2ZZ are epic, but what about 1ZZ?

whore of babylon · 03-14-2010, 08:24 PM

I have been thinking, 2ZZ's are great for AW11's and Spyders but what about picking up a cheap 1ZZ and dropping it into the AW11? Would it be a cheap stepping stone to a 2ZZ?

mr220v · 03-17-2010, 02:01 PM

A 1zz wouldn't be bad in a mk1. You can't just slap a 2zz head on a 1zz though.

whore of babylon · 03-17-2010, 05:48 PM

yeh i was thinking get a cheap 1zz working, then when one comes up i could swap over to a 2zz with little hassle.

87whiteMR2 · 03-17-2010, 07:05 PM

1zz are cool engines, they can handle boost very well. but its only 140hp out of a 1.8l. sure it has boost potential, but for the amount of money to buy and swap a 1zz why no just get a 20v 4age with 160hp out of a 1.6l. it would be cheaper swap and more hp from the get go. the 2zz has 180hp so it would be worth looking into but it gets expensive. 2zz's are great i have one in my 05 corolla xrs. But i also have a 20v waiting to be swaped into my mr2

good luck hope that helps

canadam · 03-17-2010, 07:28 PM

I think the 1ZZ would be a great fit for the MKI. They're a dime a dozen and it's a nice technology/weight upgrade over the 4AGE.

I also like the 2ZZ, but to call it "epic" is pretty overstated.

whore of babylon · 03-17-2010, 09:46 PM

ahh yes, i probably should clarify. when i/if i get a 2ZZ ill be buying the S/C kit for it too, so when i say epic i have 240HP in my head

And i think its a wonderful little engine, not to big not to small ect.

This show how little homework i have done, i had no idea the 20V had more HP.

Thanks guys

DylanM · 03-21-2010, 06:43 AM

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but if you stick with the same engine series as in zz series or 3s/5s series, a 2zz could essentially bolt in place where the 1zz was originally customized to fit, and a 3sgte could replace a 5s or 3sge. It would be a good stepping stone for a future swap but if you know you want power do it once and save money spent on an engine you plan to replace. just my

Archidamus-R · 03-21-2010, 11:49 AM

ZZ engines are all-aluminum, which saves about 60 pounds over the iron-block 4A. Plus, the 1ZZ has more torque than the 4A, even the 20v version.

mr220v · 03-21-2010, 01:38 PM

The best idea if you're looking to go FI anyway would be to simply boost the 1zz. You can probably come close to making your goal with that.

That or look into an AZ or S series engine.

whore of babylon · 03-21-2010, 08:58 PM

Yeh? thanks guys, some good points there. 1ZZ would deffinatly be a good swap for the cost..... im no mechanic by trade so im not sure if i can get a SC12/14 working on a 1ZZ :P This is only a thinking exercise till i find a spyder or celica halfcut for a decent price.

dustman_7 · 03-24-2010, 10:19 PM

The only problem is that your putting a engine in that has less than 20 more HP. If you want a newer engine that will be reliable then go ahead otherwise it wouldnt be worth the extra work/money. IMO
Go with a 2az with a s-trans? It would be more logical and not cost much plus you would have a real gain in torque.

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whore of babylon · 03-25-2010, 01:10 AM

2AZ bolt in? the 1ZZ bolts in cept for one mount.

dustman_7 · 03-25-2010, 12:13 PM

No it wont bolt in you would have to install eather a s series or a E series trans out of a MK2 so mounts would be in order. I just dont see it being a worth while swap. A 20v will put out more or a SC would the only advantage is running regular gas.

whore of babylon · 03-25-2010, 08:55 PM

Yeh if i was savy enough with a welder idd be planning a 3SGTE swap, but im not. so the pan is either 20V or 1ZZ. leaning over towards 20V cause its easy.

03-14-2010, 08:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
whore of babylon Part time mechanic. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tasmania Posts: 151 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	2ZZ are epic, but what about 1ZZ? I have been thinking, 2ZZ's are great for AW11's and Spyders but what about picking up a cheap 1ZZ and dropping it into the AW11? Would it be a cheap stepping stone to a 2ZZ?

03-17-2010, 07:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
canadam MidshipExpress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Posts: 10,399 Thanks: 120 Thanked 142 Times in 121 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (34/100% )	I think the 1ZZ would be a great fit for the MKI. They're a dime a dozen and it's a nice technology/weight upgrade over the 4AGE. I also like the 2ZZ, but to call it "epic" is pretty overstated. __________________

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03-17-2010, 02:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	A 1zz wouldn't be bad in a mk1. You can't just slap a 2zz head on a 1zz though.

03-17-2010, 05:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
whore of babylon Part time mechanic. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tasmania Posts: 151 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	yeh i was thinking get a cheap 1zz working, then when one comes up i could swap over to a 2zz with little hassle.

03-17-2010, 07:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
87whiteMR2 No Skills Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	1zz are cool engines, they can handle boost very well. but its only 140hp out of a 1.8l. sure it has boost potential, but for the amount of money to buy and swap a 1zz why no just get a 20v 4age with 160hp out of a 1.6l. it would be cheaper swap and more hp from the get go. the 2zz has 180hp so it would be worth looking into but it gets expensive. 2zz's are great i have one in my 05 corolla xrs. But i also have a 20v waiting to be swaped into my mr2 good luck hope that helps

03-17-2010, 09:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
whore of babylon Part time mechanic. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tasmania Posts: 151 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	ahh yes, i probably should clarify. when i/if i get a 2ZZ ill be buying the S/C kit for it too, so when i say epic i have 240HP in my head And i think its a wonderful little engine, not to big not to small ect. This show how little homework i have done, i had no idea the 20V had more HP. Thanks guys

03-21-2010, 06:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
DylanM mk2 supra guy Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Someone correct me if I'm wrong but if you stick with the same engine series as in zz series or 3s/5s series, a 2zz could essentially bolt in place where the 1zz was originally customized to fit, and a 3sgte could replace a 5s or 3sge. It would be a good stepping stone for a future swap but if you know you want power do it once and save money spent on an engine you plan to replace. just my

03-21-2010, 11:49 AM	#8 (permalink)
Archidamus-R Make it so. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SW-MO Posts: 660 Thanks: 17 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	ZZ engines are all-aluminum, which saves about 60 pounds over the iron-block 4A. Plus, the 1ZZ has more torque than the 4A, even the 20v version.

03-21-2010, 01:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	The best idea if you're looking to go FI anyway would be to simply boost the 1zz. You can probably come close to making your goal with that. That or look into an AZ or S series engine.

03-21-2010, 08:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
whore of babylon Part time mechanic. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tasmania Posts: 151 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Yeh? thanks guys, some good points there. 1ZZ would deffinatly be a good swap for the cost..... im no mechanic by trade so im not sure if i can get a SC12/14 working on a 1ZZ :P This is only a thinking exercise till i find a spyder or celica halfcut for a decent price.

03-24-2010, 10:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
dustman_7 No Skills Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: WB, WI Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	The only problem is that your putting a engine in that has less than 20 more HP. If you want a newer engine that will be reliable then go ahead otherwise it wouldnt be worth the extra work/money. IMO Go with a 2az with a s-trans? It would be more logical and not cost much plus you would have a real gain in torque. MR2 Owners Club Message Board&#8482

03-25-2010, 01:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
whore of babylon Part time mechanic. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tasmania Posts: 151 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	2AZ bolt in? the 1ZZ bolts in cept for one mount.

03-25-2010, 12:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
dustman_7 No Skills Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: WB, WI Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	No it wont bolt in you would have to install eather a s series or a E series trans out of a MK2 so mounts would be in order. I just dont see it being a worth while swap. A 20v will put out more or a SC would the only advantage is running regular gas.

03-25-2010, 08:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
whore of babylon Part time mechanic. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tasmania Posts: 151 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Yeh if i was savy enough with a welder idd be planning a 3SGTE swap, but im not. so the pan is either 20V or 1ZZ. leaning over towards 20V cause its easy.