3VZFE vs 5VZFE... Debate!!! - Page 4

Weasy2k · 09-15-2007, 05:37 PM

Intake vavles are within .5mm of each other
exhaust valves are all the same

Stroke is 83mm as well as the other v6s (common ones)

Rods to stroke ratio is at an amazing 1.8:1 which is the best amongst all the v6's (1.77 is the 3l's common again)

The 5vz was a built TRD race engine used in the Offroad Racing Tacoma before it was released into production. 400hp and 8000rpm limit......

thwam · 09-16-2007, 10:59 PM

Here's one I haven't seen yet: air conditioning on a 5VZ. A custom mount needs to be made to mount the compressor, but on the 3VZ you just need new lines.

Todd

Dance_Business · 09-17-2007, 12:04 AM

true on the AC. I did miss that this summer. I am looking forward to seeing finished product on all of these. VZ, MZ, LMNOP... I don't care which. I just want to see the whole enchilada up against the store bought monsters ( porsche, mustang, ferrari, etc.).

singleslammer · 09-17-2007, 12:09 AM

I plan on giving a guy I know with a lotus some fun when my 1mz gets installed. He still will own me but I might be able to keep up a little better.

Weasy2k · 09-17-2007, 11:10 PM

Very soon

1mz n/a and 5vz-fe turbo will be done :P turbo first...

then my 5vz n/a camm'd with dual TB will be out as well...

As for the a/c....working on it...

Gimpster · 09-18-2007, 01:18 PM

Theres a place in my town that handles custom hotrod AC lines, I showed them my MR2 & Avalon lines... they said no problem making me something for like $150ish total. If I wasn't going into winter, I'd jump on that ... perphaps I'll make it my winter project. I also need to replace one of the under-car hard lines, when I remvoed the 5S compressor... it had been cross threaded, thus owning it.

I've never tried, but it would be cool if a bracket could be made to somehow mount the 5S compressor to a V6 (whatever iteration you have). Oteck told me he looked at his 3MZ, and it wasn't possible.. but I've never bothered to look at my own setup yet.

That would be sweet so that when you swap, you wouldn't need to uncharge a working system.

conor · 09-18-2007, 01:49 PM

^^^ Yeah, custom lines aren't a big deal at all. I had two new lines made up for my '86 MR2 earlier this Summer.. Dropped off the old lines, came back, gave them $90 and it was allll groovy.

And just use your 1MZ compressor (if you got one). It's newer than the old one off the 5S, and it's designed for use with R134.

Weasy2k · 09-18-2007, 04:41 PM

yea the newer compressors are nicer and he has that hooked up already as well.

thwam · 09-20-2007, 07:32 PM

You're working on a bracket for the 5VZ weasy?! OMG that would kick ass since I really don't want to design one. =)

Weasy2k · 09-21-2007, 12:57 AM

im going to be putting it in my car so yea looks like i will make something

thwam · 09-23-2007, 10:06 PM

Do you have a timeframe by any chance?

DrWonderEyes · 09-23-2007, 11:13 PM

has anyone tried to use the 3.3 engine that was in the Solara and RX330 for a short while? is it even worth using in a swap?

3MZ-FE

225hp and 240 lbft torque

Weasy2k · 09-24-2007, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thwam

Do you have a timeframe by any chance?

Well the fact that the engine in my tacoma just went, i have to take the 5vz out of the mr2 to go into the tacoma because its my daily D so its a bit more importent...I hope to build up the dead 5vz in the tacoma and put it back into th e mr2 next year. So its gonna be a while.

As for the 3.3 3mz yea oteck has it in his car already and so do a couple others i think

DrWonderEyes · 09-24-2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasy2k

Well the fact that the engine in my tacoma just went, i have to take the 5vz out of the mr2 to go into the tacoma because its my daily D so its a bit more importent...I hope to build up the dead 5vz in the tacoma and put it back into th e mr2 next year. So its gonna be a while.

As for the 3.3 3mz yea oteck has it in his car already and so do a couple others i think

you mean u can't find another 5VZ elsewhere? instead of taking out the one in ur running car? just seems like alot of work to remove an engine from a MR2 period. V6 specially.

Gimpster · 09-24-2007, 10:34 PM

Dropping it outs cake, I could have my swap in/out in half a day.

singleslammer · 09-24-2007, 10:53 PM

With the right tools and the knowledge of how to do (having done it before) dropping an engine isnt that bad. Once I have collected all my parts for my 1mz swap, I am hoping to complete the swap in a weekend. Grant it, that is a lot of prep but I would prefer to not be surprised by anything.

Also Weasy has said how difficult to find and expensive engines and such are up in Canada. Use what you go and replace it later.

ixtlann · 10-02-2007, 01:40 AM

I voted 5vzfe becuz its bigger :P and i found a usa one ( egr = better gas milage!) with wiring intact! seriously thought between its and the 3vzfe its kinda give or take, very similar, and either one should have a turbo or 2 put on it :P just my .02 If i had found the usa 3vzfe wid wiring intact as i had wanted for a cool $600 id have been all over that one also, but dang a 5vzfe for $600 thats just too good of a deal! am i right?

ixtlann · 10-02-2007, 02:26 AM

With all the talk of the 5vzfes lack luster intake manifold, how similar is the 3vzfe unit as far as its ability to be swapped onto the the bigger engine? is the lower intake atleast the same?

Oteck · 10-02-2007, 05:01 PM

some1 has

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrWonderEyes

has anyone tried to use the 3.3 engine that was in the Solara and RX330 for a short while? is it even worth using in a swap?

3MZ-FE

225hp and 240 lbft torque

singleslammer · 10-02-2007, 07:29 PM

Your so funny Oteck

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09-15-2007, 05:37 PM	#61 (permalink)
Weasy2k What is an MR2? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,891 Thanks: 33 Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	Intake vavles are within .5mm of each other exhaust valves are all the same Stroke is 83mm as well as the other v6s (common ones) Rods to stroke ratio is at an amazing 1.8:1 which is the best amongst all the v6's (1.77 is the 3l's common again) The 5vz was a built TRD race engine used in the Offroad Racing Tacoma before it was released into production. 400hp and 8000rpm limit......

09-16-2007, 10:59 PM	#62 (permalink)
thwam Cage Fighter Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 298 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Here's one I haven't seen yet: air conditioning on a 5VZ. A custom mount needs to be made to mount the compressor, but on the 3VZ you just need new lines. Todd

09-17-2007, 12:04 AM	#63 (permalink)
Dance_Business Mad Dance Skills Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 20 minutes to Graceland Posts: 1,011 Thanks: 79 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	true on the AC. I did miss that this summer. I am looking forward to seeing finished product on all of these. VZ, MZ, LMNOP... I don't care which. I just want to see the whole enchilada up against the store bought monsters ( porsche, mustang, ferrari, etc.).

09-17-2007, 12:09 AM	#64 (permalink)
singleslammer Soon to be feeling the v6 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 266 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	I plan on giving a guy I know with a lotus some fun when my 1mz gets installed. He still will own me but I might be able to keep up a little better.

09-17-2007, 11:10 PM	#65 (permalink)
Weasy2k What is an MR2? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,891 Thanks: 33 Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	Very soon 1mz n/a and 5vz-fe turbo will be done :P turbo first... then my 5vz n/a camm'd with dual TB will be out as well... As for the a/c....working on it...

09-18-2007, 01:18 PM	#66 (permalink)
Gimpster Cage Fighter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 674 Thanks: 5 Thanked 47 Times in 44 Posts Blog Entries: 2 iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Theres a place in my town that handles custom hotrod AC lines, I showed them my MR2 & Avalon lines... they said no problem making me something for like $150ish total. If I wasn't going into winter, I'd jump on that ... perphaps I'll make it my winter project. I also need to replace one of the under-car hard lines, when I remvoed the 5S compressor... it had been cross threaded, thus owning it. I've never tried, but it would be cool if a bracket could be made to somehow mount the 5S compressor to a V6 (whatever iteration you have). Oteck told me he looked at his 3MZ, and it wasn't possible.. but I've never bothered to look at my own setup yet. That would be sweet so that when you swap, you wouldn't need to uncharge a working system.

09-18-2007, 01:49 PM	#67 (permalink)
conor Lord Anti-Rice Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Roseville, CA Posts: 987 Thanks: 22 Thanked 32 Times in 28 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	^^^ Yeah, custom lines aren't a big deal at all. I had two new lines made up for my '86 MR2 earlier this Summer.. Dropped off the old lines, came back, gave them $90 and it was allll groovy. And just use your 1MZ compressor (if you got one). It's newer than the old one off the 5S, and it's designed for use with R134.

09-18-2007, 04:41 PM	#68 (permalink)
Weasy2k What is an MR2? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,891 Thanks: 33 Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	yea the newer compressors are nicer and he has that hooked up already as well.

09-20-2007, 07:32 PM	#69 (permalink)
thwam Cage Fighter Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 298 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	You're working on a bracket for the 5VZ weasy?! OMG that would kick ass since I really don't want to design one. =)

09-21-2007, 12:57 AM	#70 (permalink)
Weasy2k What is an MR2? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,891 Thanks: 33 Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	im going to be putting it in my car so yea looks like i will make something

09-23-2007, 10:06 PM	#71 (permalink)
thwam Cage Fighter Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 298 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Do you have a timeframe by any chance?

09-23-2007, 11:13 PM	#72 (permalink)
DrWonderEyes MR2 + 400hp = Fun Join Date: May 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 780 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	has anyone tried to use the 3.3 engine that was in the Solara and RX330 for a short while? is it even worth using in a swap? 3MZ-FE 225hp and 240 lbft torque

09-24-2007, 10:34 PM	#75 (permalink)
Gimpster Cage Fighter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 674 Thanks: 5 Thanked 47 Times in 44 Posts Blog Entries: 2 iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Dropping it outs cake, I could have my swap in/out in half a day.

09-24-2007, 10:53 PM	#76 (permalink)
singleslammer Soon to be feeling the v6 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 266 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	With the right tools and the knowledge of how to do (having done it before) dropping an engine isnt that bad. Once I have collected all my parts for my 1mz swap, I am hoping to complete the swap in a weekend. Grant it, that is a lot of prep but I would prefer to not be surprised by anything. Also Weasy has said how difficult to find and expensive engines and such are up in Canada. Use what you go and replace it later.

10-02-2007, 01:40 AM	#77 (permalink)
ixtlann mr2V06 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: columbus ohio Posts: 599 Thanks: 9 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I voted 5vzfe becuz its bigger :P and i found a usa one ( egr = better gas milage!) with wiring intact! seriously thought between its and the 3vzfe its kinda give or take, very similar, and either one should have a turbo or 2 put on it :P just my .02 If i had found the usa 3vzfe wid wiring intact as i had wanted for a cool $600 id have been all over that one also, but dang a 5vzfe for $600 thats just too good of a deal! am i right?

10-02-2007, 02:26 AM	#78 (permalink)
ixtlann mr2V06 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: columbus ohio Posts: 599 Thanks: 9 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	With all the talk of the 5vzfes lack luster intake manifold, how similar is the 3vzfe unit as far as its ability to be swapped onto the the bigger engine? is the lower intake atleast the same?

10-02-2007, 07:29 PM	#80 (permalink)
singleslammer Soon to be feeling the v6 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 266 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Your so funny Oteck