V6 Starter

Oteck · 10-10-2009, 05:26 PM

It does not fit

the battery terminal hits the shifter support bracket and the signal to the starter will hit the lever preventing you from shifting to 1st and 2nd. This was done on a e153 but not sure if it will work on the s54

V6'er · 10-11-2009, 07:28 PM

Really? This is news to you? With all you know about V6's, I thought you knew this tidbit years ago!

Oteck · 10-11-2009, 07:32 PM

well i do know about it but never got around to confirming it. luckly i didn't pay for it lol.

V6'er · 10-11-2009, 07:36 PM

I've been sitting on a real nice 1MZ starter for five years.

Anybody need a starter for their Camry or Avalon or Sienna?

xr4man · 10-11-2009, 09:57 PM

so this means you should use the mr2 starter?

V6'er · 10-12-2009, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xr4man

so this means you should use the mr2 starter?

This ain't reading between the lines here. You can NOT use the FWD starters. You MUST use an MR2 (or similar, if there even is one) starter. You can use a Turbo starter, but the N/A starter has more power. There are lots of folks using the Turbo starter, so don't everybody jump all over me for knocking it. But, "technically", the N/A starter is better.

xr4man · 10-12-2009, 09:43 PM

great, that's good stuff to know. in my quest for knowledge before i get started on anything, i would not have given the starter a second thought until it was too late.

Oteck · 10-12-2009, 10:19 PM

this been bugging me but is there really a difference between the n/a and turbo?

JimKing · 10-13-2009, 02:23 AM

28100-74050 is listed as 1.4kw power for the 3sgte
28100-74070 is listed as 1.4kw power for the 5sfe

however,

28100-74050 is listed as 1.6kw power for the 5sfe

Not sure if there is an error in the EPC or there are two different 74050 starters... BTW, The 3vz and 97-01 1MZ both only have 1.4kw starters.
[edit] There are different armature & clutch parts listed for the 5sfe starter - normal and "cold spec". I would guess the "cold spec" is the 1.6kw variant of the 74050. So technically, only some NA starters may be better than turbo starters.

DaveMush · 10-13-2009, 04:23 PM

i do believe that all or the toyota remanufatured mr2 starters are 1.6Kw

Jason.MZW20 · 10-13-2009, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimKing

28100-74050 is listed as 1.4kw power for the 3sgte
28100-74070 is listed as 1.4kw power for the 5sfe

however,

28100-74050 is listed as 1.6kw power for the 5sfe

Not sure if there is an error in the EPC or there are two different 74050 starters... BTW, The 3vz and 97-01 1MZ both only have 1.4kw starters.
[edit] There are different armature & clutch parts listed for the 5sfe starter - normal and "cold spec". I would guess the "cold spec" is the 1.6kw variant of the 74050. So technically, only some NA starters may be better than turbo starters.

There is a difference. I have both the 1.4 and 1.6, and the 1.6 is much larger. My dad's N/A came with the cold start package, but mine didn't. If you go to NAPA, they'll list it as the A/T (for N/As) starter.

conor · 10-13-2009, 06:26 PM

Perhaps I should go get me a 1.6kw starter.. or at least find out if mine is the 1.4..

JimKing · 10-13-2009, 06:54 PM

I wouldn't sweat it...

Quote:

BTW, The 3vz and 97-01 1MZ both only have 1.4kw starters.

V6'er · 10-13-2009, 09:20 PM

And what did I say five posts ago???

See? They just can't leave it alone.

JimKing · 10-13-2009, 11:24 PM

Jason says the 1.6kw starter is "much larger". So hey, if you want to go faster, you better swap out that heavy cold package starter for a lighter 1.4kw one!

RandomHero · 10-14-2009, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oteck

It does not fit

the battery terminal hits the shifter support bracket and the signal to the starter will hit the lever preventing you from shifting to 1st and 2nd. This was done on a e153 but not sure if it will work on the s54

im fairly sure the 3vz starter works on my s54/3vz combo.

i took one from the junkyard (es300) when i thought mine crapped out, and it worked fine.

unless im in the wrong conversation.

AndyA · 10-15-2009, 10:09 PM

I'm using the v6 starter on a '97 1mz/s54 combo. It was cleaner, newer and fit no problem.

Jason.MZW20 · 10-15-2009, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimKing

Jason says the 1.6kw starter is "much larger". So hey, if you want to go faster, you better swap out that heavy cold package starter for a lighter 1.4kw one!

I've never seen a 3SGTE starter, but between the two 5SFE starters, the 1.6kw has a longer yoke casing and is heavier.

10-10-2009, 05:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
Oteck Eye'm the Str⑨ngest Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Burnaby B.C. Posts: 4,946 Thanks: 11 Thanked 172 Times in 157 Posts Blog Entries: 3 iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	V6 Starter It does not fit the battery terminal hits the shifter support bracket and the signal to the starter will hit the lever preventing you from shifting to 1st and 2nd. This was done on a e153 but not sure if it will work on the s54

10-13-2009, 02:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
JimKing Driving MR2s since '89 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Santa Babylon Posts: 405 Thanks: 8 Thanked 30 Times in 29 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	28100-74050 is listed as 1.4kw power for the 3sgte 28100-74070 is listed as 1.4kw power for the 5sfe however, 28100-74050 is listed as 1.6kw power for the 5sfe Not sure if there is an error in the EPC or there are two different 74050 starters... BTW, The 3vz and 97-01 1MZ both only have 1.4kw starters. [edit] There are different armature & clutch parts listed for the 5sfe starter - normal and "cold spec". I would guess the "cold spec" is the 1.6kw variant of the 74050. So technically, only some NA starters may be better than turbo starters. Last edited by JimKing; 10-13-2009 at 02:43 AM..

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10-11-2009, 07:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
V6'er All Torque, All the Time Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 899 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 19 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Really? This is news to you? With all you know about V6's, I thought you knew this tidbit years ago!

10-11-2009, 07:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
Oteck Eye'm the Str⑨ngest Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Burnaby B.C. Posts: 4,946 Thanks: 11 Thanked 172 Times in 157 Posts Blog Entries: 3 iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	well i do know about it but never got around to confirming it. luckly i didn't pay for it lol.

10-11-2009, 07:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
V6'er All Torque, All the Time Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 899 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 19 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	I've been sitting on a real nice 1MZ starter for five years. Anybody need a starter for their Camry or Avalon or Sienna?

10-11-2009, 09:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
xr4man No Skills Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: westminster, md Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	so this means you should use the mr2 starter?

10-12-2009, 09:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
xr4man No Skills Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: westminster, md Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	great, that's good stuff to know. in my quest for knowledge before i get started on anything, i would not have given the starter a second thought until it was too late.

10-12-2009, 10:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Oteck Eye'm the Str⑨ngest Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Burnaby B.C. Posts: 4,946 Thanks: 11 Thanked 172 Times in 157 Posts Blog Entries: 3 iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	this been bugging me but is there really a difference between the n/a and turbo?

10-13-2009, 04:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
DaveMush Mr2 V6 #8 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Syracuse, Ny Posts: 413 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 11 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	i do believe that all or the toyota remanufatured mr2 starters are 1.6Kw

10-13-2009, 06:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
conor Lord Anti-Rice Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Roseville, CA Posts: 987 Thanks: 22 Thanked 32 Times in 28 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Perhaps I should go get me a 1.6kw starter.. or at least find out if mine is the 1.4..

10-13-2009, 09:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
V6'er All Torque, All the Time Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 899 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 19 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	And what did I say five posts ago??? See? They just can't leave it alone.

10-13-2009, 11:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
JimKing Driving MR2s since '89 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Santa Babylon Posts: 405 Thanks: 8 Thanked 30 Times in 29 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Jason says the 1.6kw starter is "much larger". So hey, if you want to go faster, you better swap out that heavy cold package starter for a lighter 1.4kw one!

10-15-2009, 10:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
AndyA No Skills Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I'm using the v6 starter on a '97 1mz/s54 combo. It was cleaner, newer and fit no problem.