unequal drivetrain loss).... you'd get:
Zai first in the qtr. mile
Honda-Seth second in the qtr. mile
Vince third in the qtr. mile
Me fourth in the qtr. mile

In the real world it'd probably be:
Honda-Seth first in the qtr. mile
Zai second in the qtr. mile
Me third in the qtr. mile
Vince fourth in the qtr. mile
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Math Below!!!!
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Chris's Corolla:
2200lbs (Not proven yet?)
135 HP @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 94.5 HP at the wheels
173 FT LBS @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 121.1 T at the wheels
Power to Weight Ratio: 94.5 / 2200 = 0.0429 (or 23.28:1)
Torque to Weight Ratio: 121.1 / 2200 = 0.0550 (or 18.16:1)

Vince's Car:
1100 lbs (??Don't remember.. working on 2 hours of sleep)
105 HP @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 73.5 HP at the wheels
95 Ft LBS @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 66.5 T at the wheels
Power to Weight Ratio: 73.5 / 1100 = 0.0688 (or 14.96:1)
Torque to Weight Ratio: 66.5 / 1100 = 0.0604 (or 16.54:1)

Zai's Car:
2500 lbs (just a guess Zai)
260 HP @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 182HP at the wheels
320 FT LBS @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 224 ft lbs at the wheels
Power to Weight Ratio: 182 / 2500 = 0.0728 (or 13.73:1)
Torque to Weight Ratio: 224 / 2500 = 0.0896 (or 11.16:1)

Honda-Seth's Car:
200HP @ the wheels
175 FT LBS @ the wheels
Year: 1998(??)
Weight: 1085 KG = 2392 lbs
Power to Weight Ratio: 200 / 2392 = 0.0836 (or 11.96:1)
Torque to Weight Ratio: 175 / 2392 = 0.0731 (or 13.66:1)

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Weight found here:
http://www.internetautoguide.com/car...597/index.html
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Chris's Dream Corolla:
2200lbs (Not proven yet?)
200 HP @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 140 HP at the wheels
255 FT LBS @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 178.5 T at the wheels
Power to Weight Ratio: 140 / 2200 = 0.0636 (or 15.71:1)
Torque to Weight Ratio: 178.5 / 2200 = 0.0811 (or 12.32:1)

Vince's Dream car:
1100 lbs (??Don't remember.. working on 2 hours of sleep)
350 HP @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 245 HP at the wheels
275 Ft LBS @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 192.5 T at the wheels
Power to Weight Ratio: 245 / 1100 = 0.2227 (or 4.40:1)
Torque to Weight Ratio: 192.5 / 1100 = 0.1750 (or 5.71:1)
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Crispin · 04-21-2006, 12:20 PM

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cadmando18 · 04-21-2006, 01:13 PM

*tiptoes in*
Hey there. I'm one of Chris's friends.
Just thought I'd throw my car into the mix, since Chris and I have been talking about a match.

1989 Honda CRX. (yeah I know, it's not a toyota.. sorry)
B16A JDM SiR swap.
CTR cams, Mugan tuned computer, Skunk2 intake manifold, TypeR throttlebody, Powercore headers, 2-1/2" exhaust, MSD ignision system, pullies, 6 puck-no spring racing clutch, Lightened flywheel, Y1 tranny, gutted interior... here is the web site...

http://www.geocities.com/cadmando18/...-VTEC-CRX.html

Thought it would be fun to have honda in there;-)

Seth W · 04-21-2006, 06:21 PM

hondas dont count nor does the 1/4 mile

BTW any headway on the 95 chris?

Pentaxis · 04-21-2006, 06:43 PM

I had a CRX that was build EXACTLY the same, but with a centerforce clutch, and a DC Type R Header, Tuned with ghettodyne. sucker ripped.

BTW, you forgot one car Chris. I'll stick with your numbers just to keep everything even, but MR2's usually sit at about 18-20% drivetrain loss as opposed to 30%:

Paul's MR2:
2780lb
500 HP @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 350 HP at the wheels
470 FT/LB @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 308 T at the wheels
Power to Weight Ratio: 350 / 2780 = 0.1259 (or 7.94:1)
Torque to Weight Ratio: 308 / 2780 = 0.1108 (or 9.03:1)

Next week should be the beginning of the transformation. Still waiting on 1 company to get their act together with my parts, and then its assembly time!

mr2greasemonkey · 04-21-2006, 09:19 PM

Interesting....................................... .........dreamers, haha.

You forget, most of the cars are not built to 1/4. I see there is no " Zai's dream car" , cause IM BUILDING IT! LOL.

d962r · 04-22-2006, 12:14 AM

Dudes!!!! Big thanks out to Zai!!! He swung by and droped of this way cool panel today with a start button and like 6 switches w/ lights. all wired up with a buss bar on the back and tails that you just tie into. Can't wait to get some time this weekend and try to get that thing wired in.
Ofcourse now I have to truly make a dash panel.
Thanks again Zai.... way cool.

Go Ducks · 04-22-2006, 12:35 AM

The fun continues.....

Went to move the Acura today, and there was smoke coming out the exhaust. Jen said the car was shaking a little bit. Checked the oil and it was ridiculously low. Burning oil is not a good thing...

Fezzak · 04-22-2006, 03:53 AM

Hey guys!

Sorry I haven't stopped by the last couple weeks, crazy busy. Tomorrow should work out all right (hopefully) so I can come see what's going on. I'm in serious need of a new clutch on my car... '91 NA (the red one that came by a few weeks ago, thinking about a swap). I'm going to need to put the new clutch in before I even think about trading or selling this car, so I was hoping to either get a reference to a good mechanic who could do it on relatively short notice, or if it's something that I could fumble my way through on Saturday with the (verbal) assistance of anyone who would be willing, I would be very thankful.

That brings up an interesting question... do they even keep clutches in stock at the dealership? Hmm... I'll check back here tomorrow before I head over there to see what's going on, I'm trying to drive the car as little as possible at the moment as the clutch is starting to slip more and more easily no matter how easy I go on the gas. Thanks in advance! =)

mr2greasemonkey · 04-22-2006, 04:20 AM

Hey, good to see yr still around. If you want an Aisin clutch you can try Discout Import Parts, their number is on the first post/page of this thread. Shop has pretty much cleared out, whoopy! Just my car, Paul's, and now Lengs. Have a little more customer work to do in the morning, then back to Lengs swap and maybe more work on mine. Yr welcome Vince, just figured you'd put so much work into yr car it could use some serious BLING, haha. Next project up will be Seth W's swap, while we wait for Pauls engine.

melokiok · 04-22-2006, 07:53 AM

HEY ZAIII!!!!!
Its 4:30 AM I've had way too many energy drinks today... I got my taxes back couple of days ago (CASH MONEY)

Anyway, I'm wondering if I can bring my two up to you and have you recommend some service and some prices...if you want to make some money...I acutlaly have the money now, so I can actually pay you now ..

I miss driving my two so much. I love my little 22re, but man its just missing something... OH YEAH...horsepower...

the bench seat is nice though

Its not holding a charge but the voltage is high when its running so I have a feeling its the battery...my friend joey has me hyped up on the redtop optima, but none of the battery recommenders list it as an option for my car...is there a good reason I shouldn't buy the redtop gel battery for my car? Let me know, as soon as I get the battery in my car, i'm driving out to drop it off with you

that is of course, assuming you want to work on my car...honestly theres like, one mechanic I trust, his name starts with a Z and ends with an AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

that and you're just straight up the coolest guy on the planet. *hopes chuck norris isn't reading this post*
man, energy drinks are bad stuffs....
ZAI! I will call you on Monday...or maybe tommorrow on lunch break from work.
I'm working weekends only now, school on weekday afternoons/nights
oh yeah, just so you guys know.....
chemistry sucks

melokiok · 04-22-2006, 07:53 AM

ok holy **** that was way too many smiley faces...

d962r · 04-22-2006, 10:10 AM

maybe you chould check the chemisty on them energy drinks you had... ( main active ingreadiant: Crank (ephedrin)) lol

melokiok · 04-22-2006, 02:18 PM

Your Porsche has wheels!

I think I met you a couple times....if my memory serves me correctly..thats a Porsche in those photos right? I'm Findlay, black 4agze scottish looking, freckles and glasses (sometimes)...can't remembe ryour name tho...

melokiok · 04-22-2006, 02:19 PM

WAIT a minute...mr2greasemonkey=Zai? That two in the photo looks familiar....

d962r · 04-22-2006, 07:49 PM

wow... he catches on fast... heheehhe
yeah we have met down at the shop.... you have the motor I want to build in your car....
I need to find a running GZE motor and start working on it.

mk1matt · 04-23-2006, 07:42 PM

hey everyone.... Im havin probs with the ignition (no spark), and throwing code 6 (no signal from ng/g plug, or igniter). So what I need to know is if anyone has an igniter for sale (87 na) or could this be something else wrong? I have replaced the coil, cap and rotor, and plugs (burnt plugs, and cap). and will an 88 aw11 or 2nd gen carolla igniter work?

04-22-2006, 07:53 AM	#614 (permalink)
melokiok 4AGZE FOR THE WIN!! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wilsonville Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	ZAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!! HEY ZAIII!!!!! Its 4:30 AM I've had way too many energy drinks today... I got my taxes back couple of days ago (CASH MONEY) Anyway, I'm wondering if I can bring my two up to you and have you recommend some service and some prices...if you want to make some money...I acutlaly have the money now, so I can actually pay you now .. I miss driving my two so much. I love my little 22re, but man its just missing something... OH YEAH...horsepower... the bench seat is nice though Its not holding a charge but the voltage is high when its running so I have a feeling its the battery...my friend joey has me hyped up on the redtop optima, but none of the battery recommenders list it as an option for my car...is there a good reason I shouldn't buy the redtop gel battery for my car? Let me know, as soon as I get the battery in my car, i'm driving out to drop it off with you that is of course, assuming you want to work on my car...honestly theres like, one mechanic I trust, his name starts with a Z and ends with an AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII that and you're just straight up the coolest guy on the planet. hopes chuck norris isn't reading this post man, energy drinks are bad stuffs.... ZAI! I will call you on Monday...or maybe tommorrow on lunch break from work. I'm working weekends only now, school on weekday afternoons/nights oh yeah, just so you guys know..... chemistry sucks

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04-20-2006, 11:27 PM	#601 (permalink)
d962r yeah I race Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clackamas Oregon Posts: 627 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Hey Zai... you think I can keep up with Chris' car? I have a feeling he would pull me in the 1/4 a 'lil bit.

04-21-2006, 05:24 AM	#602 (permalink)
SE-RMR2 The Killer of All Cars Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Boring, Or Posts: 1,226 Thanks: 13 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	keep up with it??? i think your car is faster...

04-21-2006, 09:10 AM	#603 (permalink)
d962r yeah I race Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clackamas Oregon Posts: 627 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	no... Chris' will smoke through 3rd gear. I can't do that unless its wet out.

04-21-2006, 12:20 PM	#605 (permalink)
Crispin Cage Fighter Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 284 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Deleted

04-21-2006, 01:13 PM	#606 (permalink)
cadmando18 No Skills Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	tiptoes in Hey there. I'm one of Chris's friends. Just thought I'd throw my car into the mix, since Chris and I have been talking about a match. 1989 Honda CRX. (yeah I know, it's not a toyota.. sorry) B16A JDM SiR swap. CTR cams, Mugan tuned computer, Skunk2 intake manifold, TypeR throttlebody, Powercore headers, 2-1/2" exhaust, MSD ignision system, pullies, 6 puck-no spring racing clutch, Lightened flywheel, Y1 tranny, gutted interior... here is the web site... http://www.geocities.com/cadmando18/...-VTEC-CRX.html Thought it would be fun to have honda in there;-)

04-21-2006, 06:21 PM	#607 (permalink)
Seth W thats me Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,175 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	hondas dont count nor does the 1/4 mile BTW any headway on the 95 chris?

04-21-2006, 06:43 PM	#608 (permalink)
Pentaxis 400whp or bust Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 206 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I had a CRX that was build EXACTLY the same, but with a centerforce clutch, and a DC Type R Header, Tuned with ghettodyne. sucker ripped. BTW, you forgot one car Chris. I'll stick with your numbers just to keep everything even, but MR2's usually sit at about 18-20% drivetrain loss as opposed to 30%: Paul's MR2: 2780lb 500 HP @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 350 HP at the wheels 470 FT/LB @ Flywheel * 0.70 drivetrain loss = 308 T at the wheels Power to Weight Ratio: 350 / 2780 = 0.1259 (or 7.94:1) Torque to Weight Ratio: 308 / 2780 = 0.1108 (or 9.03:1) Next week should be the beginning of the transformation. Still waiting on 1 company to get their act together with my parts, and then its assembly time!

04-21-2006, 09:19 PM	#609 (permalink)
mr2greasemonkey Once again....yups Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,658 Thanks: 4 Thanked 63 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Interesting....................................... .........dreamers, haha. You forget, most of the cars are not built to 1/4. I see there is no " Zai's dream car" , cause IM BUILDING IT! LOL.

04-22-2006, 12:14 AM	#610 (permalink)
d962r yeah I race Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clackamas Oregon Posts: 627 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Dudes!!!! Big thanks out to Zai!!! He swung by and droped of this way cool panel today with a start button and like 6 switches w/ lights. all wired up with a buss bar on the back and tails that you just tie into. Can't wait to get some time this weekend and try to get that thing wired in. Ofcourse now I have to truly make a dash panel. Thanks again Zai.... way cool.

04-22-2006, 12:35 AM	#611 (permalink)
Go Ducks Cage Fighter Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	The fun continues..... Went to move the Acura today, and there was smoke coming out the exhaust. Jen said the car was shaking a little bit. Checked the oil and it was ridiculously low. Burning oil is not a good thing...

04-22-2006, 03:53 AM	#612 (permalink)
Fezzak No Skills Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver WA Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Hey guys! Sorry I haven't stopped by the last couple weeks, crazy busy. Tomorrow should work out all right (hopefully) so I can come see what's going on. I'm in serious need of a new clutch on my car... '91 NA (the red one that came by a few weeks ago, thinking about a swap). I'm going to need to put the new clutch in before I even think about trading or selling this car, so I was hoping to either get a reference to a good mechanic who could do it on relatively short notice, or if it's something that I could fumble my way through on Saturday with the (verbal) assistance of anyone who would be willing, I would be very thankful. That brings up an interesting question... do they even keep clutches in stock at the dealership? Hmm... I'll check back here tomorrow before I head over there to see what's going on, I'm trying to drive the car as little as possible at the moment as the clutch is starting to slip more and more easily no matter how easy I go on the gas. Thanks in advance! =)

04-22-2006, 04:20 AM	#613 (permalink)
mr2greasemonkey Once again....yups Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,658 Thanks: 4 Thanked 63 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Hey, good to see yr still around. If you want an Aisin clutch you can try Discout Import Parts, their number is on the first post/page of this thread. Shop has pretty much cleared out, whoopy! Just my car, Paul's, and now Lengs. Have a little more customer work to do in the morning, then back to Lengs swap and maybe more work on mine. Yr welcome Vince, just figured you'd put so much work into yr car it could use some serious BLING, haha. Next project up will be Seth W's swap, while we wait for Pauls engine.

04-22-2006, 07:53 AM	#615 (permalink)
melokiok 4AGZE FOR THE WIN!! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wilsonville Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	ok holy **** that was way too many smiley faces...

04-22-2006, 10:10 AM	#616 (permalink)
d962r yeah I race Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clackamas Oregon Posts: 627 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	maybe you chould check the chemisty on them energy drinks you had... ( main active ingreadiant: Crank (ephedrin)) lol

04-22-2006, 02:18 PM	#617 (permalink)
melokiok 4AGZE FOR THE WIN!! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wilsonville Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Your Porsche has wheels! I think I met you a couple times....if my memory serves me correctly..thats a Porsche in those photos right? I'm Findlay, black 4agze scottish looking, freckles and glasses (sometimes)...can't remembe ryour name tho...

04-22-2006, 02:19 PM	#618 (permalink)
melokiok 4AGZE FOR THE WIN!! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wilsonville Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	WAIT a minute...mr2greasemonkey=Zai? That two in the photo looks familiar....

04-22-2006, 07:49 PM	#619 (permalink)
d962r yeah I race Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clackamas Oregon Posts: 627 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	wow... he catches on fast... heheehhe yeah we have met down at the shop.... you have the motor I want to build in your car.... I need to find a running GZE motor and start working on it.

04-23-2006, 07:42 PM	#620 (permalink)
mk1matt mr2 misfortunate Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: clackamas, OR Posts: 172 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	hey everyone.... Im havin probs with the ignition (no spark), and throwing code 6 (no signal from ng/g plug, or igniter). So what I need to know is if anyone has an igniter for sale (87 na) or could this be something else wrong? I have replaced the coil, cap and rotor, and plugs (burnt plugs, and cap). and will an 88 aw11 or 2nd gen carolla igniter work?